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Maybe backpack full of tarp, tape to restrain and bundle her for transport out. I still think they should drain the massive tanks in the backyard...
 
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I’ve seen the still pictures, but where is the video seeing the perp pick the flowers?
I do not believe NG opened her door to this scary monster. IMO
Hope you are safe Nancy!
 
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No way he could shoot a gun with those gloves on.
 
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It could me a murder or kidnapping for hire. Someone else could have carried out the plan
I thought this, too, after seeing the new pictures released. Pray they catch whoever did this.
 
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Definitely layers. Makes me think of ICE agents.
Perhaps that is the purpose? Perhaps that is what they were aiming for: this is now such a trope, that we won't stick out as much as we would in the past? "Oh, just some CBP personnel driving up late at night, headed home for a much needed break"? Something like that?
 
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he could have crushed the camera with the butt of his gun, but had already stared at it, so idk why he held those flowers up, it's almost like it was a message of some sort.
 
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Would seem to indicate he wasn’t initially aware of the camera.
SBM

Yes, that is what I thought immediately, so were the tools in his hand initially to jimmy the front door open and then he saw the camera? And for other purposes if he did run into cameras, etc. on the property.
 
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Face looks strange. Very feminine. (But I think it is a male.) I don't think those are real eyebrows. My first thought was glasses frames, but I would think there would be a glare, plus too...obvious. I think maybe another mask underneath or eyebrows painted on. Maybe they learned from BK that eyebrows can help identify, who knows. They don't look real, especially not for a male. And yes, I know some men groom, but these look almost makeup. I think the mustache is fake too. My guess is they may have been wearing a crude disguise, even under the mask.

I think it seems professional. Not SIL. Not a random contractor who came back. Not a robbery. Not a home invasion in the typical sense.

Hard to say if NG opened the door or if he broke in. Did we ever learn anything about a forced entry? Nancy Grace mentioned in one of her early shows that something about the blood seemed to suggest Nancy was upright when she left the house, that the way it fell suggested a possible nosebleed. (No link, just memory, but she was only speculating out loud anyway.)

The pictures are terrifying. It's encouraging that SG came right and said they believe that Nancy is alive.

FBI director already scheduled to be in town is nice coincidence in timing. I imagine he may stick around for a bit.
 
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No way it should take this long to get this from the front door cam. #$%! Is this the fault of the door cam company?

I think computer forensics experts have been working to recover these files as stated below.

Over the last eight days, the FBI and Pima County Sheriff's Department have been working closely with our private sector partners to continue to recover any images or video footage from Nancy Guthrie's home that may have been lost, corrupted or inaccessible due to a variety of factors — including the removal of recording devices," Patel wrote on X.
 
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Head down all the way. he knew there was a camera. I was doubtful at first as it seemed he looked for one in the first video. Nope he knew.
So many houses have them these days, he would have expected a camera, or at least prepared for one IMO
 
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I just can't get over the fact that the day before Nancy was taken, 2 hours away in Scottsdale, two teens with supplies, disguises, and tools committed a home invasion demanding 66 million in crypto. And were instructed and paid to do so by anonymous masterminds(allegedly). Then the next day some guy/girl shows up at a home in another Arizona city, also with supplies and a disuise, also at night, kidnaps Nancy, and ransom notes demand 6 million in crypto.

Coincidences and oddities happen sometimes, but I can't get over that.
 
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If it was pitch dark and no one could've seen him, how did he see the camera?

JMO.
???

He knew neighbors and cars couldn't see him.

Sorry, I didn't realize mentioning he had the cover of darkness was such a controversy.

p.s. flashlight
 
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he could have crushed the camera with the butt of his gun, but had already stared at it, so idk why he held those flowers up, it's almost like it was a message of some sort.
I got that also I just read dear debbie,maybe she won garden of the year and someone jealous?
 
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It looked to me like he was looking for the step so he didn’t trip it over it. That’s why the flashlight is briefly switched on. Remember this would have been in the pitch black.
There was a full or close to a full moon that night. Moon provides tons of light in Tucson and one doesn't need to turn on lights to walk outside. Interesting why they used the flashlight - a step, better see how to get the nest cam off the door or . . .
 
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