AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[warp3dwing]

So, this just kind of thinking out loud, theorizing, and asking questions — no verified info at all, truly my opinion only. So you can freely skip this entire post if that's not of interest to you and you will miss nothing of value.

Also, I assume authorities are already doing this stuff, so I'm not trying to suggest that I'm coming up with novel ideas here; just thinking out loud and trying to learn......

On the cell phone topic, I know some things about how the cell network works, but I'm far from an expert in it. And a lot of my knowledge is probably out of date.

I'm curious if anyone here knows roughly how many active cellular devices might be in range of a tower in a neighborhood like NG's? I'm thinking probably somewhere between high hundreds and mid thousands? Quite a few, but not 100K or anything. Of course if you pulled in more towers, you'd end up with some more, but you also might be able to narrow it down by only considering devices that were talking to multiple towers such that they are more likely to be in the area of interest.

So, how big of a list do you think you'd have if you wanted to look at every single cellular device seen in the area in, say, a four hour period? You could probably quickly eliminate a bunch as known residents of the area (not saying clear those people of suspicion, but the presence of their devices here isn't notable). With cooperation from the carriers, and a team of workers, I'd think you could get through the list relatively quickly, and at least categorize into three or four buckets of relevance (ranging from "this is clearly not interesting" to "we must look into this one immediately").

Of course, it's entirely possible that, like Bryan Kohberger, the person or persons turned their devices off before entering the area. Or (less likely IMO, but possible) that they simply did not carry any devices with them. But at some point they would have to turn the device back on/reunite with it. So I guess at that point you'd have to expand the radius, which would exponentially increase the number of devices to consider. Maybe not practical. Also, very possible they used burner phones, but even that would be worthwhile to identify.

Anyway just wondering if anyone here is more deeply familiar with the cellular network and how you might approach this. (Not really interested in AI summaries and the like; I can generate those myself..)

I've found opencellid.com to be quite useful for checking out the positioning and range of nearby towers.

As far as your other questions, I have no idea, sorry. But I like your line of thinking.

 

[Razz]

Neoprene gloves are pretty grippy on their own. The juices from a soft plant would only make it more slippery.

Another way to link the discarded glove to the lantana.

 

[m00c0w]

Does that make it any better that they were tracking him and it looks like it wasn't him at all?

How do you want law enforcement to solve crimes if they’re not allowed to investigate? Wasn’t the line being said earlier today, “Shouldn’t they investigate first???” Now that it turns out that they did, there’s outrage for having investigated him beforehand and it wasn’t actually all based on random eye comparisons? lol

 

[Auntie Cipation]

His glove on the right hand was enormous, looked like a boxing glove. What else was he going to use to gain a better grip?

My opinion only, but I believe that when something gets super close to the camera like that, you get somewhat of a fish-eye lens type distortion, making it look much bigger than it is.

MOO

 

[Wsimm]

So, this just kind of thinking out loud, theorizing, and asking questions — no verified info at all, truly my opinion only. So you can freely skip this entire post if that's not of interest to you and you will miss nothing of value.

Also, I assume authorities are already doing this stuff, so I'm not trying to suggest that I'm coming up with novel ideas here; just thinking out loud and trying to learn......

On the cell phone topic, I know some things about how the cell network works, but I'm far from an expert in it. And a lot of my knowledge is probably out of date.

I'm curious if anyone here knows roughly how many active cellular devices might be in range of a tower in a neighborhood like NG's? I'm thinking probably somewhere between high hundreds and mid thousands? Quite a few, but not 100K or anything. Of course if you pulled in more towers, you'd end up with some more, but you also might be able to narrow it down by only considering devices that were talking to multiple towers such that they are more likely to be in the area of interest.

So, how big of a list do you think you'd have if you wanted to look at every single cellular device seen in the area in, say, a four hour period? You could probably quickly eliminate a bunch as known residents of the area (not saying clear those people of suspicion, but the presence of their devices here isn't notable). With cooperation from the carriers, and a team of workers, I'd think you could get through the list relatively quickly, and at least categorize into three or four buckets of relevance (ranging from "this is clearly not interesting" to "we must look into this one immediately").

Of course, it's entirely possible that, like Bryan Kohberger, the person or persons turned their devices off before entering the area. Or (less likely IMO, but possible) that they simply did not carry any devices with them. But at some point they would have to turn the device back on/reunite with it. So I guess at that point you'd have to expand the radius, which would exponentially increase the number of devices to consider. Maybe not practical. Also, very possible they used burner phones, but even that would be worthwhile to identify.

Anyway just wondering if anyone here is more deeply familiar with the cellular network and how you might approach this. (Not really interested in AI summaries and the like; I can generate those myself..)

And which phones were moving from cell tower to cell tower shortly after 2am? You’d think thats possible, right?

 

[SMK777]

Hopefully all the name-calling and rudeness I've seen on here in the last 24 hours isn't a regular occurrence here. Just today I have been labelled ageist and homophobic for proposing theories despite being an elder gay myself!

It's been very unpleasant. I'm sorry, and am hoping it will die down soon.

 

[thefragile7393]

Hopefully all the name-calling and rudeness I've seen on here in the last 24 hours isn't a regular occurrence here. Just today I have been labelled ageist and homophobic for proposing theories despite being an elder gay myself!

In that case, you would do best to report such comments

 

[windrower]

AZ Post in thread 'Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026'

Yesterday at 10:31 AM

So, the NY church service was Good Shepherd that NG and her friends tune in to.
Hoda Kobt interviews the pastor here:

Hoda Kotb sits down with the Guthrie family's pastor

Hoda Kotb, filling in on the "TODAY" show while Savannah Guthrie remains in Arizona, sat down with the family's pastor to discuss Nancy Guthrie's disappearance.

www.nbcnews.com

Good Shepherd New York

goodshepherdnewyork.com

• slowpoke

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Only the link to the original post, which I included in my OP. I included it again, above. As I stated in my post, I said that it had been posted on WS.

