• #26,001
Do you know roughly how far? Google is giving me conflicting info

Even if they’re not super close, could still be worth it for the homeowner to send in. There really does appear to be a resemblance, as much as we’re able to tell from not super high quality videos at night and one with a mask

moo
The Ring camera guy on the porch is about 6.6 miles from NG's house.
 
  • #26,002
Sharing more on the Flight Radar topic, as I was fiddling around on my flight radar app.. this helicopter did some circles for almost exactly 30 minutes before landing at AVW (Tucson) on Wednesday evening. Just thought I’d share!
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Are you sure it wasn't in the day? UTC would be around noon local time.
This is a private helicopter. However, it could be searching for Nancy.
 
  • #26,003
I don't believe that the ransom sender and this guy are the same person. You're talking about someone operating on an advanced level on the one hand, and some guy seemingly out of his depth on the other.

We have no idea what he left at the scene, but as we have seen in past cases, criminals make mistakes (even brilliant ones).

I jut hope the glove thing is true, and it was found in the house. It would be a Bryan Kohberger level mistake.

The FBI requested and received a warrant that enabled them to act on digital evidence from the ransom demand to detain the person in Rio Rico, and they acted with the belief that he had in fact committed both actions. Indeed, they went there not just to arrest him for an online scam, but to find a victim that they believed he had kidnapped and either had in his possession or the knowledge as to her whereabouts. Thats a fairly overt and definitive statement that both things are one in the same, IMO.

I also hope that this sick and depraved arrogant deviant made a clearly identifying mistake. Thus far it isn't looking too good, but the media psyop campaign with all of the 'experts' talking about how pathetically amateur he is might just provoke an impulsive and sloppy ego defense. Unfortunately that seems like all they have going for them right now. Might be enough though.

JMO.
 
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That's what I can't figure out. There's supposed to be an attempt at proof of life, or at least a body; payment, then resolution. But this process has continually stalled and aborted. Without explanation.
Agreed. I guess there's a reason we don't know, but it's human nature to want to know.
 
  • #26,005
My impression is that you seem to focus more on debunking info/comments by others here than about the case.

Am not trying to be inflammatory, just stating something rather noticeable to me.
Oh that's nice!
 
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I took screenshots from the January 23rd doorbell cam in Tucson that was linked to a few posts ago. Who knows if it’s related, but the guy really could match the NG abductor images quite well. I hope he’s being ruled in or out.
 

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  • #26,008
Are you sure it wasn't in the day? UTC would be around noon local time.
This is a private helicopter. However, it could be searching for Nancy.
What they're showing happened 2 days ago.
 
  • #26,009
I took screenshots from the January 23rd doorbell cam in Tucson that was linked to a few posts ago. Who knows if it’s related, but the guy really could match the NG abductor images quite well. I hope he’s being ruled in or out.
That last picture looks remarkably like the composite that Lois Gibson drew. Maybe it's a wacky coincidence but it sure is unsettling.
 
  • #26,010
I guess some neighbors have been asked about checking cameras for a grey truck. Fox News Nancy Guthrie disappearance: FBI reveals description of suspect and backpack he was wearing

“"Crime Stories with Nancy Grace" host Nancy Grace said federal authorities are looking for a gray truck in connection with Nancy Guthrie's disappearance.

"They're asking everyone within a two mile radius to pull video and have they seen a truck, a gray truck, and do they own a truck, and do they know somebody who owns a truck?" Grace said of the investigation.

Grace said the reason authorities are searching for a truck is one has reportedly been spotted on video around questionable times.

Neighbors mentioned a possible gray truck in the area, though no make, model or license plate information has been provided.”
 
  • #26,011
That last picture looks remarkably like the composite that Lois Gibson drew. Maybe it's a wacky coincidence but it sure is unsettling.

I said the same. Plus gloves were found on N Campbell

People who know area have said it's rough... in which case, if gloves were found in that area, chance of them being related to this case will be slim. If it's a high crime area then likely high need for gloving hands! I don't know, we're grasping because nothing makes any sense.
 
  • #26,012
I took screenshots from the January 23rd doorbell cam in Tucson that was linked to a few posts ago. Who knows if it’s related, but the guy really could match the NG abductor images quite well. I hope he’s being ruled in or out.

Legs and neck seem longer to me so he looks a bit taller than the suspect because of that. But those cameras do distort quite a bit, so who knows?!

Thanks for taking the time to do that!

