NC - Officer, several others dead at Raleigh active shooting scene, 13 Oct 2022 *suspect is a minor*

[YaYa_521]

Message from WCPSS Board Chair Lindsay Mahaffey and Superintendent Catty Moore

www.wcpss.net

MESSAGE FROM WCPSS BOARD CHAIR LINDSAY MAHAFFEY AND SUPERINTENDENT CATTY MOORE​

Wake County Public School System Families and Staff,

On Thursday evening, Oct. 13, our community endured a terrible tragedy.

Five lives were taken in a senseless act of violence in northeastern Raleigh near the Neuse River Greenway, including one of our own students. Two others were injured. The shooter was taken into custody with life-threatening injuries.

Like you, we are shocked, saddened and broken-hearted. Our hearts go out to the victims’ loved ones, and our community continues to seek answers around this tragedy and solutions to prevent such unspeakable events in the future.

As we all work to make sense of this, our utmost concern as always is how our students, families and staff are doing. That is why we want to provide you with information and resources that can help you talk to students, along with some resources for our staff.

Our Student Support Services teams are available at our schools to talk to your child and offer as much support as possible. Please do not hesitate to reach out to those who can help.

Following are some resources and suggestions for families and staff:

Tips for supporting students in times of trauma:

• Parents, caregivers and adults need to first deal with and assess their own responses to crisis and stress.
• Try and keep routines as normal as possible.
• Young people gain security from the predictability of routine, including attending school.
• Reassure children that adults care for them and are focused on keeping them safe.
• Create time to listen and be available to talk.
• Be honest with young people and share with them as much information as they are developmentally able to handle.

Resources

• American School Counselor Association
• Talking to Children About Violence: Tips for Parents and Teachers. (2022)

This is a time for all of us to come together and support each other. We will get through this time, and we will be a stronger community as a result. Please continue to seek help where needed, and take care of yourselves and each other.

Sincerely,
Lindsay Mahaffey, Board Chair
Catty Q. Moore, Superintendent


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Familias y personal del Sistema de Escuelas Públicas del Condado Wake,

El jueves 13 de octubre por la noche, nuestra comunidad sufrió una terrible tragedia.

Cinco vidas fueron arrebatadas en un acto de violencia sin sentido en el noreste de Raleigh cerca de Neuse River Greenway, incluido uno de nuestros propios estudiantes. Otros dos resultaron heridos. El tirador fue detenido con lesiones potencialmente mortales.

Al igual que usted, estamos conmocionados, tristes y con el corazón roto. Nuestros corazones están con los seres queridos de las víctimas, y nuestra comunidad continúa buscando respuestas en torno a esta tragedia y soluciones para evitar eventos tan indescriptibles en el futuro.

Mientras todos trabajamos para dar sentido a esto, nuestra mayor preocupación, como siempre, es cómo les está yendo a nuestros estudiantes, familias y personal. Es por eso que deseamos brindarle información y recursos que pueden ayudarlo a hablar con los estudiantes, junto con algunos recursos para nuestro personal.

Nuestros equipos de Servicios de Apoyo Estudiantil están disponibles en nuestras escuelas para hablar con su hijo y ofrecerle el mayor apoyo posible. Por favor, no dude en comunicarse con aquellos que pueden ayudar.

Los siguientes son algunos recursos y sugerencias para las familias y el personal:

Consejos para apoyar a los estudiantes en tiempos de trauma:

• Los padres, cuidadores y adultos primero deben lidiar y evaluar sus propias respuestas a la crisis y el estrés.
• Trate de mantener las rutinas lo más normal posible.
• Los jóvenes obtienen seguridad de la previsibilidad de la rutina, incluida la asistencia a la escuela.
• Asegúreles a los niños que los adultos se preocupan por ellos y se enfocan en mantenerlos a salvo.
• Crea tiempo para escuchar y estar disponible para hablar.
• Sea honesto con los jóvenes y comparta con ellos toda la información que puedan manejar según su desarrollo.

Recursos

• Asociación Americana de Consejeros Escolares
• Hablar con los niños sobre la violencia: consejos para padres y maestros. (2022)

Este es un momento para que todos nos unamos y nos apoyemos unos a otros. Superaremos este momento y, como resultado, seremos una comunidad más fuerte. Continúen buscando ayuda donde sea necesario y cuídense a sí mismos y a los demás.


Atentamente,
Lindsay Mahaffey, Board Chair
Catty Q. Moore, Superintendent

 

[athenna]

I don’t see anyone talking about this, but apart from the brother and the police, all of the victims are middle-aged women and I don’t think this is a coincidence.

JMO but I think we will find that like most of these shootings, the motive is tied to some deeply held misogyny.

