GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #10

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  • #861
The comments made by lead detective Jeff Locklear, broadcast on the Today show in June, surely sounded like Nick is still the focus of the investigation. He said Nick has valuable information about where she is (pretty incriminating that Nick isn't divulging this) and that the texts and calls she made after leaving the bar weighed heavily on what happened and how she felt about who she was with (sounds like Nick's behavior after they left the bar was worrying her).


CHILI---- Here are some other helpful transcripts form the CNN interviews:


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Since Kelli disappeared ten days ago -- we`re going to give you the timeline. She disappeared at 1:20 in the morning. That was the last time she was seen. She wasn`t reported missing until two days later when she didn`t show up for duty at Fort Bragg. You just heard that.

So here`s my concern, and I`ll go back to Mike Bordeaux who we`re speaking to exclusively -- this is the missing soldier`s husband. There`s more than 48 hours between when she was last seen and when she was reported missing and the problem with that is somebody could have driven 1,000 miles in that time and come back to Fayetteville.

So do you have -- have police told you where Nicholas Holbert was, let`s say, that day Saturday or that day Sunday?

BORDEAUX: Was I aware that he was with her?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: No, I`m saying, in other words, from the time she disappeared to the time she was reported missing it`s more than 48 hours. That gives anybody who took her tremendous leeway to get away.

So given that this is the guy who was last seen, Nicholas Holbert, has anybody heard either Mike or Matt from law enforcement as to what he was doing after he claims he dropped her off for the next couple of days?

BORDEAUX: No. I mean, we haven`t heard anything. I mean, supposedly he was the last one to see her, you know? The last time I even talked to her was Friday afternoon and you know, we were just talking and texting and everything was fine, and I just let her go for the rest of the day because, you know. She has friends and she does things and I was in Florida visiting my parents so I didn`t think anything of it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mike, let me ask you this question. Have you ever been to the Froggy Bottoms; it`s the bar near the apartment complex where - -

BORDEAUX: Yes. I know it`s the bar. I`ve never been there. Me and Kelli never went together. We didn`t even go to bars to together. I mean the closest bar we would ever go to is Buffalo Wild Wings. And we don`t even drink beer; we`ll just have a couple of wings and you know, take home -- take the rest home.
( This is a bit of B.S. Kelli was a regular to heavy drinker)


And we`ve never been to Froggy Bottoms together. I`ve never been by myself. I don`t know this Nick guy.
 
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http://fayobserver.com/articles/2012/04/23/1173168?sac=fo.local
article dated April 24

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NC NC - Fort Bragg soldier PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #5 /thread 5, #184 dated April 23

The article on the Web must be updated and then they change the date.



Matt Hanson, Kelli's brother speaks out about the text messages.
This is the first time the content of a second text message is mentioned.

Matt says Kelli's friend from Florida visited her in NC, a week or two before she disappeared
(why are the dates so vague - should be easy to pinpoint when Justin was in NC and when he left).

The first text message said 'got home safely' was received by Justin 'the morning she disappeared'. (no time given)

The other text, also received by Justin, said that she was getting a ride home with a man.
That text was sent about AN HOUR BEFORE the 'got home safely' text was sent.

Notice that the first text message would really be that she's getting a ride home with a man. Then the second text is, 'got home safely'.

If it's true there's about an hour between KB's texts, whoever sent that "got home safely" text miscalculated because KB should have made it home within 15 min. An hour later? Hinky.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7832491&postcount=109/thread 6,#109

Here's where we learn that Kelli's boss contacted Mike first and then Mike called Olivia, her sister, to inquire when she last spoke to Kelli.



Thanks for posting this, I was wondering did MB's phone records get verified by LE if he received KB's calls on Friday & the call from Ft Bragg call in Florida ?

Also, when Nick claimed Kelli was "spooked" and got out of his car, that sounds like a pretty creative explanation from Nick to give credence to his alibi. And for this reason, I'm not 100% sure Nick was the perp. It really makes me believe someone spooked or startled Kelli or she saw a familiar car waiting parked nearby up the street waiting for her to come home.

