GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #8

[Madeleine74]

Nope, phantom unrelated perp story doesn't work for me. There are so many holes in that cover, it's like a crochet blanket.

An alien abduction would probably be more feasible than the random serial perp scenario. Those pesky cell phone pings and txt messages really narrow things down. ;-)

 

[Eileen730]

I do not think its a serial rapist (even tho there is one out there)!
Why murder this one? He has not murdered before!
Now is nick a Child molester or what?
what do they call a child that sexually assaults a young child?
Or was it his raging hormones that drove him to do it when he had a chance.Does he like women or young children?? Has he attacked anyone else in the years hes been out?
Was he attacked in jail? And maybe that put a damaper on things!

Has anyone come out and said he assaulted the?

Im curious?

 

[Madeleine74]

Yes, Kelli has/had a car. (per VOH)

No, she did not drive her car to FB's. (per VOH)

No, we do not know where her car is, where exactly it was parked at her apartment complex, who last used it, etc. (VOH cannot answer this)

No, NH did not drive KB's car to and from the bar. He drove his own personal car. (per VOH)

Yes, it appears NH did pick KB up and took her to FB's (per VOH)

No, we don't know the times of their arrival or departure. (VOH cannot answer this)

No, we don't know exactly where KB was when NH picked her up--whether she was already standing outside her complex, or came from her apt while NH was parked/waiting near her apt door. (per VOH)

 

[Eileen730]

Oh...that little detail.:waitasec:
No, we don't know...but if I had to guess I would say that she had a car and it was in NC.
I speculate (and IMO) that if Kelli and Mike shared a car and he was going to Fl to buy one then he would not having driven her car to Fl.maybe he would have flown, hopped a train, taken a bus or caught a ride, because if he drove then he'd end up with 2 cars in FL. (the one he drove and the one he bought) and how does he get them both back to NC. If he left prior to that weekend, which IMO he did, then he would not have left Kelli with no car for such a length of time. So, IMO and pure speculation, Kelli had a car.

Im not so sure she had one!
I think she would have driven herself it wasnt far!
Wonder how she got there all thos other nighst?

JMO

 

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[andalso]

I know we asked VOH about cameras, but I don't think we asked if it has an alarm system. (apologies if it's been asked). I am just wondering if it could be possible that NH left a window open (or the like) for himself to slink back in at night? And if he were to do this, what would he be able to access? A Computer? A phone? A place to wash up? Keys?

 

[suchanovice]

I guess they took a few things from his lean-to for processing but there were still things left around. I can almost bet he did use the apt complex to park in at times because of the embankment that looked worn and frequented. Even found a golf club but nothing of importance. The residents of the apt complex were very aware of our search while offering water and such so I'm sure they are up to date about being on the look out and knowing to report anything they have seen in the past.
The construction area, again, is of some MAIN concern with me. It mounds up to 25ft high and could very easily hide the smell of a body even if they had the dogs to search. The workers of the site need to be checked and ID'd and suck...every one of them.

Exactly my thinking when I was stuck in the stopped traffic at the construction site in front of Froggy's and the I-295 ramp on Saturday. And, construction workers in the area are also worth considering/questioning. I am not making a blanket statement against laborers, but I am involved in job placement for the disabled, homeless and ex-offender population; and I do know first hand that road construction companies are one of the few places an ex-offender can easily find employment. Some will take jobs that send them to a variety of out of town worksites depending on the size of the job and the home base of the contractor.

 

[Eileen730]

Exactly my thinking when I was stuck in the stopped traffic at the construction site in front of Froggy's and the I-295 ramp on Saturday. And, construction workers in the area are also worth considering/questioning. I am not making a blanket statement against laborers, but I am involved in job placement for the disabled, homeless and ex-offender population; and I do know first hand that road construction companies are one of the few places an ex-offender can easily find employment. Some will take jobs that send them to a variety of out of town worksites depending on the size of the job and the home base of the contractor.

Have they not taken cadaver dogs over that site?

 

[Madeleine74]

And, construction workers in the area are also worth considering/questioning. I am not making a blanket statement against laborers, but I am involved in job placement for the disabled, homeless and ex-offender population; and I do know first hand that road construction companies are one of the few places an ex-offender can easily find employment.

Although none of those companies had hired NH, nor it appears did he apply. It's useful for everyone to be questioned because someone may have at least seen or heard something.

Still trying to work out how a construction worker in the area or any other random perp would get a hold of KB as she walked out of FB's with NH. We know for a fact that KB & NH left together. NH says he took her home (which appears to be false).

- At the very least, NH places himself with KB and he is the last known person to be with her. So where does a construction worker enter the picture?

- Remember KB's cell phone does not ping at her apartment. And one still has to account for the 2 text messages sent from KB's phone to the friend in FL. Would a construction worker in the area be thinking about letting someone know KB "made it home safely?" And why would the construction worker care?

- Who benefits from people believing KB actually made it home (safely)? I suggest it's the person who was last known to be with her and placed himself with her at the end of the night.​

 

[jville9]

An alien abduction would probably be more feasible than the random serial perp scenario. Those pesky cell phone pings and txt messages really narrow things down. ;-)

I agree that a random serial perp seems very unlikely, but it's still just speculation that Kelli herself didn't send those texts...

