NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #6

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  • #361
http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-...on-shooter-stephen-paddock-chose-mandalay-bay

[FONT="]On two separate occasions, a Mandalay Bay bellman helped Paddock carry his luggage to his suite via the hotel's service elevator. MGM resorts said this about the service, "it is not a special perk and guests do request to remain with their bags, and they may be taken to their room via the service elevator."
[/FONT][/COLOR]strangely, same article
[COLOR=#1A1A1A][FONT="]As for the changing timeline involving Security Officer Jesus Campos, ABC News is reporting Las Vegas Metropolitan Police allowed Campos to leave town after talking to him. [/FONT]

[FONT="]The FBI realized there was something up with the timeline and brought him back to be re-interviewed. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#1A1A1A][FONT="]The FBI insisted the sheriff make it public, but sources say the sheriff was reluctant.[/FONT]

-Thank you Kitty. They didn’t follow up on whether he elected to use the VIP elevator on the 3rd, 4th, 5th occasion. Now...since its not mentioned we have to scratch our heads to wonder if it’s because the service elevator was good enough for him or hmmmm-if there was a VIP elevator at the MB? This again is so basic.

-LE allowed...after they talked to him. Which officer, what day, time...? Basics.
The “FBI” realized...
The FBI insisted...
The Sheriff was reluctant...

Therein lies the timeline mystery and they have JC at the center. In addition we don’t have a clue where MB and the Union are standing.
 
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http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-...on-shooter-stephen-paddock-chose-mandalay-bay

[FONT="]On two separate occasions, a Mandalay Bay bellman helped Paddock carry his luggage to his suite via the hotel's service elevator. MGM resorts said this about the service, "it is not a special perk and guests do request to remain with their bags, and they may be taken to their room via the service elevator."
[/FONT][/COLOR]strangely, same article
[COLOR=#1A1A1A][FONT="]As for the changing timeline involving Security Officer Jesus Campos, ABC News is reporting Las Vegas Metropolitan Police allowed Campos to leave town after talking to him. [/FONT]

[FONT="]The FBI realized there was something up with the timeline and brought him back to be re-interviewed. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#1A1A1A][FONT="]The FBI insisted the sheriff make it public, but sources say the sheriff was reluctant.[/FONT]

Interesting. Upon entering large hotels, it is common that Bellman will take the luggage and be awaiting at the door of the room or arrive shortly thereafter without accompanying the customer directly. I assume at those times the employee uses their own service elevator. Maybe that's what it's referring to? So maybe other times SP used the VIP elevator to transport his weapons disguised in some sort of packaging and without assistance?
 
  • #364
Interesting. Upon entering large hotels, it is common that Bellman will take the luggage and be awaiting at the door of the room or arrive shortly thereafter without accompanying the customer directly. I assume at those times the employee uses their own service elevator. Maybe that's what it's referring to? So maybe other times SP used the VIP elevator to transport his weapons disguised in some sort of packaging and without assistance?
No idea.. This makes sense- the explanation that many guests would be carrying valuable luggage and would insist on remaining with it.
I tried finding building plans.. theres also an elevator called a freight elevator... smh..
who was SP?
 
  • #365
Interesting. Upon entering large hotels, it is common that Bellman will take the luggage and be awaiting at the door of the room or arrive shortly thereafter without accompanying the customer directly. I assume at those times the employee uses their own service elevator. Maybe that's what it's referring to? So maybe other times SP used the VIP elevator to transport his weapons disguised in some sort of packaging and without assistance?

-Exactly! Which is Which with the elevators too? Like with the timelines and the rooms...
 
  • #366
What makes the media reporting of this tragedy somewhat different is because the perpetrator is dead, no charges are filed against anyone. Those charging documents would otherwise contain a wealth of information when they're released to the public.

And almost immediately the threat of civil lawsuits arose. The questions the father asks will be at the centre of any litigation filed on MB including JC's role. It'd be highly unusual that a corporation would let its position be known in advance of civil court proceedings in order to avoid undue speculation, under attorney advice. I have to say that I have huge empathy for JC because of any potential allegations that his response (or lack of) resulted in the death of 58 people and injuries to 500. The fight for money often has no mercy upon the innocent people it involves. JMO

-And that is sad and sickening for him to be at the center with opposing teams swarming around him.
 
  • #367
-Thank you Kitty. They didn’t follow up on whether he elected to use the VIP elevator on the 3rd, 4th, 5th occasion. Now...since its not mentioned we have to scratch our heads to wonder if it’s because the service elevator was good enough for him or hmmmm-if there was a VIP elevator at the MB? This again is so basic.

