• #26,241
She has lived in that home since the kids were young (at least) To you, it’s sketchy, to her, it would have been normal. I grew up in a rural area. I feel more comfortable there than in the suburbs at night. She probably (IMO) let it expire because she never had the need to look at it, so didn’t see the point of it. Just sharing a different point of view. My elderly mother lived in that rural home, alone. She was often asked by city folk if she felt safe there, especially at night. Her response was always, “of course” MOO
NG's neighborhood is a very safe neighborhood. I know many older single people living in similar neighborhoods in Tucson and everybody feels safe. JMO
 
  • #26,242
I remember some brief discussion about a large ring being possibly identified in the camera footage. Did that ever get traction or any sort of real media attention?
I haven’t seen anything in MSM only the social media stuff with this Jason guy, he has a huge ring on that hand. I hope someone can find a legitimate source and post it here.
 
  • #26,243
And also, why the blood doesn’t continue. There’s no trail. In either direction. It’s literally just in that one spot. So puzzling!
The blood continues off the porch. There was video posted much earlier that showed how far it went.
 
  • #26,244
There are 2 sides to every story. While the Sheriff certainly has his own issues, it seems that whoever the FBI person, is who is complaining about the Sheriff and working hard to be act superior to the Sheriff, has their own issues.

Pima County and the Sheriff of Pima County has jurisdiction in this case. Sheriff wanted to use the same lab that they have been using to process the other evidence so it would all be centralized. FBI person wanted to use their labs. Sheriff gets to go with what he believes is best.

Neither this FBI person or the Sheriff are without fault, but there are many competent people from both sides working on the case. JMO
Looking at how some of this investigation has been conducted ,I would say that from day I the Sheriff was wilfully neglectful in how he failed to collect evidence and seal and guard Nancy's house.
This photo says everything. The door mat has not even been removed for testing .


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There are 2 sides to every story. While the Sheriff certainly has his own issues, it seems that whoever the FBI person, is who is complaining about the Sheriff and working hard to be act superior to the Sheriff, has their own issues.

Pima County and the Sheriff of Pima County has jurisdiction in this case. Sheriff wanted to use the same lab that they have been using to process the other evidence so it would all be centralized. FBI person wanted to use their labs. Sheriff gets to go with what he believes is best.

Neither this FBI person or the Sheriff are without fault, but there are many competent people from both sides working on the case. JMO
I think all LE has done a very poor job, the processing of NG home the primary crime scene has been woeful, everybody and there dog has been able to wander onto her property at will since she has been missing, sporadic searching continues to go on days later, when one search done correctly should have been done immediately, including closing all roads, searching all properties near to her home, not having a professional media spokesperson, who is the point of contact for the media and only they give out information, every time they give a new press conference they confuse the waters more, there have been many more missteps along the way and I have been shocked at how incompetent they appear to be
 
  • #26,246
The blood continues off the porch. There was video posted much earlier that showed how far it went.
Yes. Porch to driveway where she was placed into a vehicle, presumably. JMO
 
  • #26,247
There are some images of him floating around when he has removed the glasses! And the one of his hand with the large ring.

Edit - not him floating around, the images 😂
That made me laugh! But then nothing would surprise me in this case...he will now be known as floating neighbour man 😅
 
  • #26,248
I remember some brief discussion about a large ring being possibly identified in the camera footage. Did that ever get traction or any sort of real media attention?
I recall it, too, but don't know.
 
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Pardon the interruption. It has been a while since I've posted and I haven't read all the pages of this thread, but I have thought from the beginning that this was a burglary gone wrong and that is just coincidence that Savannah Guthrie is involved at all.

I suspect Nancy Guthrie walked in on a burglary in progress when she was dropped off by her family and it escalated into violence or got out of hand.

I have perused some of the comments on this thread and I am with the group who feel this investigation has been lacking in certain areas, to be nice.

All of this my own personal opinion but I have been following this case with some interest and I knew I would find others at Websleuths.
 
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A woman ,who has been identified,ordered the pizza as a kind gesture for one of the people reporting live. I saw it live as it happened .
It was a kind gesture I agree, but the delivery driver should have never been allowed to get to the actual front door. This CS has been loosely protected (being kind) from the start IMO.

LE should have known it was likely a CS from the jump, because Nancy was reported missing, didn't show up to a usual Sunday meetup with friends, and wasn't answering her cell phone. Then there was a blood trail. Even if they thought Nancy may have wandered off, LE is trained to treat the scene as a potential crime scene until disproven.

JMO
 
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Can someone recall discussion about track marks at the front of Nancy's home? I'm trying to find it in the thread, I think around the time someone brought up a wheelchair (which we are pretty certain Nancy wasn't using).

