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The frantic search for Nancy Guthrie, the missing mother of “Today” anchor Savannah Guthrie, has stretched into a thirteenth day.

Investigators were seen erecting a tent outside the crime scene on Thursday morning as Savannah Guthrie posted a heartbreaking video for her missing mom.

Guthrie’s neighbors have been asked to hand over personal security footage while Arizona authorities have been flooded with nearly 20,000 tips related to the 84-year-old’s disappearance.

A chilling new ransom note regarding Nancy Guthrie was sent to TMZ Thursday morning, with the writer complaining that they are “not being taken seriously.”

Nancy was last seen at her Tucson, Ariz., home on Jan. 31, when she was dropped off by her son-in-law, Tommaso Cioni, after she had dinner with him and her daughter, Annie
 
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I don't think the man in the TMZ video is the same as the man in Nancy's camera video because even though Nancy's camera video is in black and white, you can tell the backpack is a lighter color than the coat. And in TMZ's video, it's the opposite. The backpack is black and the coat is a lighter color.
I don't know. You can see he is carrying that pistol on his waist in the front. You can see it best at seconds 10-11 in the video when he turns and something (the gun holster) swings out in front of his waist. I, too, think the body types look different, but carrying that gun in the front like that is unusual and unique.
 
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I am not finding any NBC article stating that gloves found AT the home are being tested. Source?
  • Gloves found at Gurthrie’s home are being sent out for testing, the Pima County Sheriff’s Department said today. Pictures and videos released earlier this week by the FBI depicting Guthrie’s possible kidnapper showed a person wearing black gloves.

 
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As I said elsewhere just now. Unless there is more than one robber. One guy carries the tools of the trade to do the robbery. Others have the empty backpacks.
I don’t think it was a robbery, JMO.
I think the bag was full because of rope, gag, body bag, to get her out of the house more easily.
I’ve moved away from the ransom/ kidnapper theory. I think the ransom people were just opportunists. No proof of life, etc.
I think, someone wanted her gone, ( dead, sorry) but why?
 
  • #25,006
Thread keeps rehashing old news. Tired of reading about cameras and how the person dressed. Maybe it would be helpful to have a NG Current News Thread.

There is a NG media thread that has all the current news
 
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I know we are not privy to all information but this case really feels like the people in charge have no idea what has gone on here and they are clutching at straws. I think the case has been botched from the start.

I feel it has become a circus and sometimes it’s easy to forget at the centre of this is a family who are missing their 84 year old mother.
 
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Does not say when they were found in the home however. I’m posting this for the last time, as I don’t want to contribute to the volume in this thread. But here is the link.
Yes, it was written in the article-
“Gloves found at Guthrie's house are being sent out for testing, the Pima County Sheriff's Department said in a statement this afternoon.”
I tried to find the statement they referred to. I was unable to find any statement that said that gloves were found at the house. I searched for articles, releases, videos, social media, and found nothing. I think gloves are being tested, but I believe someone may have taken some license with where the gloves were found. If they truly were testing gloves (maybe they are and were part of what they were doing in the tent today), I don’t believe it was in a statement.
 
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FBI search North Campbell Ave close to Nancy Guthrie's home in Tucson, AZ, on Wednesday 11th February.
Authorities confirmed they had recovered potentially key pieces of evidence, including a pair of black gloves
 
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I don’t think it was a robbery, JMO.
I think the bag was full because of rope, gag, body bag, to get her out of the house more easily.
I’ve moved away from the ransom/ kidnapper theory. I think the ransom people were just opportunists. No proof of life, etc.
I think, someone wanted her gone, ( dead, sorry) but why?
If so, why not just murder her in the house and leave the body? Makes no sense to remove the body.
 
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Bbm.

There's either something else LE are looking for, or maybe they're not satisfied with what was shown to them ?
Anything deleted that would have to be unearthed via a tech forensics specialist, etc. ?
Omo.
 
  • #25,012
Yes!!! Does anyone know if there is a neighborhood Facebook group for the area?
Or maybe on the Nextdoor app?
Not sure if suggested already due to this fast moving thread.
IMO.
 
  • #25,013
I've had a doorbell camara for years. After following this story I decided to start paying the monthly subscription fee.
 
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I don’t think it was a robbery, JMO.
I think the bag was full because of rope, gag, body bag, to get her out of the house more easily.
I’ve moved away from the ransom/ kidnapper theory. I think the ransom people were just opportunists. No proof of life, etc.
I think, someone wanted her gone, ( dead, sorry) but why?
Completely agree, FWIW.

This was not an abduction, IMO. It was likely a planned murder or intrusion gone bad for an unknown reason.

Either way, sadly I suspect NG died 2/1 early AM as I opined up thread. And porch-guy-fixer's job was to get rid of her body with stuff in his backpack.

Maybe there was a sick or evil plan that would ensure her kids would never know where their Mother ended up. Torture.

IOW, I'll be surprised if NG is found. All that ransom BS is likely just that. And unfortunately, IMO, its a sick distraction.

My speculation only.
 
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They've gotta check it out. Otherwise defense would use it if or when this goes to trial.
Also, since this guy was out and about that evening, he may have noticed a vehicle or something helpful.
 
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Excellent. Great idea. I hope they find her, or body( sorry). Take to all roadsides nearby, up into Catalina Hills, nearby desert just out of town.
JMO
This is from 9 days ago. What is a great idea?
 
  • #25,018
Also, since this guy was out and about that evening, he may have noticed a vehicle or something helpful.
I can’t imagine it’s very likely he would have seen something relevant 5+ miles away. That would be on the complete opposite side of town from me, for example.
 
  • #25,019
Does not say when they were found in the home however. I’m posting this for the last time, as I don’t want to contribute to the volume in this thread. But here is the link.

Many homes have latex or nitrile gloves. I have several different boxes in my garage workshop including black ones.

Finding black disposable gloves alongside a suburban area along w/ other contractor trash is not uncommon. They blow out of the beds of pickup trucks and sail in the wind like tumbleweeds. But I get they still need to investigate all these hits.

If the criminal had any sense he'd plastic-bag his entire outfit and kit including the gloves and incinerate them that night in a burn-barrel or fire-pit.

I am definitely leaning towards this being a worker/landscaper or someone secondary who got a tip from them, who saw this elderly lady living alone in a dark, secluded neighborhood with a rich daughter as an opportunity. Someone working on the house would know some of the grounds and see how its isolated from neighbors and sight-lines but may not have used the front door (so didn't know there was a doorbell cam). The get-up and movements also point to entry level laborer to me as well. A trespasser on that property could linger for an hour and never get detected. A prime opportunity if someone ever worked the house and cased the area.
 
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Excellent. Great idea. I hope they find her, or body( sorry). Take to all roadsides nearby, up into Catalina Hills, nearby desert just out of town.
JMO
Since tracking dogs were used by LE over a week ago, hopefully they'll now bring in cadaver dogs as well, just in case NG was removed in a body bag.
 
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