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I wondered the same for the "golden tip" reward money.
Now i understand it may be too much to handle for LE to go through all those tips flooding in already. Imagine if the reward is 1mil 😅
thank you for the response but i'm not referring to reward money...i'm talking about all of these 'tmz' letters, bitcoin asks, etc...SG pleading to the 'kidnappers' that the family is willing to 'pay'. has nothing to do with LE.

why hasn't the guthrie family chucked some money at...anything? i know the answer but i'm asking...if it was your loved one and you were worth millions, wouldn't you throw a few into an account, however fake, to see what transpired?

everything covered here in over 2,000 pages (and on the news) says that once money starts moving, bitcoin etc. gets easier to track. so why not do anything and everything to 'move mountains' to find your loved one?
 
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So the current description is a male suspect approximately 5'9" - 5"10" tall, with an average build.

But what kind of male suspect are they looking for?

Are they looking for a white male? A black male? A hispanic male? A middle eastern male? A oriental male?

What kind of a male suspect does the public needs to be on the lookout for?
How can you tell ethnicity or race when there is no visible skin? They got a height estimate and a sense of build. It's reasonable.
 
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Yeah, there could be an innocent explaination for his behavior. Been there done that.

Planning to go through a gate but it's locked and needs to go another direction.

Video looks like it's from a business or apartment complex.
Also been there done that.
Is this the guy who has been already cleared?
No, it's the guy with the similar backpack. MO
 
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Yeah, sorry, I should have been more precise about the point I was trying to make.

Earlier, in response to @MassGuy, I said it was unlikely that there is any video from the doorbell camera after the 1:47 AM "disconnect" event on the timeline. I was assuming that the disconnect correlated with the doorbell camera being removed from the mount and disabled or taken out of range, and that after that, it was gone for good. If the newly-revealed timestamps on these images are correct, then I was obviously wrong about that. The doorbell was apparently still on the wall well after 1:47, and was able to upload video during that time.
Is there any chance the time stamps are wrong? I recall one case where a time stamp on a video was off one hour because it was initially set up for a different Time Zone than it should have been. That may not be possible in this case - but this case isn't following any of the usual rules.
 
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I found Brian's interview of the retired officers very interesting, but I was surprised the one gentleman said firmly that he believes Nancy is alive. If so, that should mean that the ransom notes are real. If people have been sending real ransom notes and being blown off, I would expect them to be angry, frustrated and very anxious to get her off their hands. I would think that's very dangerous for Nancy.


I've watched several interviews with 2 ex Pima County LE, latest being retired after 40+ years and worked directly under Sheriff Nanos (2IC). He was scathing of the way things are run, EGO issues, mass exodus of experienced staff. Has witnessed obstruction of FBI assistance in a previous case.

It is little wonder Day 1, 2, 3 work is seen being done Day 12.
 
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IKR who would
I am regularly surprised by how people carry a weapon. Tucked in their waistband, in their pocket, etc. In my area, a teen was carrying a gun in his pocket and shot himself in the leg. So little common sense - or gun sense - in this world.
 
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thank you for the response but i'm not referring to reward money...i'm talking about all of these 'tmz' letters, bitcoin asks, etc...SG pleading to the 'kidnappers' that the family is willing to 'pay'. has nothing to do with LE.

why hasn't the guthrie family chucked some money at...anything? i know the answer but i'm asking...if it was your loved one and you were worth millions, wouldn't you throw a few into an account, however fake, to see what transpired?

everything covered here in over 2,000 pages (and on the news) says that once money starts moving, bitcoin etc. gets easier to track. so why not do anything and everything to 'move mountains' to find your loved one?
SG and sibs are likely following the recommendations of LE and perhaps they were advised against providing ransom money. IMO
 
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What is your reasoning behind saying the perp on the Ring camera murdered her and took away her body? Motive?
They didnt remove her body because it wasn't at the premises to be removed, lantana man was merely a perpetrator setting up the scene to look like the primary crime scene after she was harmed elsewhere.
 
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They didnt remove her body because it wasn't at the premises to be removed, lantana man was merely a perpetrator setting up the scene to look like the primary crime scene after she was harmed elsewhere.
But who benefits from a missing person? No inheritance for 5 years when she might be presumed dead.
 
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White tent at Guthrie's home used to create nighttime testing conditions, source says​

From CNN's Josh Campbell
A white tent erected by federal agents at the home of Nancy Guthrie on Thursday was part of a testing procedure to create nighttime conditions similar to the time of day the 84-year-old went missing, a law enforcement source familiar told CNN.

Once FBI specialists set up the tent to create a blackout environment, replica clothing and a backpack similar to what the suspect was believed to be wearing were examined through the lens of what a doorbell camera might see at night, the source said.

The source said examiners looked at the reflections of lighting against the items to ensure they were confident in their brand names.

Also on Thursday, FBI examiners used specialized equipment to analyze the front of the home where the suspect was seen on video in order to determine his height, resulting in the FBI assessing him to be 5’9” to 5’10” tall.

 
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Would roofers tend to use a small mouth flashlight? Or anyone associated with a roofing project? Or people installing outdoor roof cameras?
People working in small dark spaces such as plumbers or electricians might use a small mouth flashlight. MO
 
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a websleuther determined the height about 200 pages ago so...way to go LE (eye roll).

possibly a stupid question but why hasn't the family thrown money into the 'ransom/bitcoin' ask? we know SG at least has the money. and she herself two/three videos ago said "we will pay"...so why not throw some spaghetti money on the wall and see what sticks?

another websleuther said we would all do ANYTHING to get our loved one saved/home/discovered. so why hasn't the guthrie family thrown so much as a dollar at bitcoin/offshore account?/anything these alleged kidnappers have asked for?

my answer - because these are bogus claims/distractions. curious as to what others think.
They are thinking rational...that the ransom letters are likely a scam... MOO.

Lots of people feel this is to get back at Samantha. What about getting back at someone else in the family?

Has anyone considered who may have benefitted from SG not covering the Olympics. She was scheduled to leave for Italy on February 2.
 
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Yeah, there could be an innocent explaination for his behavior. Been there done that.

Planning to go through a gate but it's locked and needs to go another direction.

Video looks like it's from a business or apartment complex.
I bet he got a right freight today when he saw his face was all over the media!!
 
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But who benefits from a missing person? No inheritance for 5 years when she might be presumed dead.
People keep asking that but don't seem to realise that the benefit in a missing person is that they can't change their inheritance or out someone for a fraud or other crime being committed.
 
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Kidnapping for Ransom is the LEAST LIKELY answer to this. So many murders have been disguised as walk away disappearances or kidnapping over the years that its become almost 100% certain they are never genuine.

That is true. How can you prove a negative? That something didn't happen? When all of the energy is looking for something that happened? I was really surprised with the video of that guy.
 

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