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I agree completely.

I was wondering about the neighbor's camera and the fact he/she said that period of time was unaccounted for or the camera wasn't operating.

My thought was that this theoretical jammer jammed not only the WiFi but the cell service between Ring (or whatever camera service) and the provider's network.
From what I have learned by looking online is that the portable signal jammers that also block cell service are generally good for only a very short distance on the cellar service spectrum . And signal service strength of the cell service plays a huge factor. Phones or devices that have 3-4 bars of service have a very low likelihood of being affected compared to a device with only 1-2 bars of service.

As far as wifi goes the range reaches further but not significantly. And there are many factors that come into play such as objects, think trees, cacti, brush, buildings, walls etc.

They definitely wouldn't have the ability to effect multiple homes wifi at more than one location specifically in that neighborhood where homes are secluded and spread out.

I feel like there's a much simpler explanation here. MOO
 
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Awfully high up! Did the perp climb up there? How did he turn electricity off? If you are assuming it was turned off, I am asking by what means did he get get up there to access it? Not buying any disruption of electricity. JMO
I don’t know if anyone knows if it has a lock on it? Could the lock have been cut off? He would be pretty familiar with the house in order to do this, right? Or someone who did work there would know about this, roofer, landscaper, etc.?
 
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Michael Ruiz @mikerreports
Couple of nuggets from
@morganwright_us
, an expert on this issue:A jammer doesn't just turn off your Wi-Fi, it interferes with it, potentially causing glitching and lag, until its close enough to wash out the source:"As you get closer with the jammer, the signal starts getting interfered with. The closer you get to the source of the signal emination, which is the router with the Wi-Fi access point, then you might get a total blackout."And if a jammer was used, it doesn't appear to have impacted Nancy's Nest doorbell camera:"If they were using Wi-Fi jammers, then I would expect that we would not be able to see any video from the front door cameras."
 
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Wifi jammers have a fairly short range, especially the type you can carry around in your pocket. They won't knock out an entire neighborhood. They might not even knock out an entire home system, just the parts nearest the jammer. Think 50-100 feet or so, depending on model and power. That part could be important in this case.

They are also illegal for anyone to own, sell, or operate under federal law. Since they work by flooding the typical wifi bands of 2.4GHz/5GHz with noise, they can also be detected as they leave an unmistakable signature.

Think of it like a digital hurricane. Nothing else can be heard over it.

This is why EVERY home security system needs to include a hard wired ethernet component to complement wireless. Criminals are increasingly using jammers, which unfortunately aren't that hard to find if you are truly determined, regardless of the fact that they are strictly illegal.

A camera that is hardwired to the router and goes through a cable is unaffected by any jammer, and will record to the cloud, send notifications to your phone, and continue to operate normally even in the case of a jammer attack. Some even detect jammer attacks (because of a sudden flood of information on 2.4 or 5 GHz bands which can ONLY be a jammer).

Everyone should know this for their own security. ANY wireless camera is pretty easy to take offline by these criminals.

Now, if only the one camera on the neighbor's house closest to NG's house was affected that is solid evidence of a portable jammer. It could also explain why cameras reportedly went offline yet captured images later on.

As the perp walked around the house the radius of the jammer would move as well, causing its effects to travel. It would also suggest where the perp was and when, as most systems will tell you in the event log when exactly they went offline.

Moral of this story: install hard wired cameras. They are harder to install but jammer proof.

All of this means this is more likely to be a lone perp. Walkie talkie suggests a second person. Wifi jammer doesn't move the needle either way, but it doesn't support a second person the way coms would.
Very helpful information, but if hardwired, they could cut the wires, correct?
 
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I am guessing some family photos for sure. I am also going to refer you to that Instagram video SG posted of an old home movie showing her mom and AG and herself. It was odd and seemed out of place. I initially chalked it up to grieving. However, I then thought this was like an acknowledgement from SG that perhaps a corresponding still photo was missing from the home. I cannot find it anywhere I look. It was online and on TV. Anyone know where to look? JMO
This one? 2.7M views · 188K reactions | our lovely mom. 💛 we will never give up on her. thank you for your prayers and hope. | Savannah Guthrie
 
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Back to the basics:
1. A video/photo review of Lantana guy shows that when he reaches for and pulls out a handful of Lantana - he used his left hand.
2. A video/phot review of Lantana guy shows that he used his left hand when he adjusted/or touched his gun.
4. Is Lantana guy left handed? Food for thought.
3. Pictures of Nancy's home show Lantana bushes on both sides of her walkway. Lantana guy goes right (as he is facing the street) to grab the plant material, with his left hand, and he looks to the right (as he is facing the street) as if to see if anyone on that side of the home might see him. He does not look to the left to check. I think if one looks left from Nancy's front entrance, that this would be westerly. If this is correct, Lantana man looks to the east, not to the west. Is he not concerned about anyone seeing him from the west side of Nancy's home?
4. Bite lights are also used by lock smiths, in addition to other types of contractors.
5. Lock smith companies sometimes also provide hi-tech security solutions if they are in the lock and security business and sometimes they sell safes too. If such businesses offer hi-tech security then an employee could figure out wi-fi/internet blocking.
6. Back to Lantana Guy - he looks pretty comfortable in such a dark, remote area where a normal person would be naturally scared. This does not necessarily mean that he is an experienced criminal. Rather, it could mean that he is very comfortable in the area and/or he has the type of job where he is out and about working night jobs - maybe lock smith and/or security work where he would know how to comfortably use a bite-light and know how to block internet/wi-fi.
 