What really puzzles me, since Kelli, Nick, Justin, and someone other guy all met together about two weeks prior to Kelli going missing, I'm thinking Nick had to know some of Kelli's marriage issues with MB. And having spent maybe 3-5 hours at Froggy's and drinking fairly heavily at Froggy's, Kelli must've spilled her guts , concerns about these problems to Nick as a shoulder to cry on.

What also makes me scratch my head is WHY did Kelli leave Froggy's without paying her $28 bar bill??? Did she flat out forget by being too drunk? That seemed way out of character for her IMO. Maybe Nick said he'd take care of the bar tab when he got back to Froggy''s and Kelli would pay him back? Because the LE apartment search at Kelli's they saw her purse, car and apartment keys there? Maybee she forget her money too when leaving for Froggy's when Nick picked her up.

Did Nick notice Kelli had her purse, keys with her on Friday night?

What were Nick's whereabouts thru the remainder of the weekend, Monday?

After MB got the Ft Bragg call Monday morning, how long did it take him to get to NC?

Where did MB stay when he got to NC?

Are there security cameras at the Bordeaux's apartment complex?
 
  • #863
I believe whoever the perp is, Nick or someone else, they saw/heard incoming calls on Kelli's cellphone....the last call was probably something like..."Did you make it home yet?"

So the natural response would confirm that with "Got in Safely"

Maybe Kelli actually did respond back with the last known text and she was close to the apartment or at the front entrance door.

I believe that's when she was ambushed by surprise by the perp or was walking with the perp, whom she knew, to the front entrance .
 
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Well, it looks like NH has found a new home for the next 1--2 years. He's now a Warren Correctional and is in medium custody.

Thanks Borndem! Looks like he'll be out in about 7 months. According to the inmate record:

Projected Release Date: 06/30/2013
 
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Thanks for posting this, I was wondering did MB's phone records get verified by LE if he received KB's calls on Friday & the call from Ft Bragg call in Florida ?

Also, when Nick claimed Kelli was "spooked" and got out of his car, that sounds like a pretty creative explanation from Nick to give credence to his alibi. And for this reason, I'm not 100% sure Nick was the perp. It really makes me believe someone spooked or startled Kelli or she saw a familiar car waiting parked nearby up the street waiting for her to come home.

What really puzzles me, since Kelli, Nick, Justin, and someone other guy all met together about two weeks prior to Kelli going missing, I'm thinking Nick had to know some of Kelli's marriage issues with MB. And having spent maybe 3-5 hours at Froggy's and drinking fairly heavily at Froggy's, Kelli must've spilled her guts , concerns about these problems to Nick as a shoulder to cry on.

What also makes me scratch my head is WHY did Kelli leave Froggy's without paying her $28 bar bill??? Did she flat out forget by being too drunk? That seemed way out of character for her IMO. Maybe Nick said he'd take care of the bar tab when he got back to Froggy''s and Kelli would pay him back? Because the LE apartment search at Kelli's they saw her purse, car and apartment keys there? Maybee she forget her money too when leaving for Froggy's when Nick picked her up.

Did Nick notice Kelli had her purse, keys with her on Friday night?

What were Nick's whereabouts thru the remainder of the weekend, Monday?

After MB got the Ft Bragg call Monday morning, how long did it take him to get to NC?

Where did MB stay when he got to NC?

Are there security cameras at the Bordeaux's apartment complex?

Lots of good questions!
Regarding what I place in bold red: The odds are high that whomever took her is someone amongst this group who had last contact, and the odd go very high for the last person to be with her (okay no rocket science needed to figure that out) and even higher IMO when that person distances himself by saying he dropped her off but didn't wait to see she arrived in apt safely.

Now add to this that she owed her bar tab and had left her purse in her apt (as you pointed out!)
So, wouldn't she have offered to go in and get money to pay it... unless she was so out of it she didn't know what was going on - an hence would appear perhaps very tempting/ vulnerable to being taken advantage of sexually?!

ETA: Can imagine it being a classic case of him doing something to her thinking she's out of it, but she regains consciousness and gets mad, a fight begins, he panics because he knows he has a record....
 
  • #867
Thanks Borndem! Looks like he'll be out in about 7 months. According to the inmate record:

Projected Release Date: 06/30/2013

Yep, 7 months. Typical sentence calculation, isn't it, Mad74? The usual calculation of the sentence is about 3/4 of the minimum sentence.

