AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Spectrix]

The FBI requested and received a warrant that enabled them to act on digital evidence from the ransom demand to detain the person in Rio Rico, and they acted with the belief that he had in fact committed both actions. Indeed, they went there not just to arrest him for an online scam, but to find a victim that they believed he had kidnapped and either had in his possession or the knowledge as to her whereabouts.

Respectfully, if you post information as fact can you please include a link, in line with the forum rules.
If there is a link between the Rio Rico detention and the ransom, I'd like to read about it.
It's the first I've heard of that information, though this thread is moving so quickly it's hard to keep up.
Many thanks.

 

[Strangeworld]

That area is farther south than Nancy's neighborhood. The crime rate is higher in the area where this video was taken.

How far would it be to drive from that area to Nancy's just to give an idea of distance?

 

[Strangeworld]

He really does. I'll have to read back because I don't know what this is about but I'm curious.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/trending/article/nancy-guthrie-lois-gibson-sketch-21349269.php

I think its probably a good idea to note in any post with this sketch that it's not from LE/FBI or not allow it as we might start getting confusion around that. Just like all the AI generated images that came out over the last 24 hours.

 

[Kapua]

I don't believe that the ransom sender and this guy are the same person. You're talking about someone operating on an advanced level on the one hand, and some guy seemingly out of his depth on the other.

We have no idea what he left at the scene, but as we have seen in past cases, criminals make mistakes (even brilliant ones).

I jut hope the glove thing is true, and it was found in the house. It would be a Bryan Kohberger level mistake.

I agree that Ransom Note Sender and Masked Guy are two separate individuals simply because the tasks they performed require two very different skill sets. Masked Guy could be either a hired gun or a co-conspirator. Ransom Note Sender could be in another state or even another country. Actually, there might even be three or more criminals involved in this. They'd both (or all) be smart to not be anywhere near Tucson right now.

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

I'll say it right now as of this particular minute but it will change tomorrow, my mom in her late 70s has no security cameras and WILL NOT sign up for any type of subscription. I'd have to do it for her, and I will now because this is scary as he77 to me, even though I can't imagine anyone targeting her or breaking into her house in her community that she's in. But apparently...

I don't lock a door to my bedroom. She doesn't either. Do you? I'm honestly curious and if you can say without giving too much away, where do you live where you have to do that. We lock our doors, outside doors. I have some cameras and security, but she's in a gated community and I suppose we've gotten a little too comfortable with that but that's gonna change. She's gonna hate me starting tomorrow LOL

I thought NG's neighborhood looked very nice, "safe" as much as you can say. I think most people don't imagine things like this, most places are pretty alright. It's stuff like this that makes us add the locks and cameras and other security to what we thought were "safe" places.

The book Helter Skelter made me start locking my door to the bedroom. And I read it in the 90s during summer vacation so it was a long time ago.Was paranoid for weeks! All these other crimes like the Bryan Kohberger murders just reinforce the notion that a locked bedroom door is better than an unlocked bedroom door. Takes not even a second to lock it.

Security is an insurance. It's a layer of defense. Even having lights on in the back and front and maybe a light on inside your house is powerful enough to keep an intruder away! But it's always best to go the extra mile for added security.

 

[submarine7]

I'll say it right now as of this particular minute but it will change tomorrow, my mom in her late 70s has no security cameras and WILL NOT sign up for any type of subscription. I'd have to do it for her, and I will now because this is scary as he77 to me, even though I can't imagine anyone targeting her or breaking into her house in her community that she's in. But apparently...

I don't lock a door to my bedroom. She doesn't either. Do you? I'm honestly curious and if you can say without giving too much away, where do you live where you have to do that. We lock our doors, outside doors. I have some cameras and security, but she's in a gated community and I suppose we've gotten a little too comfortable with that but that's gonna change. She's gonna hate me starting tomorrow LOL

I thought NG's neighborhood looked very nice, "safe" as much as you can say. I think most people don't imagine things like this, most places are pretty alright. It's stuff like this that makes us add the locks and cameras and other security to what we thought were "safe" places.

I live in San Francisco, female and I have a very vocal dog. I do not sleep with my bedroom door locked. I live alone.