 

[Eileen730]

Yes, Kelli has/had a car. (per VOH)

No, she did not drive her car to FB's. (per VOH)

No, we do not know where her car is, where exactly it was parked at her apartment complex, who last used it, etc. (VOH cannot answer this)

No, NH did not drive KB's car to and from the bar. He drove his own personal car. (per VOH)

Yes, it appears NH did pick KB up and took her to FB's (per VOH)

No, we don't know the times of their arrival or departure. (VOH cannot answer this)

No, we don't know exactly where KB was when NH picked her up--whether she was already standing outside her complex, or came from her apt while NH was parked/waiting near her apt door. (per VOH)

I think he picked her UP someplace totally different!
Maybe she went to get something to eat!
I think if he picked her up at her apt he would not have said maybe she didnt want me to know where she lived!

JMO

 

[rpgman]

Hi Rpgman...welcome back!

Here are the answers to the most asked questions:

- The time of the texts sent from KB's phone has not been disclosed. (per VOH)

- No we don't know exactly who {someone using KB's phone} sent those texts to, although allegedly it was her friend "Justin" in FL.

- Kelli's family does not believe Kelli sent those texts.

- Kelli's family does not believe Kelli made it back to her apartment complex.

- NH drove Kelli in his personal vehicle (confirmed by VOH)

- No, we do not know what time KB & NH left the bar & VOH has said many times s/he cannot disclose that information.

- Police do NOT have KB's phone. All ping info, etc. has been obtained from the cell carrier. (confirmed by Kelli's husband)

- Police say they are sifting through the information they've gathered (media report)

- No additional information has been released by anyone in authority.

thank you much!

 

[Madeleine74]

I agree that a random serial perp seems very unlikely, but it's still just speculation that Kelli herself didn't send those texts...

It's a bit more than speculation that KB didn't send those texts.

First of all, she appears to have never made it home, let alone "safely." I'm sure LE has ascertained whether KB made it home. KB's family has more information than we do and they insist she never did make it to her apt.

Plus, if her phone never pinged near her apartment, how could she say she "made it home safely?" Why would she text that if she wasn't home?

I think the texting of those 2 messages will ultimately be the perp's undoing in the case. (I assume the perp = NH). Because the messages plus the pings physically establish KB's phone location in a certain range, at those times, and the content of the texts suggest someone had a reason to say KB got home.

 

[suchanovice]

Construction worker may have seen something. May have observed NH hanging around the site, hiding some evidence there, or surveying the site for future to dispose of evidence. Construction worker may have seen KB at the bar previously during daylight hours, while on the job, or as a patron at the bar, and been watching her. I can see how a worker might head to the bar for a beer after work, since it is within eye shot, and they could probably stop in in thier work clothes. There are a number or reasons a construction worker could be involved as an observer of something or as a participant in the crime, or the cover up of a crime, if there has in fact been a crime committed...IMO

 

[Portabella]

VOH, from what you observed on 041612, can you state whether or not there were any new customers to the bar that day? Were they all known to you that were there? TIA

 

[rpgman]

It's a bit more than speculation that KB didn't send those texts.

First of all, she appears to have never made it home, let alone "safely." I'm sure LE has ascertained whether KB made it home. KB's family has more information than we do and they insist she never did make it to her apt.

Plus, if her phone never pinged near her apartment, how could she say she "made it home safely?" Why would she text that if she wasn't home?

I think the texting of those 2 messages will ultimately be the perp's undoing in the case. (I assume the perp = NH). Because the messages plus the pings physically establish KB's phone location in a certain range, at those times, and the content of the texts suggest someone had a reason to say KB got home.

I agree.

But, wasn't there two cell towers within that trip, from FB to her apartment?

Can, LE be certain it pinged at the one closet to FB?

I would think so.

I guess that's the reason LE keeps on going back to the FB area, because they know the texts pinged off the tower closer to FB.

But, that doesn't necessary mean that's where Kelli is.

For all we know, the perp could have driven miles to dump her if she was killed. All while her cell is off, and all while the perps cell is off.

 

[andalso]

It is hard to get past the fact that NH said he dropped her off at apartments but the cell didn't ping there.

 

[jville9]

It's a bit more than speculation that KB didn't send those texts.

First of all, she appears to have never made it home, let alone "safely." I'm sure LE has ascertained whether KB made it home. KB's family has more information than we do and they insist she never did make it to her apt.

Plus, if her phone never pinged near her apartment, how could she say she "made it home safely?" Why would she text that if she wasn't home?

I think the texting of those 2 messages will ultimately be the perp's undoing in the case. (I assume the perp = NH). Because the messages plus the pings physically establish KB's phone location in a certain range, at those times, and the content of the texts suggest someone had a reason to say KB got home.

For some reason I'm not 100% convinced that she didn't go somewhere else when (and if) NH dropped her off, rather than go home. In which case, I agree, she didn't make it home. And she may have sent the text that she was home so that the recipient (Justin?) would think she was home and wouldn't know about her other plans. I know I've done that in my younger days.

I see where NH is the most likely perp at this time given the evidence, and my theory does seem far-fetched. I'm just not sold on NH and want to keep other options alive.

 

[Portabella]

As far as he having a car, I believe she did have a car. How else would she go to work daily? Also, I remember hearing that her car was searched....hence leading me to believe she had an automobile....IMHO

 

[Madeleine74]

I agree.

But, wasn't there two cell towers within that trip, from FB to her apartment?

Can, LE be certain it pinged at the one closet to FB?

The cell carrier can absolutely determine which cell tower her phone pinged off of and at what times. That's part of the information generated and maintained by the carrier.

Further, they know which tower transmitted the 2 texts sent from KB's phone. There is a bit of a range involved in tower transmission--kind of an arc shape that usually covers an angle greater than 180 degrees. It's not 100%, but it's pretty accurate in determining someone's movements.