Well, he'll have his own bed, and the place is heated and has lights & running water -- he may be in a dormitory, who knoze? But it's better than a sleeping bag on the ground -- winter is coming, ya know, and he'll have free meals and a hot shower. But no walk in the woods, no truck, no bar, no babes, no booze, no children, no freedom. Pity.
 
  • #868
Lots of good questions!
Regarding what I place in bold red: The odds are high that whomever took her is someone amongst this group who had last contact, and the odd go very high for the last person to be with her (okay no rocket science needed to figure that out) and even higher IMO when that person distances himself by saying he dropped her off but didn't wait to see she arrived in apt safely.

Now add to this that she owed her bar tab and had left her purse in her apt (as you pointed out!)
So, wouldn't she have offered to go in and get money to pay it... unless she was so out of it she didn't know what was going on - an hence would appear perhaps very tempting/ vulnerable to being taken advantage of sexually?!

ETA: Can imagine it being a classic case of him doing something to her thinking she's out of it, but she regains consciousness and gets mad, a fight begins, he panics because he knows he has a record....



STEVE---

1. The Million dollar questions to me are who can veirify Nick's whereabouts from Saturday morning to Monday.

2. It's been rumored Nick had access to possibly an extra car compliments of Froggy's owner. So what car did Nick drive? Was that car checked out, tested by the criminalists, forensics for DNA?

3. When MB got the call from the Ft Bragg officials on Monday, it was said in a post that MB told the military "Got Home Safely" was on her cell phone? So if we've assumed all along Justin was the recipient of Kelli's all night texting, how did MB know this last text?

4. Did Kelli change the locks to their apartment? If so where did MB stay when het got back to NC?

5. If MB got the Ft Bragg call on Monday around 1130am, at what time did he arrive in NC? St Cloud,FLA where MB was staying at his dad's is about 560 miles to Fayetteville NC or maybe 8-9 hour drive. So if this timeline jives, MB would've arrived back home in NC around 8pm to 9pm Monday night.
 
  • #869
Here's an intersting interview with Kelli's husband, maybe 10 days after she went missing:

Link: http://myfox8.com/2012/04/26/husband-of-missing-soldier-suspicious-of-sex-offender/


Nicholas Holbert, 25, previously said he was at Froggy Bottoms with Kelli and drove her home the night she went missing, but that he has nothing to do with her disappearance. He said he dropped Kelli off about 1/4 of a mile away from her apartment on Water Trail Drive because she didn’t want him to pull up to her door.

Mike Bordeaux on Thursday said he feels there’s no way Kelli would not have made it to their apartment if she was dropped off where Holbert claims. Mike also said he’s suspicious of purported text messages from Kelli to Holbert saying that she had made it home safely.

“There’s no way,” Mike said.
 
  • #870
This is interesting.....

http://raleightelegram.com/201204231578




In an interview with Debbie Tanna of the Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office today, she said that Holbert had been living in his car in the woods behind the Froggy Bottoms bar in Fayetteville. The bar is where Bordeaux was last seen before she disappeared. She said that Holbert’s last registered address was in Spring Lake, North Carolina which is in Harnett County.

According to Tanna, Holbert was convicted of a sex offense involving a five year old child and as such, he is required to notify authorities of any change in address.

In her interview with the Telegram, Tanna confirmed that a previous sexual assault had occurred in the same woods where Holbert was living, but said that case and the Bordeaux case are “unrelated.”
In the news report, Holbert said Bordeaux was texting a lot during the evening at Froggy Bottoms.

“I don’t think she called anybody, but she was on her phone all night texting to somebody,” he said.

According to statements by Fayetteville Police Chief Tom Bergamine at a press conference on the case, the department has mobile phone records from that evening.

Chief Bergamine said that phone records show her phone “pinging” to a mobile phone tower on the North Ramsey Street and Interstate 295 corridor, which is why they have been searching in that area behind the bar. The Froggy Bottom bar is located near that intersection.

According to a report on CNN, a message sent from her phone later that morning reportedly sent a message saying she had made it home okay, but that has not been confirmed with the police and it is unknown who actually sent the message or who was the intended recipient.