I know NG attended a gathering with friends to watch a church service remotely, which is in the article.

The article you linked says nothing about NG being picked up by someone to go to the gathering, which you stated in your original post, and is what I was questioning.

The article actually says, The source said that Guthrie and her friends regularly gathered to watch church services online together. When Guthrie did not arrive at her friend’s house for church on the morning of Feb. 1, that friend called her daughter, Annie Guthrie, the source said.

Which sounds like NG got herself to the gathering on Sunday mornings, and when she didn’t arrive, the friend called AG.

 

[jtfolden]

Is it just me or did masked guy at the door walk and move so calmly almost reluctantly. Or so calmly, more indifferent like a hit man. Like im clocking in, dont really feel like doing this vs today. Almost like a sort of non character lazy-ish hit man.

He seemed anything but professional and indeed even a bit bumbling. He was staring down and walking slowly so as not to trip coming up to the porch and when confronted with the camera he incompetently just held his fist partially in front of it. He could have just placed his thumb over the lens while he examined how to remove it. Then backtracks to look for something, finally a plant, to cover the lens.

Someone said that the holster was not the correct size for the gun either, so it’s not clear he knew what he was doing with that either.

 

[dogmom805]

Is it just me or did masked guy at the door walk and move so calmly almost reluctantly. Or so calmly, more indifferent like a hit man. Like im clocking in, dont really feel like doing this vs today. Almost like a sort of non character lazy-ish hit man.

To me, he looked like he came straight from the bar, just before closing time. It had been a long night of drinking.

 

[thefragile7393]

Is it just me or did masked guy at the door walk and move so calmly almost reluctantly. Or so calmly, more indifferent like a hit man. Like im clocking in, dont really feel like doing this vs today. Almost like a sort of non character lazy-ish hit man.

In my opinion, it does not seem like this is something that they have done before. Or even practice to do before.

 

[milkshakedonkey]

It's possible.

It's also possible they are searching the brush in the area because Tomasso lost a guitar pick and wants to jam to pass the time so he asked them to find it.

And that they're canvassing AG's neighborhood door to door asking for donations to the Pima County Annual Police Ball.

I mean there's a lot of possibilities I haven't seen them get mail btw. just taking pictures late at night inside the house with a crime scene van, and leaving the house glove with an evidence kit suitcase and evidence specific bags, not a duffle or tote for personal items. Also the Guthries could have helpers/assistants run out for grocery/supply runs. They are renting a nearly $2M mansion for their stay. You think they're sending agents to their house that has been abandoned for days for snacks?

please forgive me if that came off snarky but I like to use hyperbole to drive home points.

I do believe the reports earlier today specifically mentioned them checking the mail fwiw.

 

[desert-blue]

We really don't have any definitive proof that NG made it safely home. We're just going by what we've been told. Who knows anymore? I sure don't.

I can only assume that phone data from NG and TC confirm this.... maybe LE is intentionally leaving out details, but they seem to act like they think she was dropped off.

 

[PCHS]

How do you want law enforcement to solve crimes if they’re not allowed to investigate? Wasn’t the line being said earlier today, “Shouldn’t they investigate first???” Now that it turns out that they did, there’s outrage for having investigated him beforehand and it wasn’t actually all based on random eye comparisons? lol

Not sure I understand? I expect them to investigate, but it appears this guy was irrelevant and being watched for a time before this?? Yes they should investigate alot of people that had interaction in that area (delivery people, workers etc) but they should be able to also make timely eliminations and not be tracking people over time that can be eliminated quickly.

 

[Lamima]

Those black gloves the guy wore, they look like ones chefs wear in restaurant kitchens. They should check any places NG ate at recently where she may have been unhappy with her meal or service, maybe complained a lot, left no tip, got someone fired even.

 

[SMK777]

BE had an open box of these. Hopefully a reporter didn’t drop one from their reporting in the area. I’m sure more than BE showed them for their report. He said they’re easy to find and buy in the area.

Plus, would a criminal be likely to carelessly discard evidence that could identify him?

 

[SweetVirginia]

If that's what is occurring, this is the first case I've ever known for LE to do gofer work for the family.
A first, for sure !
Omo.

Similar, but not exactly the same, occurred in Idaho college students case. Where LE removed personal belongings. IIRC please correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[dogmom805]

I do believe the reports earlier today specifically mentioned them checking the mail fwiw.

BE states that someone picks up NG's mail, with gloves and a plastic bag. I believe they are watching out for ransom notes to family at both houses.

 

[Starkville]

Disagree, why would there be a glove on the side of the road? Explain to me how it would get there, specifically relating it to this case.

You didn’t ask me, but I’ll butt in.

It’s possible that a latex glove could be left by the roadside by some sort first responder. Here in NYC, officers wear latex gloves sometimes when handling a suspect or evidence. They wore purple latex gloves during an incident I witnessed yesterday. (I can provide a photo if anyone wants proof that they wear disposable gloves.)


EMT/paramedics go wear them for all calls, and don’t always worry about where they land when there’s an emergency. A family member is a paramedic and always has some a bunch of them in a pocket, and they respond to roadside events regularly.

It’s possible that “Lantana Man” had to stop the car and get out for some reason; maybe to change license plates or check something on the outside of the car?

I’d be curious to know which side of the road it was on!

 

[thefragile7393]

To me, he looked like he came straight from the bar, just before closing time. It had been a long night of drinking.

Due to the situation, I know this isn’t funny, but to be perfectly honest your description fits some of the people I treat at my job. Many appear exactly like this and now I can’t unsee it