• #25,661
Wait! Hold up, instead of allowing FBI to utilize Quantico. This local sheriff wants to send evidence to a private lab in Florida. I’m so dumbfounded by this Sheriff.

I hope Locals remember this when they hit polling locations
Yes, I think he's toast.
 
  • #25,662
“The FBI asked Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos for physical evidence in the case, including a glove and DNA from the home of 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie, to be processed at the FBI's national crime laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, but Nanos has insisted instead on using a private lab in Florida," the official said.

According to the source, the FBI will likely need to re-test the evidence themselves
Is this investigation turning into a p!ssing contest???
 
  • #25,663
How clearly was the getaway car recorded? Color? Size, sedan, etc.

I’m sure more info will come out on this.

Maybe a residential or business nearby has better views.

JMO

Is that the blue Subaru crosstrek they are referring to?
 
  • #25,664
The local cops are all at the Thursday night basketball game
I am sure it is all legit. Sheriff gathering backpack and sport jacket logo info. :(
 
  • #25,665
I don’t chime in very often, however, I just wanted to comment on thoughts about family’s demeanor in videos and whether it is suspect or not… from experience, I think you “just know” when someone you are so connected to, like a mother, has passed. There are not words to describe it, but it is feeling that you just have and it totally defeats you. I see that defeat on their faces in the videos and it is truly heartbreaking.
 
  • #25,666
Well now it makes more sense why the Sheriff had no idea that SG and family was going to release the first video asking for proof of life. He said he learned it from his wife who showed it to him on Facebook. Seems like there were jurisdictions not working together from the start. Yet during that time Sheriff was making the media tour rounds on every channel.

Also, I feel so bad (not) for any of these random idiot burglars who chose that night for petty theft and robbing cars. They'll probably admit to it real quick to get cleared of this!
 
  • #25,667
Wait, do they know what the car looked like?
That’s why I asked. The comments from Tucson personnel said the cameras don’t pick up license plates. It said, They actually don’t record cars, not good focus?

It didn’t sound very promising, maybe FBI can enhance pics, get an idea of car.

JMO
 
  • #25,668
It seems like I remember the Idaho investigators sending the sheath to a lab in south Texas - am I remembering that right?
Yes, but not the same scenario Imo. That was Othram in Texas, for their expertise with investigative genetic genealogy re the single source, male DNA identified on the sheathe by ISP lab. No hits in CODIS.

ETA: and as someone else points out, no infighting. The cooperation and professionalism from the outset between ISP, MPD and FBI is noted in that case. Jmo
 
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Is this investigation turning into a p!ssing contest???
My thoughts exactly but I had a more graphic description in mind.

And I had other words in mind as I think about the possibility that NG may just be hanging on hour by hour.
 
  • #25,670
Nanos won't let them. He believes in a kinder, free-range crime scene.

Insert Benny Hill music and the actual pizza delivery walking up to the front door the other day (yes that happened).

The clueless pizza delivery dude toting the pizzas up the driveway really was the stuff of surreal comedy.

And yes, someone needs to play the Benny Hill theme song every time Nanos is introduced at a podium.
 
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It seems like I remember the Idaho investigators sending the sheath to a lab in south Texas - am I remembering that right?
While many were criticizing the Moscow investigation, there did not seem to be any infighting.
Following crime for years I've seen plenty of police departments not wanting FBI assisting. The Roden case is one. The sherrif said when asked if he wanted FBI to assist, he said "hell no!" I did a search for "is quantico lab faster than private labs". Here's my answer via google.

Why do some law enforcement agencies utilize private crime scene labs?


The Role of Private Forensic DNA Labs

They employ highly trained scientists, invest in advanced equipment, and stay updated with the latest techniques and technologies. Private labs often have the resources and flexibility to expedite testing processes and deliver faster results than government labs.Mar 7, 2024


That could be why the sherrif's department sent them to FL. Besides FBI sending evidence to the FL lab too. Plus Pima Co. Sheriff's office has a contract with the lab that ends in March of 2026.

jmo
Is Quantico on the same level as other government labs? The FL lab might be great, but I think if I were Nanos in these circumstances, I would hand off the ball.
 