A small pond next to the woods behind the bar has been mentioned in the media as a place of interest after an anonymous tip. Reports say that volunteer searchers dragged the lake but did not find Bordeaux.


Scores of volunteers have reportedly been searching with dogs in the woods but also were not successful. The stretch of woods is bordered by the Interstate 295 terminus, the bar, and some apartments on the far side.
 
  • #871
Lots of good questions!
Regarding what I place in bold red: The odds are high that whomever took her is someone amongst this group who had last contact, and the odd go very high for the last person to be with her (okay no rocket science needed to figure that out) and even higher IMO when that person distances himself by saying he dropped her off but didn't wait to see she arrived in apt safely.

Now add to this that she owed her bar tab and had left her purse in her apt (as you pointed out!)
So, wouldn't she have offered to go in and get money to pay it... unless she was so out of it she didn't know what was going on - an hence would appear perhaps very tempting/ vulnerable to being taken advantage of sexually?!

ETA: Can imagine it being a classic case of him doing something to her thinking she's out of it, but she regains consciousness and gets mad, a fight begins, he panics because he knows he has a record....



STEVE--- Thanks. Nick has gone on record saying they left Froggy's around 1am.

Has that time been verified?

There was a ping to the cell tower from Kelli's phone somewhere behind Froggy's around I-295 & Ramsey St. and that area is heavily wooded and where a recent, but unrelated, sexual assualt occured per LE.

Nick lived in the woods behind Froggy's for awhile and it's also been said he used the lean to tent against the back wall of Froggy's.

I think your scenario of Kelli being tipsy from drinking as Nick starts driving, maybe she did'nt pay attention that Nick was driving her in a different direction. When Kelli realized this, and maybe she was'nt paying attention because she was furiously texting "someone" ( Justin maybe or maybe another stranger living in the neighborhood) maybe they stopped, pulled out of sight, Nick puts the moves on her in a quiet, wooded area near I 295. Then she resisted and it escalated into a crime.

IMO, Nick spent alot of time in those woods and easily could "visualize" places to hide a body that LE would have difficulty finding a body.
 
  • #872
STEVE--- Thanks. Nick has gone on record saying they left Froggy's around 1am.

Has that time been verified?

There was a ping to the cell tower from Kelli's phone somewhere behind Froggy's around I-295 & Ramsey St. and that area is heavily wooded and where a recent, but unrelated, sexual assualt occured per LE.

Nick lived in the woods behind Froggy's for awhile and it's also been said he used the lean to tent against the back wall of Froggy's.

I think your scenario of Kelli being tipsy from drinking as Nick starts driving, maybe she did'nt pay attention that Nick was driving her in a different direction. When Kelli realized this, and maybe she was'nt paying attention because she was furiously texting "someone" ( Justin maybe or maybe another stranger living in the neighborhood) maybe they stopped, pulled out of sight, Nick puts the moves on her in a quiet, wooded area near I 295. Then she resisted and it escalated into a crime.

IMO, Nick spent alot of time in those woods and easily could "visualize" places to hide a body that LE would have difficulty finding a body.

Holbert has lived in the area for a while so he is surely familiar with all kinds of hidden places. And it's very likely that a pond located 8 miles from the bar was searched early in the investigation because it's near where Holbert used to live (and because, according to an interview with Holbert, some suspicious clothing was found nearby).

I agree that he could have easily taken her to an out of the way area after they left the bar. Maybe she wasn't paying attention, or maybe he told her there was someplace he wanted to show her and she went along with him - even though she felt uncomfortable about it. There are areas near the Cape Fear River between the bar and her house that may fit the bill. I also don't discount the possibility that he took her to one of his friend's house, so somebody else is involved.
 
  • #873
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Chili Fries;8576808]Holbert has lived in the area for a while so he is surely familiar with all kinds of hidden places. And it's very likely that a pond located 8 miles from the bar was searched early in the investigation because it's near where Holbert used to live (and because, according to an interview with Holbert, some suspicious clothing was found nearby).