I use to be very lax about security because of my neighborhood, but I learned my lesson hard in a few ways. I'm pretty vigilant.

I have a ring and I have multiple cameras. Both inside and out. I also watch my dog walkers periodically.i have a very close friend a few blocks away and I don't hesitate calling him if I get the creeps. I don't live in fear but you have to be realistic.

 

[Dreamcherry]

The guy's clothes are dirty. He's carrying a sweater. We have homeless people who will look for any place to bunk. They will sleep at bus stops, the bench in front of the dollar store, on s sidewalk, you name it.

100% They'll sleep right on your porch here. And dig through your garbage/dumpster for recyclables. That's what I had automatically assumed was going on in all these videos.

 

[shonyakay]

I took screenshots from the January 23rd doorbell cam in Tucson that was linked to a few posts ago. Who knows if it’s related, but the guy really could match the NG abductor images quite well. I hope he’s being ruled in or out.

Wow. His eyebrows, eyes, and mustache is similar to the suspect's. IMO.

 

[Kapua]

I'll say it right now as of this particular minute but it will change tomorrow, my mom in her late 70s has no security cameras and WILL NOT sign up for any type of subscription. I'd have to do it for her, and I will now because this is scary as he77 to me, even though I can't imagine anyone targeting her or breaking into her house in her community that she's in. But apparently...

I don't lock a door to my bedroom. She doesn't either. Do you? I'm honestly curious and if you can say without giving too much away, where do you live where you have to do that. We lock our doors, outside doors. I have some cameras and security, but she's in a gated community and I suppose we've gotten a little too comfortable with that but that's gonna change. She's gonna hate me starting tomorrow LOL

I thought NG's neighborhood looked very nice, "safe" as much as you can say. I think most people don't imagine things like this, most places are pretty alright. It's stuff like this that makes us add the locks and cameras and other security to what we thought were "safe" places.

I'm sure that NG's neighborhood is very nice. As far as safety goes, I will say this: I personally know three people whose houses were robbed and they all lived in very nice, "safe" neighborhoods. The truth is that crime occurs almost everywhere and you're wise to do what you can to ensure your own safety.

 

[shonyakay]

The guy's clothes are dirty. He's carrying a sweater. We have homeless people who will look for any place to bunk. They will sleep at bus stops, the bench in front of the dollar store, on s sidewalk, you name it.

Good point. He is dirty while the suspect appears clean and well kept.

 

[SlimPickens]

Hi All, this is my first time posting here so apologies in advance if I mess up. Not sure if this topic is okay to share but wanted to discuss the clues I see that indicate a possible motive.

I think the motive for the abduction of NG is indicated by the placement of the holstered gun over the groin of the perpetrator as per the released NEST doorbell camera footage.

The placement of the holstered weapon is deliberate and overt, meant to draw the attention of the intended viewer to the genital area. It could indicate that the perpetrator equates the weapon with his sexual potency and possibly fetishizes sexual violence.

The perpetrator also had no hesitation in performing an act of violence on NG to force submission prior to exiting the residence as indicated by the trail of her blood on the front porch. He could have compelled NG, an 84 year old mobility challenged person, to leave with him without resorting to violence and yet violence was the action of first resort.

Lastly, the perpetrator did not take any of NG's personal possessions which would increase her levels of comfort (such as glasses or hearing aid) or ensure her health conditions were treated (medications). This indicates that the perpetrator had no interest in NG's comfort or concern for her health. If the objective was to seek ransom for NG's safe return, the perpetrator would be taking the medications essential for her survival.

As such, I don't think that the perpetrator abducted NG for ransom and fear that he had no intention of NG surviving their encounter.

MOO

Further along those lines, the Sheriff called in homicide virtually immediately upon visiting the home and declared it a crime scene, so something there indicated that an act was done that could potentially be fatal. A missing 84 year old in and of itself isn't enough to arrive at that assumption. Blood drops on the sidewalk isn't enough to draw that conclusion. The Sheriff almost certainly saw a lot more blood inside the home, perhaps even enough to presume that someone couldn't have survived whatever had occurred.

I don't know if she had a dog inside the home - that has been much discussed and at times even derided by well meaning folks - but if she did have one it was probably killed quickly and that could've caused the Sheriff to conclude that if someone would do that and take a victim with them, then it would likely have been to dispose of her body.

