AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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I know AI reconstructions and enhancements aren't allowed here. Let me give two examples of the limitations of AI.

1) People tried to use AI to figure out what the Border Patrol guy who shot Renee Good looked like under his mask. But in my opinion, the guy it turned out to be (Jonathan Ross) looked nothing like the extrapolations.

2) In a search for a missing hiker, someone used ChatGPT to "enhance" photos from a drone search. The missing hiker had a dark red shirt and a blue backpack, but in the particular search in question, that wasn't mentioned in the prompts. The person who used ChatGPT excitedly reported to a Facebook group we were in that they'd found a blue and red rectangular shape. But when we older folks looked at the drone photo, we couldn't see that. Was it just our old eyes? It turned out that nothing was there. ChatGPT had hallucinated the shape, possibly based on group member's other queries (or even on queries by other people).

This second example is more concerning. It illustrates that AI can sometimes show what people want or expect to see. As can our eyes and brains. So caution is needed.
 
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Me too. This is all very strange and not in a good way, tbh. And I say that as a true-crime follower.

jmo
Exactly. As much as nosy true-crime fans tend to complain when there's no info, it's usually because keeping that info private is necessary. I keep thinking -- God forbid the perp realizes it's over and decides to take Nancy down with him.
 
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John Miller CNN:

Number of opportunities here:

The items in the video may have been thrown away and could be recovered (backpack, gloves, mask, etc). Someone may see an item and remember seeing it in an unusual spot.

Were they discarded together? Were they purchased together as part of a "mission kit."
 
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Would an Army only helicopter ever be involved in the search like this?
U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopters assisted in the searches for Kyron Horman in Portland, Oregon as they have advanced infrared thermal camera technology onboard.
 
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Investigators keep going back to AGs house i would think bc that is the last known place she was alive.
 
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I wonder if they’re publicizing the SWAT and hostage teams to see if the suspect makes moves, reportedly is local. MOO
They made a clear and conscious decision for the SWAT and hostage team information to be publicized. Maybe somehow drawing out the suspect or suspects? MO
 
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Would be wild if NG was being held right in the neighborhood. But it always did seem like a local crime. JMO.
That happens a lot with abducted kids. And kidnapper participates in searches.
 
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I wonder if AG has a live in nanny/housekeeper/au pair. Perhaps with a criminal element boyfriend. It would explain a search of their home and law enforcement activity near her house.
 
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What I don't understand is that even without a subscription to the Nest camera the FBI was able to work with a tech company to unearth the video of the suspect at her door at 2 am. If they could do that why can't they unearth a video of when she was dropped off at her home around 9:45 pm Jan 31st.

Edited to change the name of camera to Nest
 
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This didn't come through with a headline, but it's a good overview of what was likely involved in recovering the Nest doorbell video. It does not include inside technical details, but the explanation matches what I would expect, based on my experience having worked on very similar systems. Worth a read for anyone curious. (No satellites involved...)
 
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Occams razor tells us its to block the

There would be evidence of the murder in the house. I don't think LE has said anything to point to that.

I think the backpack has a change of clothes, rope, possibly foot covers as fibers from a car, home, etc would be picked up in the house.
And perhaps NG phone, apple watch, leftover dinner food, change of clothes, snacks. I want to see the proof that NG made it home on 1/31/26.
 
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Anyone else think that gun looked like it had a knob at the end, like a Roth or Japanese Nimbu? That would be an unusual gun.

Very hard to tell from the footage. I originally thought the black grip was a late gen poly semi auto but I'm not even sure anymore. The holster profiles more for a revolver and looks mis-matched, though plenty of wheel guns have a knob like profile grip. Doesn't necessarily narrow it down to anything rare. There is always the possibility it's a dummy gun or something weird like a pistol gripped knife or taser. We just can't tell from these captures.
 
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Me too. This is all very strange and not in a good way, tbh. And I say that as a true-crime follower.

jmo
It is a real issue. Sad example: Munich Olympics 1972 hostage crisis, that’s where live news coverage gave the criminals real time information as to where officers were located.
 
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Hmmmm…where is AB during all this breaking news? 🤔
 
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YES, there may be more than one person, we only see the one. And I heard someone say it could be a woman, but they clearly have a mustache, and are large. Looks like man to me. Why did it take so long to post this video?? Seems like someone could absolutely ID this person from eyes, mouth, and clothing. I do not believe this is a woman?
 
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Would be wild if NG was being held right in the neighborhood. But it always did seem like a local crime. JMO.
It would not surprise me if she is found within a mile of her home. moo
 
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Would you pay ransom without "proof of life"?
 
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What I don't understand is that even without a subscription to the ring camera the FBI was able to work with a tech company to unearth the video of the suspect at her door at 2 am. If they could do that why can't they unearth a video of when she was dropped off at her home around 9:45 pm Jan 31st.
We have no way of knowing 1) what other videos they may still be working on restoring (we've seen that it took days to recover the clips we have seen, so it's not trivial), and 2) what videos may have been given to the FBI but not yet released. And if they do have a video of her being dropped off by family as the family said, would that warrant release to the public anyway?
 

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