I agree that he could have easily taken her to an out of the way area after they left the bar. Maybe she wasn't paying attention, or maybe he told her there was someplace he wanted to show her and she went along with him - even though she felt uncomfortable about it. There are areas near the Cape Fear River between the bar and her house that may fit the bill. I also don't discount the possibility that he took her to one of his friend's house, so somebody else is involved.
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CHILI--- I agree with your scenario.

I checked the google maps and to get to Kelli's Meadowbrook apartment complex on Water Trails Dr, Nick would've taken a left out of Froggy's and then only need to drive about 1/8 mile to get there.

Instead, IMO Nick took a right down towards I 295, because the cell phone pinged around maybe 1am ( I'm not 100% certain of this ) right behind the NC Dept of Transportation building, which is just off Ramsey St. This area also leads to the woods where Nick was living.

I agree with you, Kelli was distracted texting, did'nt pay close attention to Nick driving another direction. You could be right about Nick wanting to "show Kelli" something.

Bringing the possibility of Nick's friend into this equation is interesting. Maybe one of Nick's friends from Froggy's left with them and followed them.
They then could've assaulted her unconscious, then maybe 45 minutes later, Nick takes KB's cell phone, drives to her apt complex and leaves that last text to validate his alibi.

Meanwhile, the friend's holding KB in his trunk, then they both go to the friend's place and complete the assault/crime. Nick could've stopped into Froggy's to say he's back, he got KB home safely, then tell everyone he's going to bed. Instead, he drives back to the friend's home.

Nick spent 7 years in prison. He could likely have several buddies he spent time with.
 
  • #874
"When asked about the state of their marriage, which had been called into question by some media reports, Mike said “nothing was wrong.” He said the two were “very happy” together and that he was in Florida simply for the purpose of visiting his family.-
http://myfox8.com/2012/04/26/husband-of-missing-soldier-suspicious-of-sex-offender/



"Nicholas Holbert, 25, says he was with Bordeaux at the bar April 13, and dropped her off on a street near her apartment. He says when he asked her if she was married she said "it's complicated." " -
http://news.yahoo.com/soldier-kelli...oto-taken-062901491--abc-news-topstories.html

also from the above:

""As soon as you drive into the entrance to Meadowbrook, she said, 'Stop right here,'" Holbert said. "So I stopped and she said, 'I'll walk home.' I said, 'Are you sure?' She said, 'Yeah.' I said I figured she didn't want me to know where she lived, or somebody was there and she didn't want to be seen together." "


So I was wrong when I wondered what kind of friend would simply drop her off without waiting...

Also is seems to me that the reason she wanted to be dropped off was not because she actually saw someone, but perhaps she knew from her texting that someone was waiting for her at/in her apt.
Just IMO of course.
 
  • #875
Also is seems to me that the reason she wanted to be dropped off was not because she actually saw someone, but perhaps she knew from her texting that someone was waiting for her at/in her apt.
Just IMO of course.

Why is Nick's story being treated as the gospel truth? What has Nick done to earn a pass on suspicion? That speculation doesn't match what we know about who she was texting while in the car...it was allegedly her friend Justin in FL.

Police know who she sent texts to and would have records of the data from the various cell providers (Kelli's carrier as well as anyone else she communicated with). Police have stuck with the "Nick knows more" line...they've done everything but say Nick is the guy directly responsible for Kelli's disappearance. Nick remains their main POI even if they aren't publicly calling him that.

The investigators know more than we do, have information that we don't have, and continue to keep NH in their sights. I'm sure it must be for a good reason. And .... yet.... the police are viewed by some as incompetents who have tunnel vision, while Nick is seen as some kind of helpful boyscout who surely is being thrown under the proverbial bus. I don't get that.
 
  • #876
Why is Nick's story being treated as the gospel truth? What has Nick done to earn a pass on suspicion? That speculation doesn't match what we know about who she was texting while in the car...it was allegedly her friend Justin in FL.

Police know who she sent texts to and would have records of the data from the various cell providers (Kelli's carrier as well as anyone else she communicated with). Police have stuck with the "Nick knows more" line...they've done everything but say Nick is the guy directly responsible for Kelli's disappearance. Nick remains their main POI even if they aren't publicly calling him that.