  • #25,672
Last night I went through band videos to see if I could see the tattoo; dark stages -- and difficult to see. I'll keep looking..
I was looking last night to.Would be interesting to hear if you find something.
 
  • #25,673
Ill try to dig up the ex-Pima County homicide Det. of 20 years interview (or someone post it) that basically hates his guts and says the reason so many left was him and the avg. homicide Det. left has 2 years experience. Nanos also had an investigation in his last election for putting the guy running against him (another cop) on administrative duty.

I saw this first hand with a lot of buddies during Mayor DeBlasio in NYC. Everyone was retiring to the point the dept.. had to put an actual retirement freeze. And DeBlasio then cut $1B to the NYPD budget and eliminated 2 academy classes. So many guys left. From all I read Tucson seems to have a mini version of that with Nanos.

I don't see this ending well for Nanos, btw, the Feds are going to take over the case now that it has gotten so big and even has many higher ups attention (along w/ the President).
StM, how do you think this situation will impact the investigation, the return of NG or her body, the identification of the kidnappers or killers, and a possible trial down the road?
 
  • #25,674
Am I reading this right? Someone was searching for NG's house from.... Malawi?
I see that too - mostly searches from Malwaki and then Somalia on January 21st. No other searches before/after that date except of course after February 1st of this year.

Could this be relevant? Some kind of cyber crime ring - 574 arrests and USD 3 million recovered in coordinated cybercrime operation across Africa

EDIT: NG's specific full home address (including number/street/city/zip code) had hits on January 3rd and January 29th as well. The January 3rd hits weren't identified in terms of a region, but Massachusetts and Texas show up as regions on the 29th.
For context, I also extended the searches back a couple of months and didn't see any hits. If we're to assume this is related (it could very well not be - I'm not very familiar with this Google search data), my assumption would be plans to go to NG's home only began in January and not before then.

I'm curious too if the Google search data also includes Google Maps? And if LE can pull that data from not only Google Maps searches but Waze, Apple Maps, etc. ?
If someone was driving there's a chance they would put the address in their GPS; if not while driving perhaps the same day so they could commit it to memory.
 
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I happen to think that NG was targeted because of her famous daughter. If you have not see this Today episode it is quite interesting in light of the events.
SG has done other shows with her children featured. I don't know how she will move on after this. This will make celebrities take a serious look at exposing their families to any media.
 
  • #25,676
I had read a headline on Daily Mail yesterday about this, but it was one of their exclusive (behind paywall) and that usually means it's their opinion not fact. However, I had also read random posts that the Sheriff isn't very likeable, he withheld plane search the day she disappeared because he removed the pilot from that position and instead sent him on street patrol. Early missteps, delayed search plane response emerge in Savannah Guthrie’s mother disappearance
Are we looking at incompetence or something else?
 
  • #25,677
I happen to think that was targeted because of her famous daughter. If you have not see this Today episode it is quite interesting in light of the events.
SG has done other shows with her children featured. I don't know how she will move on after this. This will make celebrities take a serious look at exposing their families to any media.
As it should. In hindsight this is lunacy
 
  • #25,678
Or a clever and savvy criminal who wants to use untraceable generic and secondhand gear to avoid identification if he is caught on camera. It's a lot harder to trace buyers of a walmart backpack and a cheap nylon holster than buyers of expensive pro-rated gear.
I agree. Walmart gear is going to be harder to trace.
 
  • #25,679
I don't see him going anywhere. It's just not a good look, at all. We also don't know the full story here, as this is completely one sided.

Looking into this lab though, they are really good.

DNA Labs International (DLI), located in Deerfield Beach, Florida.

They have advanced techniques when it comes to touch DNA, and also do IGG analysis.
So maybe the FBI are the ones with the ego...
 
  • #25,680
I’m of the opinion that FBI and Pima Co. have been working different investigations from the start. IMO, Pima Co. and Sheriff Nanos were focused on the family while FBI was focused on an outside entity (past worker, potential ransom writer, etc.)
 
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