JMO.
 
  • #26,013
I just can't imagine an 84 year old woman living by herself, in a community where the houses are spaced apart, away a bit from the road with no light posts on the street. She's got I would imagine delivery people she doesn't know coming to her home every so often. She's got people working around the house whether it's the pool guy, landscaping guy, or cleaning lady whatever. Yet, she allows the ring subscription to expire. Apparently there's no light in the front that was turned on. Possibly no lights turned on in the house. Did she even lock the door to her bedroom when she sleeps? The lack of security is appalling to me for an elderly woman living alone in an expensive home.

Looks like her area is kind of iffy relative to the adjacent neighborhoods. Go just a little bit south and it's real sketchy. (Per the map)

 
  • #26,014
What they're showing happened 2 days ago.
Yes, I know. But I was looking at the flight time. If you have a subscription you can go back and see later dates and flight time. It looks like a helicopter was circling the Catalina foothills around 19:30 UTC 2 days ago. (12:30 pm MST) It could have been searching for Nancy.
 
  • #26,015
Unless they have suspect in mind and the perp's not a repeat offender, sadly, DNA on the gloves could go nowhere, right? <snipped>
LE has a wonderful, game-changing tool in their toolbox: forensic genealogy. Even if the perp’s DNA isn’t in CODIS, with forensic genealogy you can’t hide any longer.
 
  • #26,016
LE has a wonderful, game-changing tool in their toolbox: forensic genealogy. Even if the perp’s DNA isn’t in CODIS, with forensic genealogy you can’t hide any longer.
Yes. Now we just pray the lab in Florida doesn’t botch the only potential dna sample they have to work with.
 
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Dbm
 
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Hi All, this is my first time posting here so apologies in advance if I mess up. Not sure if this topic is okay to share but wanted to discuss the clues I see that indicate a possible motive.

I think the motive for the abduction of NG is indicated by the placement of the holstered gun over the groin of the perpetrator as per the released NEST doorbell camera footage.

The placement of the holstered weapon is deliberate and overt, meant to draw the attention of the intended viewer to the genital area. It could indicate that the perpetrator equates the weapon with his sexual potency and possibly fetishizes sexual violence.

The perpetrator also had no hesitation in performing an act of violence on NG to force submission prior to exiting the residence as indicated by the trail of her blood on the front porch. He could have compelled NG, an 84 year old mobility challenged person, to leave with him without resorting to violence and yet violence was the action of first resort.

Lastly, the perpetrator did not take any of NG's personal possessions which would increase her levels of comfort (such as glasses or hearing aid) or ensure her health conditions were treated (medications). This indicates that the perpetrator had no interest in NG's comfort or concern for her health. If the objective was to seek ransom for NG's safe return, the perpetrator would be taking the medications essential for her survival.

As such, I don't think that the perpetrator abducted NG for ransom and fear that he had no intention of NG surviving their encounter.

MOO
 
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I just can't imagine an 84 year old woman living by herself, in a community where the houses are spaced apart, away a bit from the road with no light posts on the street. She's got I would imagine delivery people she doesn't know coming to her home every so often. She's got people working around the house whether it's the pool guy, landscaping guy, or cleaning lady whatever. Yet, she allows the ring subscription to expire. Apparently there's no light in the front that was turned on. Possibly no lights turned on in the house. Did she even lock the door to her bedroom when she sleeps? The lack of security is appalling to me for an elderly woman living alone in an expensive home.

Looks like her area is kind of iffy relative to the adjacent neighborhoods. Go just a little bit south and it's real sketchy. (Per the map)

I'll say it right now as of this particular minute but it will change tomorrow, my mom in her late 70s has no security cameras and WILL NOT sign up for any type of subscription. I'd have to do it for her, and I will now because this is scary as he77 to me, even though I can't imagine anyone targeting her or breaking into her house in her community that she's in. But apparently...

I don't lock a door to my bedroom. She doesn't either. Do you? I'm honestly curious and if you can say without giving too much away, where do you live where you have to do that. We lock our doors, outside doors. I have some cameras and security, but she's in a gated community and I suppose we've gotten a little too comfortable with that but that's gonna change. She's gonna hate me starting tomorrow LOL

I thought NG's neighborhood looked very nice, "safe" as much as you can say. I think most people don't imagine things like this, most places are pretty alright. It's stuff like this that makes us add the locks and cameras and other security to what we thought were "safe" places.
 

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