 

[cujenn81]

NC Raleigh mass shooting: Family, friends mourn victims killed

Five people died and two others were critically injured Thursday evening in a mass shooting in Raleigh.

abc11.com

List of victims

• Nicole Connors, 52
• Susan Karnatz, 49
• Mary Marshall, 35
• Gabriel Torres, 29
• James Thompson, 16

These two others were injured and remain at WakeMed:

• Marcille Gardner, 59
• The 15-year-old shooting suspect

Two of the victims were police officers.

Did the shooter live in one of the townhomes on Osprey Cove where the shooting started?

I heard LE say “I’ve got the 16-year-old and need medical. Repeat, 16-year-old down” on the scanner yesterday. (Or something very similar.) I wondered at the time how the officer knew the age of the person down. It makes sense now that I know the 16-year-old was the brother of the shooter. I’m guessing that LE knew the suspect’s name at that point and were specifically at his residence to account for known family members.

I also heard them say something about booby traps and a bomb truck at one point. I don’t know if they were saying they’d discovered traps at his residence or if someone had reported a rumor or the possibility that he set traps or if it was something else entirely. (There were several different agencies—both LE and fire/rescue—using the same channel, so it wasn’t always clear who was where and what was what.)

 

[airportwoman]

I don’t see anyone talking about this, but apart from the brother and the police, all of the victims are middle-aged women and I don’t think this is a coincidence.

JMO but I think we will find that like most of these shootings, the motive is tied to some deep misogyny.

That's possible, but it's also likely that he simply shot the first people he saw, and they happened to be women.

 

[Kakidoll]

I foresee a LOT more of this now. The Stoneman Douglass verdict has kids thinking they are invincible now. He admitted what he did, planned it out, and STILL got life. Dozens of schools in FL after that verdict had threats of shooters within hours. It was a well planned out 'attack' of Florida High schools and wasted a TON of Emergency response teams. Nothing was found, at least at our school... but kids are brazen now. Even more so. This has to stop. I've read from teens. 'Well, he'll have food, tv, sports, internet, etc.... and never have to pay for any of it... " WOW, just wow.

 

[iridized]

I heard LE say “I’ve got the 16-year-old and need medical. Repeat, 16-year-old down” on the scanner yesterday. (Or something very similar.) I wondered at the time how the officer knew the age of the person down. It makes sense now that I know the 16-year-old was the brother of the shooter. I’m guessing that LE knew the suspect’s name at that point and were specifically at his residence to account for known family members.

I also heard them say something about booby traps and a bomb truck at one point. I don’t know if they were saying they’d discovered traps at his residence or if someone had reported a rumor or the possibility that he set traps or if it was something else entirely. (There were several different agencies—both LE and fire/rescue—using the same channel, so it wasn’t always clear who was where and what was what.)

I heard the same on the scanner. And something about the wires from the electrical box being pulled out. That was after someone was sent to that house to look for a picture. "Maybe on a wall". The brother was found in a bathroom per the scanner. I am wondering if someone who called in to the police recognized him as he was shooting in the street. Or at least knew what house he lived in.

 

[iridized]

I foresee a LOT more of this now. The Stoneman Douglass verdict has kids thinking they are invincible now. He admitted what he did, planned it out, and STILL got life. Dozens of schools in FL after that verdict had threats of shooters within hours. It was a well planned out 'attack' of Florida High schools and wasted a TON of Emergency response teams. Nothing was found, at least at our school... but kids are brazen now. Even more so. This has to stop. I've read from teens. 'Well, he'll have food, tv, sports, internet, etc.... and never have to pay for any of it... " WOW, just wow.

Schools have been having threats of shooters every day, even before this verdict.

 

[lonetraveler]

I am local to this, living in the greater RDU area, and have just come here, as we have been saturated with local coverage since this first began yesterday evening. <modsnip> Does anyone know if type of weapon has been confirmed?

Prayers to all the families impacted by yet another senseless act of violence, and to the entire community.

I just jumped on here for update. Has weapon been identified?

 

[cujenn81]

Schools have been having threats of shooters every day, even before this verdict.

I was just about to post this. There were swatting calls made to nearly every school in my district last week. One of those dumb and dangerous TikTok challenges is currently going around or something.

 

[FlyerFan28]

i live in a "nice" area of charlotte, nc - but i don't feel as safe as i should, when alone in my small yard.

I also live in a nice area of Charlotte, but bad things can happen anywhere. My dad lives in a nice part of Raleigh.

 

[aaron44]

I also live in a nice area of Charlotte, but bad things can happen anywhere. My dad lives in a nice part of Raleigh.

Every part of Raleigh and Wake County is nice.

 

[elisimo]

That's possible, but it's also likely that he simply shot the first people he saw, and they happened to be women.