-LE allowed...after they talked to him. Which officer, what day, time...? Basics.
The “FBI” realized...
The FBI insisted...
The Sheriff was reluctant...

Therein lies the timeline mystery and they have JC at the center. In addition we don’t have a clue where MB and the Union are standing.

This is a worthy article describing the legal battles that are looming in the future.

Lawyers seek order requiring MGM Resorts to preserve evidence
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...r-requiring-mgm-resorts-to-preserve-evidence/
 
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The union does not provide a full list of members at their web site. That's why you didn't find his name there.

You will note at the web site that the union recently gave him an award for his heroism. Article with photos

http://www.spfpa.org/news/spfpa-strong-honoring-our-heros.html

This article has been posted here before.



That was very nice of them.

ETA: Can you please provide a link for your quotes above, allegedly from a victim's father? TIA

-An A-B-C illustration, nothing to allege.
 
  • #370
-And that is sad and sickening for him to be at the center with opposing teams swarming around him.

Yes I hope it doesn't happen but I wouldn't place any bets against it. Employers can be held liable for employee's actions so in civil lawsuits the employee can find themselves essentially on trial. The best thing that could happen here is a settlement, as opposed to lawsuits. JMO
 
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This is a worthy article describing the legal battles that are looming in the future.

Lawyers seek order requiring MGM Resorts to preserve evidence
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...r-requiring-mgm-resorts-to-preserve-evidence/

-I believe there will be decades of suiting. There are many victims who have not come up for air, dealing with serious abrupt life changes... immediately in front of them. Some I imagine will take awhile before knowing which way they will proceed.
 
  • #372
No idea.. This makes sense- the explanation that many guests would be carrying valuable luggage and would insist on remaining with it.
I tried finding building plans.. theres also an elevator called a freight elevator... smh..
who was SP?

SP, the perp, indeed who was he. That a man his age is capable of planning and committing such a horrific mass murder without any prior criminal background whatsoever must be very unique (assuming it wasn't a matter of not getting caught...). . I can surely understand why the vast majority of people he's known in the past wouldn't want their names and stories published especially if they had any unease or suspicions but how he came to this point is the biggest curiosity I have about this case.

A brain tumour affecting the frontal lobe would've at least served as a possible explanation.
 
  • #373
-I believe there will be decades of suiting. There are many victims who have not come up for air, dealing with serious abrupt life changes... immediately in front of them. Some I imagine will take awhile before knowing which way they will proceed.

Yes I agree. Reminded me, I notice the LV victims fund has raised almost $11 million of the $15 million target in 13 days. I've noticed other goodwill stories such as free air flights, limos, suites for Cdn families of severely injured and deceased, in preparing to bring their loved ones home. All these things don't make it better but it must help to not feel insignificant.
 
  • #374
Ok, the other shooters. Were they all set up like Paddock and did they all just clean up the shells and smoke from the excessive firings and pack up their guns and check out the next day with their ten suitcases?
 
  • #375
Yes I agree. Reminded me, I notice the LV victims fund has raised almost $11 million of the $15 million target in 13 days. I've noticed other goodwill stories such as free air flights, limos, suites for Cdn families of severely injured and deceased, in preparing to bring their loved ones home. All these things don't make it better but it must help to not feel insignificant.

thats really heartening news, thanks for checking it out Misty.
 
  • #376
Yes I agree. Reminded me, I notice the LV victims fund has raised almost $11 million of the $15 million target in 13 days. I've noticed other goodwill stories such as free air flights, limos, suites for Cdn families of severely injured and deceased, in preparing to bring their loved ones home. All these things don't make it better but it must help to not feel insignificant.


-I believe acknowledgments of any type are sometimes just the touch of significance needed to make it through another hoop along the ‘unknown’ way.

-I’m glad they are close to the mark, I hadn’t checked recently. Thank you
 
  • #377
https://www.reviewjournal.com/busin...sis-management-firm-in-wake-of-mass-shooting/


-Joele Frank has likely received an initial crisis fee in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and would bill MGM from $500 to $1,000 an hour ”for many, many hours,” said Ronn Torossian, chief executive officer of 5WPR, a renowned PR firm headquartered in New York.


“Joele Frank is a top notch leading crisis PR firm. They are one of a handful of agencies with the deep strategic communications skills necessary to communicate effectively for MGM to consumers, the industry and shareholders,” said Torossian.