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I think it's interesting that this information is just now coming to light.
I’m thinking that too, does it mean something is going to happen soon? What would they share this publicly?
 
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I’m thinking that too, does it mean something is going to happen soon? What would they share this publicly?
Honestly, I believe media is sharing this because they were following up on yesterday's visit to the neighborhood. The neighbors likely told them.
 
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There's a 20 foot wide easement that runs behind Nancy's house. I would guess somewhere back there is the main connection that supplies internet cable/fiber to all the houses on her block and also behind her. The suspect could have disconnected it at the source if he knew what he was doing. That would explain the whole neighborhood going out more so than a consumer-grade signal jammer that you could get off Amazon or Temu or even make at home. But it doesn't quite make sense because at some point the doorbell camera had to reconnect to the Internet and send the footage to Google's Nest servers. That would suggest two suspects. The FBI should get the WiFi router logs from all the neighbors-- it would be easy to see if the signal was jammed from that.
 
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Wifi jammers have a fairly short range, especially the type you can carry around in your pocket. They won't knock out an entire neighborhood. They might not even knock out an entire home system, just the parts nearest the jammer. Think 50-100 feet or so, depending on model and power. That part could be important in this case.

They are also illegal for anyone to own, sell, or operate under federal law. Since they work by flooding the typical wifi bands of 2.4GHz/5GHz with noise, they can also be detected as they leave an unmistakable signature.

Think of it like a digital hurricane. Nothing else can be heard over it.

This is why EVERY home security system needs to include a hard wired ethernet component to complement wireless. Criminals are increasingly using jammers, which unfortunately aren't that hard to find if you are truly determined, regardless of the fact that they are strictly illegal.

A camera that is hardwired to the router and goes through a cable is unaffected by any jammer, and will record to the cloud, send notifications to your phone, and continue to operate normally even in the case of a jammer attack. Some even detect jammer attacks (because of a sudden flood of information on 2.4 or 5 GHz bands which can ONLY be a jammer).

Everyone should know this for their own security. ANY wireless camera is pretty easy to take offline by these criminals.

Now, if only the one camera on the neighbor's house closest to NG's house was affected that is solid evidence of a portable jammer. It could also explain why cameras reportedly went offline yet captured images later on.

As the perp walked around the house the radius of the jammer would move as well, causing its effects to travel. It would also suggest where the perp was and when, as most systems will tell you in the event log when exactly they went offline.

Moral of this story: install hard wired cameras. They are harder to install but jammer proof.

All of this means this is more likely to be a lone perp. Walkie talkie suggests a second person. Wifi jammer doesn't move the needle either way, but it doesn't support a second person the way coms would.
Having the cameras installed up high enough is the best defense against the wires being cut.
 
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Sorry had to check the source so now re-posting, this is from a reporter from Newsnation.


"From the Phoenix PD on my inquiry:

Hi Laura,

Below is the response to your request referencing location: grand canal trail 28th street

Response:

Around 7:40 a.m., officers responded to the area of 2100 North 27th Place regarding an unknown trouble. Details on the call indicated that an adult female was on the nearby canal bank and was unresponsive. When officers arrived, they located the woman, who was ultimately pronounced deceased on scene. Detectives have responded to assume the death investigation. Additional details related to this incident remain part of the ongoing investigation."
 
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🌟Apologies if this has already been posted.
It downplays the WIFI jammer theory:


Nancy Guthrie disappearance: FBI questions neighbors about tech lead as search hits day 34

 
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How close to Nancy's home?
Assuming that these are the neighbours with the dog who have been letting BE park in their driveway, I'm pretty sure they're on the same street, but not sure how far down
 
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Um, an AC unit is right under it.

I am not asking you to buy it.

I am of the opinion that the electricity COULD have been disrupted.
Look at the people in the photo. Look at the A/C unit. Look at the height of the circuit breaker. Standing on the A/C unit would still not bring perp to circuit breaker, imo
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Honestly, I believe media is sharing this because they were following up on yesterday's visit to the neighborhood. The neighbors likely told them.
This is from yesterday when the FBI were questioning neighbors. This is where the antagonist lives. She would not allow them into her home, so they had to go around to talk to her over a wall in her backyard, I believe. This home is listed as vacant and/ or a short term rental, is lists the owners name, but I won’t include that (male), a name I’m not familiar with.
 
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🌟Apologies if this has already been posted.
It downplays the WIFI jammer theory:


Nancy Guthrie disappearance: FBI questions neighbors about tech lead as search hits day 34

"If they were using Wi-Fi jammers, then I would expect that we would not be able to see any video from the front door cameras," Wright told Fox News Digital.

This Google article goes counter to that, assuming NG had one of the mentioned models (don't think we know that for sure)
 
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Having the cameras installed up high enough is the best defense against the wires being cut.

Yup. It's all about making it hard for the criminal.

I have some wireless ones still for extra range, but the wired are the backbone.
 
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