Agree. Sounds like he snapped, shot the brother, then went on a rampage. Probably the majority of people on the Greenway at that time happened to be middle-aged women. Definitely not ruling out misogyny, but I think opportunity was more at play. But how terrifying.

 

[elisimo]

“Patterson said Austin Thompson was in critical condition at WakeMed. Sources tell WRAL News that Austin Thompson has multiple injuries, including a gunshot wound to the head.“

I wonder if the GSW to the head was self-inflicted, or if it came from law enforcement.

 

[SteveP]

“Patterson said Austin Thompson was in critical condition at WakeMed. Sources tell WRAL News that Austin Thompson has multiple injuries, including a gunshot wound to the head.“

I wonder if the GSW to the head was self-inflicted, or if it came from law enforcement.

Hard to say, but I would think perhaps self-inflicted. I think most firearms trainers teach to shoot at an assailant's center mass. JMO

In the words of firearms trainer Ron Avery, himself a championship shooter, head of the Practical Shooting Academy and a member of the Force Science Technical Advisory Board, shooting for an assailant’s center mass is usually considered the most effective first option because the upper torso combines a concentration of vital areas and major blood vessels within the body’s largest target. “When the risk of failure is death, an officer needs the highest percentage chance of success he can get,” Everett notes.

Shooting to wound: Why it doesn’t make sense scientifically, legally, or tactically

Shooting to wound might seem like a humane option, but this article explains why it’s not viable based on science, law, and tactics

www.police1.com

 

[caradana]

I foresee a LOT more of this now. The Stoneman Douglass verdict has kids thinking they are invincible now. He admitted what he did, planned it out, and STILL got life. Dozens of schools in FL after that verdict had threats of shooters within hours. It was a well planned out 'attack' of Florida High schools and wasted a TON of Emergency response teams. Nothing was found, at least at our school... but kids are brazen now. Even more so. This has to stop. I've read from teens. 'Well, he'll have food, tv, sports, internet, etc.... and never have to pay for any of it... " WOW, just wow.

Will be curious to see if the shooter‘s digital forensic records show any awareness of Parkland. Am going to guess that they will not, but uncommon and revealing if in fact they do.

 

[caradana]

“Patterson said Austin Thompson was in critical condition at WakeMed. Sources tell WRAL News that Austin Thompson has multiple injuries, including a gunshot wound to the head.“

I wonder if the GSW to the head was self-inflicted, or if it came from law enforcement.

For the sake of the hearts and minds and PTSD-risks of all involved law enforcement, I very much hope this was not a bullet from an officer. Even if it was the right and prudent move given the situation, still an extraordinarily emotional load to have to live with.

 

[caradana]

If this weapon was legally acquired by his parents and then unsecured in the home, I challenge us all to have the fundamental discussion about that. We are a country in mental-health crisis particularly post-COVID. Such a difficult but important topic. Will be very interested in what eventually factually comes to light regarding the origin of this gun.

 

[acutename]

I don’t see anyone talking about this, but apart from the brother and the police, all of the victims are middle-aged women and I don’t think this is a coincidence.

JMO but I think we will find that like most of these shootings, the motive is tied to some deeply held misogyny.

the off duty police man he shot was not in uniform so I suspect that he just shot whomever he saw

 

[Elley Mae]

One of the victims killed was an off-duty Raleigh police officer, Gabriel Torres, 29, who was on his way to work, authorities said.

A juvenile suspect is in custody after a shooting leaves 5 dead, at least 2 wounded in Raleigh, North Carolina, police say | CNN

A 15-year-old suspect is in custody after five people were killed and at least two others wounded in a mass shooting Thursday in Raleigh that North Carolina's governor called a "moment of unspeakable agony."

www.cnn.com

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With him on his way to work I assumed he was in his cruiser &
Uniform.
Seeing that is for Greensboro. In Md they drive cruiser home.

N.C. city allows cops to take their cruisers home for 'competitive edge' in recruitment

Police Chief Brian James said that such a program would increase police visibility in the community

www.police1.com

 

[Stunned]

One of the victims killed was an off-duty Raleigh police officer, Gabriel Torres, 29, who was on his way to work, authorities said.

A juvenile suspect is in custody after a shooting leaves 5 dead, at least 2 wounded in Raleigh, North Carolina, police say | CNN

A 15-year-old suspect is in custody after five people were killed and at least two others wounded in a mass shooting Thursday in Raleigh that North Carolina's governor called a "moment of unspeakable agony."

www.cnn.com

….

With him on his way to work I assumed he was in his cruiser &
Uniform.
Seeing that is for Greensboro. In Md they drive cruiser home.

N.C. city allows cops to take their cruisers home for 'competitive edge' in recruitment

Police Chief Brian James said that such a program would increase police visibility in the community

www.police1.com

I read somewhere that he was not dressed for work and in his own personal car.