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In this case she’s likely doing more harm than good. Trash in equals trash out. You can’t make something that’s even remotely accurate while using an image with a mask that almost covers the entire face. And she even says herself that she is guessing. posted up thread.

It’s as bad as the people asking AI to remove the mask and then spreading it all over social media.
I posted it basically as a human interest type story, as it came up in my new feed.

For my part, I didn't think her sketch looked at all like what I myself had imagined.
 
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I think everyone needs to move from Tucson! What the heck is going on there? Random people wandering over property in the middle of the night, it seems to happen often based on these videos. Same guy, same group?

I don’t think I could live like that.
Where would one move to?
A safe space doesn’t exist
 
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I remember some brief discussion about a large ring being possibly identified in the camera footage. Did that ever get traction or any sort of real media attention?
 
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Forgive me if this has already been deduced, but this thread is moving at warp speed and so can’t read every post. In the photo of the doorstep the lantana is lying on top of the blood. So this guy was there after her removal?
The plant matter could easily have been moved by people walking all over the area. Or possibly by the wind.
 
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I suspect most who point fingers at SIL are suggesting that he came first (to drop off Nancy) and probably had no reason to use the front door. (For example, the back door was found open.)

Then must have left NG incapacitated (on her bed perhaps) before driving back to his house where they had their game night.

Then about 2:00 AM the masked intruder (probably hired by SIL) arrived to remove poor incapacitated NG from her home. JMO

SIL's & Annie's property was searched on Feb. 7.
 
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I took screenshots from the January 23rd doorbell cam in Tucson that was linked to a few posts ago. Who knows if it’s related, but the guy really could match the NG abductor images quite well. I hope he’s being ruled in or out.
When was this posted on ring neighbors? Maybe he saw it and then stared wearing a mask? IMO His torso really looks similar to lantana man. Seems tall though
 
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I don't think so, because the blood isn't present in the doorbell camera video .
The Lantana looks very dry and it may have been blown around by the wind, and trodden on by family members / police / reporters, at any time after the blood landed.

The puzzling thing to me is why the blood doesn't appear to have been trodden on or smeared, either by nancy or the assailant.

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And also, why the blood doesn’t continue. There’s no trail. In either direction. It’s literally just in that one spot. So puzzling!
 
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As it should. In hindsight this is lunacy
Wow. I’m so tired of this Texas heat never thought I’d want to live in Arizona or any place hot — but Tucson looks beautiful. Poor Savannah — please — whoever has her mom or knows where she is — please return her or tell where she is.
 
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When was this posted on ring neighbors? Maybe he saw it and then stared wearing a mask? IMO His torso really looks similar to lantana man. Seems tall though
It was posted on the 23rd; I found the initial screenshot of the post on X. Am I allowed to post that here?
 
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She has lived in that home since the kids were young (at least) To you, it’s sketchy, to her, it would have been normal. I grew up in a rural area. I feel more comfortable there than in the suburbs at night. She probably (IMO) let it expire because she never had the need to look at it, so didn’t see the point of it. Just sharing a different point of view. My elderly mother lived in that rural home, alone. She was often asked by city folk if she felt safe there, especially at night. Her response was always, “of course” MOO
NG's neighborhood is a very safe neighborhood. I know many older single people living in similar neighborhoods in Tucson and everybody feels safe. JMO
 
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I remember some brief discussion about a large ring being possibly identified in the camera footage. Did that ever get traction or any sort of real media attention?
I haven’t seen anything in MSM only the social media stuff with this Jason guy, he has a huge ring on that hand. I hope someone can find a legitimate source and post it here.
 
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And also, why the blood doesn’t continue. There’s no trail. In either direction. It’s literally just in that one spot. So puzzling!
The blood continues off the porch. There was video posted much earlier that showed how far it went.
 
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There are 2 sides to every story. While the Sheriff certainly has his own issues, it seems that whoever the FBI person, is who is complaining about the Sheriff and working hard to be act superior to the Sheriff, has their own issues.

Pima County and the Sheriff of Pima County has jurisdiction in this case. Sheriff wanted to use the same lab that they have been using to process the other evidence so it would all be centralized. FBI person wanted to use their labs. Sheriff gets to go with what he believes is best.

Neither this FBI person or the Sheriff are without fault, but there are many competent people from both sides working on the case. JMO
Looking at how some of this investigation has been conducted ,I would say that from day I the Sheriff was wilfully neglectful in how he failed to collect evidence and seal and guard Nancy's house.
This photo says everything. The door mat has not even been removed for testing .


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There are 2 sides to every story. While the Sheriff certainly has his own issues, it seems that whoever the FBI person, is who is complaining about the Sheriff and working hard to be act superior to the Sheriff, has their own issues.

Pima County and the Sheriff of Pima County has jurisdiction in this case. Sheriff wanted to use the same lab that they have been using to process the other evidence so it would all be centralized. FBI person wanted to use their labs. Sheriff gets to go with what he believes is best.

Neither this FBI person or the Sheriff are without fault, but there are many competent people from both sides working on the case. JMO
I think all LE has done a very poor job, the processing of NG home the primary crime scene has been woeful, everybody and there dog has been able to wander onto her property at will since she has been missing, sporadic searching continues to go on days later, when one search done correctly should have been done immediately, including closing all roads, searching all properties near to her home, not having a professional media spokesperson, who is the point of contact for the media and only they give out information, every time they give a new press conference they confuse the waters more, there have been many more missteps along the way and I have been shocked at how incompetent they appear to be
 
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The blood continues off the porch. There was video posted much earlier that showed how far it went.
Yes. Porch to driveway where she was placed into a vehicle, presumably. JMO
 
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There are some images of him floating around when he has removed the glasses! And the one of his hand with the large ring.

Edit - not him floating around, the images 😂
That made me laugh! But then nothing would surprise me in this case...he will now be known as floating neighbour man 😅
 
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I remember some brief discussion about a large ring being possibly identified in the camera footage. Did that ever get traction or any sort of real media attention?
I recall it, too, but don't know.
 
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Pardon the interruption. It has been a while since I've posted and I haven't read all the pages of this thread, but I have thought from the beginning that this was a burglary gone wrong and that is just coincidence that Savannah Guthrie is involved at all.

I suspect Nancy Guthrie walked in on a burglary in progress when she was dropped off by her family and it escalated into violence or got out of hand.

I have perused some of the comments on this thread and I am with the group who feel this investigation has been lacking in certain areas, to be nice.

All of this my own personal opinion but I have been following this case with some interest and I knew I would find others at Websleuths.
 

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