JMO.

 

[submarine7]

I'm sure that NG's neighborhood is very nice. As far as safety goes, I will say this: I personally know three people whose houses were robbed and they all lived in very nice, "safe" neighborhoods. The truth is that crime occurs almost everywhere and you're wise to do what you can to ensure your own safety.

True. My dad always told me to "live in the hills because crime don't climb." Climb. climbs.

 

[Idreamofgenie]

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[Andreee]

I keep thinking about the 2 minute opening and closing of Nancy's garage door when family supposedly dropped her off that night. Two minutes is a very short time for her to get into the garage. And then to go in inner door into her house. Was that door unlocked? How could the family know whether she got into the actual house in that two minutes time frame? JMO

 

[shonyakay]

Ring Neighbors

I cropped the capture of the man from the January 23 ring video and rotated it.

 

[britinsussex]

I just can't imagine an 84 year old woman living by herself, in a community where the houses are spaced apart, away a bit from the road with no light posts on the street. She's got I would imagine delivery people she doesn't know coming to her home every so often. She's got people working around the house whether it's the pool guy, landscaping guy, or cleaning lady whatever. Yet, she allows the ring subscription to expire. Apparently there's no light in the front that was turned on. Possibly no lights turned on in the house. Did she even lock the door to her bedroom when she sleeps? The lack of security is appalling to me for an elderly woman living alone in an expensive home.

Looks like her area is kind of iffy relative to the adjacent neighborhoods. Go just a little bit south and it's real sketchy. (Per the map)

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We have to remember that NG has lived there for over 50 years and raised her children in that home. It wasn't a scary place to her. In the era we live in, package and grocery delivery, and service people are part of our lives at any age. And the camera system she had seemed sufficient to her. Parents (just like children!) can be stubborn. A few years ago, for my parents' anniversary. I purchased the Ring system for them. They were hesitant and felt I bought it because they are elderly! Nope. I bought it for their home because crime, big and small, happens everywhere.

 

[Chili Fries]

The letters are proven to be written by the perps. Mostly, with few somewhat unlikely exceptions. I really cannot decide if their ransom attempts were purposefully impossible or they were just clueless on how it should work. Crazy as it is, there's always a price negotiation. However, there's also POL. Idk....this case is wild!

If not ransom and a financial motive, that leaves somebody wanting NG dead. But why? The entire crime feels very personal. It feels like an attack on somebody other than NG. But, it could be anybody or anything. People can stew on perceived wrongs, jealousy, and delights forever and then unexpectedly exact revenge.

I don't think it's likely but it has crossed my mind that the kidnapper(s) could have gone to the wrong house. It seems to be an area with a lot of wealthy people and I'm sure that Nancy wasn't the only older lady who lives there. They could have gone to the wrong house on her street or even the wrong street. Again, I don't think it's likely but it could be a possibility.

 

[Simply Southern]

The guy in that Ring video looks scary. He must have been bending so he couldn't be seen through the peephole. Has a big tattoo on his neck.
He looks similar to the composite, this Houston sketch artist drew up, from Nancy's porch surveillance.

Renowned Houston forensic artist sketches her version of suspect in Nancy Guthrie's disappearance

A Houston legend picked up her pencil again — not for police, but for a missing mom. Meet the retired crime artist who couldn’t stay on the sidelines.

www.khou.com

Big resemblance !!!! Moo

 

[ArabianLover]

The book Helter Skelter made me start locking my door to the bedroom. And I read it in the 90s during summer vacation so it was a long time ago.Was paranoid for weeks! All these other crimes like the Bryan Kohberger murders just reinforce the notion that a locked bedroom door is better than an unlocked bedroom door. Takes not even a second to lock it.

Security is an insurance. It's a layer of defense. Even having lights on in the back and front and maybe a light on inside your house is powerful enough to keep an intruder away! But it's always best to go the extra mile for added security.

A couple 200lb + English Mastiffs are also a great deterrent.

 

[britinsussex]

Ring Neighbors

I cropped the capture of the man from the January 23 ring video and turned it around.

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Wow! I see so many similarities. Thanks!