The investigators know more than we do, have information that we don't have, and continue to keep NH in their sights. I'm sure it must be for a good reason. And .... yet.... the police are viewed by some as incompetents who have tunnel vision, while Nick is seen as some kind of helpful boyscout who surely is being thrown under the proverbial bus. I don't get that.


I agree Maddy74--- We know one of Kelli cell phone pings came from near the Dept of Transportation offices down off I 295, away from Froggy's. This is the opposite direction to Kelli's apartment complex.

I believe the crime was committed at this area, maybe Nick tried to take advantage of Kelli's being punch drunk and she resisted, then it escalated into a crime.

The woods Nick had lived in his car were directly behind this building. And Cape Fear River is fairly close as I understand it.

I think since Cape Fear River is a well know area for disposing of anything, including a history of body's discovered there , and this is Why I believe Kelli was dropped in the River. And not trying to sound too grisly, but those River waters are inhabited by Alligators.

After reading some stories about Cape Fear River, they say there are many, many, isolated areas to conceal a crime, body.

To my knowledge, LE has not let it be known id they searched the River yet. The pond nearby was the only water area searched IMO.
 
  • #877
Detectives have already stated that Nick is their number one suspect - nothing more nothing less. Is is a mistake to put all their eggs in one basket?


Why is Nick's story being treated as the gospel truth? What has Nick done to earn a pass on suspicion? That speculation doesn't match what we know about who she was texting while in the car...it was allegedly her friend Justin in FL.

Police know who she sent texts to and would have records of the data from the various cell providers (Kelli's carrier as well as anyone else she communicated with). Police have stuck with the "Nick knows more" line...they've done everything but say Nick is the guy directly responsible for Kelli's disappearance. Nick remains their main POI even if they aren't publicly calling him that.

The investigators know more than we do, have information that we don't have, and continue to keep NH in their sights. I'm sure it must be for a good reason. And .... yet.... the police are viewed by some as incompetents who have tunnel vision, while Nick is seen as some kind of helpful boyscout who surely is being thrown under the proverbial bus. I don't get that.
 
  • #878
Detectives have already stated that Nick is their number one suspect - nothing more nothing less. Is is a mistake to put all their eggs in one basket?

Does NH being suspect #1 mean there isn't a suspect #2, suspect #3, etc? What makes you think all their eggs are in one basket? They haven't arrested and charged anyone yet. It's still an open investigation. If they have specific information that leads them to putting NH as #1 on their list, should they ignore that information?
 
  • #879


STEVE P--- With All due Respect, I agree with how you're thinking.

I'm speculating with my hunches. I really believe the perp will get caught. I've really good suspicions the perp is local and can easily be avaialble for more LE interviews, questioning.


All the local NC LE has to do is re arrange how they're thinking, exclude Nick for the moment, and focus on the other suspect.

I think this perp knew Kelli, where she would be, who she was out with the night she went missing. And then he ambushed her when she was alone and defenseless.

And now the perp's putting on a cool, casual, concerned "front" to mask his guilt and keep all the attention on others like Nick.

Do you have someone in mind. The person you describe sounds like NH. He's local. Hubby is not. NH is available for more questioning. Hubby is not. NH and hubby knew Kelli. NH knew where Kelli would be. I don't recall seeing anything to suggest hubby did. NH obviously knew who she was out with. I don't recall seeing anything to suggest hubby did. Those are the only 2 I know of that have been discussed and it sure sounds like NH you're talking about. The bar owner? Seriously trying to rack my mind for other locals.
 
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STEVE-- Remember LE has cleared nick so far, there was no compelling evidence and his statement jived so far to satisfy LE.

Yeah, Nick's suspicious.

But, alot of times with new friendships, out of respect, maybe Nick just wanted to please Kelli's wishes when said she will get out of the car and go.

If Nick's telling the truth, he saw Kelli was anxious about the person she saw or spooked her, so he trusted her instincts.

I'm wondering if noticing something, why did'nt Nick sort of just sit tight in the car and wait for Kelli to see if she was OK?

Then again, I'm thinking with Nick's shady past, he's probably not someone who really thinks about the safety or concerns of his "friends"

Whoa!!! I missed a major MSM article. Where did they clear him?
 
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