MGM faces potentially large damages if plaintiffs can *prove* the shooting was foreseeable and that its *security personnel* failed to react appropriately.
*THIS IS THE OBJECTIVE AND WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. MOO

‘Best Attack PR’
Joelle Frank, founded in 2000, has helped companies including Herbalife, Chipotle, Hertz and Yahoo fight off activist investors such as Carl Icahn, Bill Ackman, Dan Loeb and Jeff Smith in recent years.
Ackman, whose hedge fund Pershing Square Capital fought Herbalife, called Joele Frank “the best attack PR firm in the country” during a 2014 speech, the New York Post reported. Pershing Square declined to comment when contacted by the Las Vegas Review-Journal.


“They are considered one of the two or three best at this particular kind of work,” said Paul Homes, publisher of the public relations industry site The Holmes Report. “They do advocate their clients’ positions quite fiercely when necessary.”


Cases taken on by Joele Frank, Wilkinson Brimmer Katcher
— Phil Knight, co-founder of NIKE, on his transition to chairman.
— Teva Pharmaceuticals’ hostile takeover bid of Mylan.
— Time Warner in its defense against 21st Century Fox’s hostile takeover bid.
— US Airways in its merger with American Airlines.
— Joele Frank has battled Carl Icahn more than 30 times, Starboard Value more than 40 times, and Ackman’s Pershing Square more than 10 times.
 
  • #378
https://www.reviewjournal.com/busin...sis-management-firm-in-wake-of-mass-shooting/


-Joele Frank has likely received an initial crisis fee in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and would bill MGM from $500 to $1,000 an hour ”for many, many hours,” said Ronn Torossian, chief executive officer of 5WPR, a renowned PR firm headquartered in New York.


“Joele Frank is a top notch leading crisis PR firm. They are one of a handful of agencies with the deep strategic communications skills necessary to communicate effectively for MGM to consumers, the industry and shareholders,” said Torossian.


MGM faces potentially large damages if plaintiffs can *prove* the shooting was foreseeable and that its *security personnel* failed to react appropriately.
*THIS IS THE OBJECTIVE AND WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. MOO

‘Best Attack PR’
Joelle Frank, founded in 2000, has helped companies including Herbalife, Chipotle, Hertz and Yahoo fight off activist investors such as Carl Icahn, Bill Ackman, Dan Loeb and Jeff Smith in recent years.
Ackman, whose hedge fund Pershing Square Capital fought Herbalife, called Joele Frank “the best attack PR firm in the country” during a 2014 speech, the New York Post reported. Pershing Square declined to comment when contacted by the Las Vegas Review-Journal.


“They are considered one of the two or three best at this particular kind of work,” said Paul Homes, publisher of the public relations industry site The Holmes Report. “They do advocate their clients’ positions quite fiercely when necessary.”


Cases taken on by Joele Frank, Wilkinson Brimmer Katcher
— Phil Knight, co-founder of NIKE, on his transition to chairman.
— Teva Pharmaceuticals’ hostile takeover bid of Mylan.
— Time Warner in its defense against 21st Century Fox’s hostile takeover bid.
— US Airways in its merger with American Airlines.
— Joele Frank has battled Carl Icahn more than 30 times, Starboard Value more than 40 times, and Ackman’s Pershing Square more than 10 times.
Fascinating indeed!!!

They're doing such a wonderful job already!!!
That WAS sarcasm.

If MGM cant get their stuff together enough to have started handling this from a PR perspective 2 weeks ago, there is something seriously wrong.
There has to be.
I have not seen or heard a single word of praise for them.. I dont know how other people feel but I feel nauseated when I think of them.
 
  • #379
Fascinating indeed!!!

They're doing such a wonderful job already!!!
That WAS sarcasm.

If MGM cant get their stuff together enough to have started handling this from a PR perspective 2 weeks ago, there is something seriously wrong.
There has to be.
I have not seen or heard a single word of praise for them.. I dont know how other people feel but I feel nauseated when I think of them.

-Neither have I. In my opinion their response has been negligent.
 
  • #380
-Neither have I. In my opinion their response has been negligent.

MGM could easily have afforded to take care of each of the casualties, ensure they receive the best of medical care and take care of all their relatives in comfort.. a gesture that would save them billions in litigation.. but a gesture of humanity primarily.

They're so far off the mark that its frightening.
Dehumanisation appears to be the name of the game.
 
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