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Sorry if this has already been posted - but I just scrolled down further in the "Google Trends" results and saw it also shows what country the January 21st "Nancy Guthrie house" Google search(es) came from. See screenshot attached

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By the way, from what I've read, the "100" on the chart doesn't represent the number of actual searches that day. It just means that within my chosen date parameters (January 1 to January 30), 100% of the searches for "Nancy Guthrie house" fell on that single day (January 21). Edited to add: the country is probably not too useful though, because of VPNs (IMO / MOO)
 

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  • #25,482
I wonder if the sheriff thinks someone from the FBI is leaking info
I was wondering about that. The AB leak about the SIL being ‘a likely prime suspect’ came to mind. AB said she’d known the ‘impeccable’ source for a decade and the person was a high-level LE official.
 
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Bingo! Inheritance, fraud or to cover up another crime.
Occam’s razor.

At this time, I think it’s to cover up another crime, seems most likely. Remove person who might snitch (NG). I am very open to changing my mind.

JMO

That’s not Occam’s Razor… that’s Occam’s Soap Opera.
Way too many assumptions.
 
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And yet we still have ZERO PROOF that NG ever made it home from AG and SIL house. Until that's conclusively proven they will remain under suspicion.
So, her belongings being found in the house -- her pacemaker disconnecting, apparently from there -- the opening and closing of her garage door -- and most conclusively, her blood appearing on the front steps only after a masked man disabled the doorbell camera in the wee hours of the morning -- isn't evidence enough?

I mean, it's possible to suspect SIL even if you think she did get home from their house. But I think Occam's razor would say that she did get home. Your mileage may vary.

JMO
 
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Sheriff appears to be a territorial individual that does not play well with others. IMO
First time I listened to this guy I got Charles Moose (DC sniper Sheriff) vibes.
 
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And yet we still have ZERO PROOF that NG ever made it home from AG and SIL house. Until that's conclusively proven they will remain under suspicion.
But there is a ton of evidence she made it home. Her hearing aids were there, her phone was there, which she would have needed to take the uber, her pacemaker, lodged in her chest disconnected from that phone as she was removed from the home. And her phone, now in police custody has no doubt corroborated this.

Sure it’s possible her daughter and SIL ripped her pacemaker out, knowing it would give them away, but does that really make sense?
 
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Here’s the Reuters report. Prepare to be enraged:

Thanks for posting this, @MassGuy... It is staggering. Do you think the Sheriff will have to step down, or be removed from the case?
 
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@ 16:54 Brian Entin interviews former Undersheriff Rick Hasagar, 40 + yrs in Pima County LE and it echos off of what's taking place now between Nanos and the FBI,
RH goes on to say some not very nice things about Sheriff Nanos and obviously has no problem public ally criticizing him.
Yet paying close attention to Sheriff Nano's words and actions throughout this investigation this is not at all surprising to hear from someone who knew him well.
imo

 
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I guess that's why they were checking septic and water tanks. So where could she be hidden? Isn't it more likely to be relatively far away? (10-30 miles)

I think septic tanks and water tanks were checked to see if the perpetrators flushed anything indicative of a crime. I am unable to find a WS approved source to back that up. JMO
 
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Isn't the pacemaker attached to the heart? That would mean someone in her family surgically removed it. That's cold.
Not possible. From Mayo Clinic regarding pacemaker removal.

“It is performed in a hybrid operating room using laser or mechanical sheaths to cut through scar tissue.
Key Aspects of the Procedure
  • Method: A cardiac electrophysiologist opens the original chest incision, detaches the generator, and uses specialized tools—often laser sheaths—to safely remove wires from the heart muscle and blood vessels.
  • Expertise: The procedure requires a multidisciplinary team, including cardiothoracic surgeons, available to manage potential risks like heart perforation.
  • Safety Measures: For complex or long-term implants (e.g., >10 years), procedures are done under general anesthesia in a hybrid OR with advanced imaging (fluoroscopy) and, if necessary, sternotomy capabilities.”
 
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That seems to be the implication, and I really hope it’s true.

We have to take all reporting with a grain of salt though, as these are law enforcement sources and not direct from law enforcement.

Something could be lost in translation.
Every news organization is competing for clicks right now. It pays to be patient and wait for the story to fully come out.
 
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The jurisdictional pissing contests between federal and local agents seem to go hand in hand with the cases that take ages to resolve.
Competition between jurisdictions is not fair to the families.
 
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Sheriff appears to be a territorial individual that does not play well with others. IMO


If you listen to the interviews of former detectives from that department they have alluded to his political initiatives in the dept. and the leaving of many seasoned detectives because of it. He is an elected official and more of a political figure head in that aspect. He's had past controversy as well.
In the final stages of the 2024 election, Nanos faced severe criticism, including from some fellow Democrats, for placing his political opponent (who was also a department employee) on administrative leave. This action led to calls for his resignation and an investigation by the Pima County Board of Supervisors.
 
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Well, if they ever do come up with a suspect I hope the glove fits.
pffff. omg. please tell me a white bronco isn't involved in this.

fox news just reported that a glove was located in NG's home. what the what? is it a pair to the glove found in the cacti field two miles away? would it "give away" the investigation if LE, begging for the public's help, gave us some idea as to what help they are looking for? "we found a pair of gloves, one in NG's living room and one two miles away amidst brush, that could possibly be those gloves found on the video posted two days ago". how would that "hinder" the investigation?

@ iluvmyelement and thefragile, thank you for your insights. i live in a major metropolitan area and can say there are keystone cops everywhere but your experiences are haunting as well as informative. thanks again.
 
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I live in the Tucson area and have personal experience with Nanos and his staff. Between the PCSD deputies harassing people in poor areas, not responding to urgent calls, etc. I am not surprised that things are going this way. One day, my spouse and I were driving home and encountered an elderly man (75-80ish) and his dog being gruesomely attacked by two pitbulls. By the time we arrived, the man and his dog were on the ground, the man's clothing partially torn off and blood was everywhere. My husband jumped out of the car and tried to help while I called 911. Needless to say, Pima County Sheriffs office "declined" the call and said they would not come for a dog attack and then transferred me to the fire department - which also declined the call. I begged for anyone to come or to send an ambulance - but they refused. A second incident happened when a neighbor's home was being broken into and we called PCSD and they also refused to come unless someone was home at the neighbor's and injured. After those two incidents, I realized they were not there to help average citizens and had their own agenda.
I listen to my local scanner. Every call is responded to, no matter what the call is. Sometimes just the law, sometimes both law and emergency medical. Every time.
 
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Thanks for posting this, @MassGuy... It is staggering. Do you think the Sheriff will have to step down, or be removed from the case?
I don't see him going anywhere. It's just not a good look, at all. We also don't know the full story here, as this is completely one sided.

Looking into this lab though, they are really good.

DNA Labs International (DLI), located in Deerfield Beach, Florida.

They have advanced techniques when it comes to touch DNA, and also do IGG analysis.
 

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