Could those marks be from a suitcase - maybe one of her suitcases is missing? Though still seems odd considering this with the blood trail given its likely she sneezed or coughed up that blood
LE has now had a lot of vehicles on NG's driveways. Hopefully careful photos were taken on the first few days of this investigations. Track marks that look like a suitcase or wheelchair could be interesting, even though the marks could have been there from weeks before. JMO
 
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Another interview with Jason here, he had a ‘premonition’ that it is the SIL. This is so suspicious to me.


I’m still smarting from jumping on the Tepe friends who it seemed one of them walked like, another had habitual hat adjusting motions like, one wore Chelsea type boots like, and another appeared to look like the suspect from the slight glimpse of facial features we had, as shown on the video released of the suspected killer only to find out it was nowhere near those guys.

Sooo it seems lots of folks look and have features like other folks!



All imo
 
  • #26,253
I think everyone needs to move from Tucson! What the heck is going on there? Random people wandering over property in the middle of the night, it seems to happen often based on these videos. Same guy, same group?

I don’t think I could live like that.
This happens in many big cities. This is why you lock your gates if you have them, have cameras, dogs, fencing....like you would in any big city. IMO No it's not the same guy, same group. There is a huge homeless population here, most harmless, most in their own world dealing with their own issues IMO, since I work with them.
No I'm not going to move from Tucson where my family is, where I've grown up, and where I've raised my kids, and where I've been able to finally buy my own home. I have never feared for my life here.
 
  • #26,254
Thanks for this. Very helpful to see a realistic view of the area surrounding her home. I'm hopeful answers come soon.

I appreciate you trying to learn more about the method and place of entry into NG's home because to me it seems like such a wild card question, given how large the home is, it's all one floor - who's to say the perps even went through a door? Could have been a window. Or multiple entry points. I don't think we even know if she has a security system and if so, how it operates (just movement in the home, just open/closing doors, windows?, was it on that night in its full capacity? sometimes people leave them off - she's lived there decades or forget especially after a late night). Broken into or keys/codes used? Entries already unlocked? Happens a lot where I grew up, less likely in Tucson I would imagine.

The weirdest thing about the Nest cam footage we've seen, to me/MOO, is that they were even at the front door, given all the other possibilities.
I would really like to see the inside of that house. It looks huge. Especially for one person.
 
  • #26,255
That's not her neighbor he says he lives 15 minutes away. Why are you even there, sir? Just a Lookie-Lou wanting to be interviewed...SMH
Yes, the living 15 minutes away negates the neighbor aspect.
 
  • #26,256
It was a kind gesture I agree, but the delivery driver should have never been allowed to get to the actual front door. This CS has been loosely protected from the start IMO.

LE should have known it was likely a CS from the jump, because Nancy was reported missing, didn't show up to a usual Sunday meetup with friends, and wasn't answering her cell phone. Then there was a blood trail. Even if they thought Nancy may have wandered off, LE is trained to treat the scene as a potential crime scene until disproven.

JMO
When LE went to NG's house when she was reported missing, LE immediately knew it was a crime scene and closed off the property for an investigation of a crime. MOO
 
  • #26,257
It was a kind gesture I agree, but the delivery driver should have never been allowed to get to the actual front door. This CS has been loosely protected from the start IMO.

LE should have known it was likely a CS from the jump, because Nancy was reported missing, didn't show up to a usual Sunday meetup with friends, and wasn't answering her cell phone. Then there was a blood trail. Even if they thought Nancy may have wandered off, LE is trained to treat the scene as a potential crime scene until disproven.

JMO
I absolutely agree. The whole house and garden should have been taped off and only forensic officers permitted to enter . It really is criminal negligence to have not done that.
 
  • #26,258
I think everyone needs to move from Tucson! What the heck is going on there? Random people wandering over property in the middle of the night, it seems to happen often based on these videos. Same guy, same group?

I don’t think I could live like that.
I don’t know where you live, but here in Los Angeles, this is incredibly common. Any warm climate tends to have a large population of unhoused people. Many of those people have severe drug addiction issues or mental illness, and they wander around at night. I have had two separate instances at my house, which is in a nice and safe part of Los Angeles. I had a woman come to my front door at 2:30 AM. And I had a man wandering around my backyard in the dark at 9 PM one night. Both on camera. There was no attempt whatsoever to enter my house either time.

They are mostly harmless. Unfortunately, it’s just part of living in a warm climate with a population of people who refuse housing at every opportunity.
 
  • #26,259
I suspect most who point fingers at SIL are suggesting that he came first (to drop off Nancy) and probably had no reason to use the front door. (For example, the back door was found open.)

Then must have left NG incapacitated (on her bed perhaps) before driving back to his house where they had their game night.

Then quite some time passed until the second perp (hired by SIL) arrived to remove poor incapacitated NG from her home. JMO

SIL's & Annie's property was searched on Feb. 7.
 
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And also, why the blood doesn’t continue. There’s no trail. In either direction. It’s literally just in that one spot. So puzzling!
Quick grab of a source more on media thread:

The blood trail went from the front entrance of the home to the edge of the driveway, Fox News Digital learned.
Fox News


all imo
 
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