NY – Ex POTUS Donald Trump, sued by E. Jean Carroll for defamation, Trial 15 Jan 2024

[MyBelle]

I don't recall Clinton being convicted of rape.

Trump wasn't convicted of rape.

JMO

Jury finds Trump liable for sexual abuse, awards accuser $5M

A jury has found Donald Trump liable for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996. Jurors awarded her $5 million in a judgment that could haunt the former president as he campaigns to regain the White House. The verdict was announced in a federal courtroom in New York City on...

apnews.com

The verdict was split: Jurors rejected Carroll’s claim that she was raped, finding Trump responsible for a lesser degree of sexual abuse.

 

[JennieM]

Carroll: 'Great victory for every woman'

E Jean Carroll said in a statement: "This is a great victory for every woman who stands up when she’s been knocked down, and a huge defeat for every bully who has tried to keep a woman down."

Her attorney, Robbie Kaplan, thanked the jury "for standing up for E Jean and the rule of law".

“Today’s verdict proves that the law applies to everyone in our country, even the rich, even the famous, even former presidents," Kaplan said in a statement.

"There is a way to stand up to someone like Donald Trump who cares more about wealth, fame, and power than respecting the law. Standing up to a bully takes courage and bravery; it takes someone like E Jean Carroll."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-68109585

 

[JennieM]

Is Trump's appeal likely to succeed?

Nada Tawfik
Reporting from New York

Former federal prosecutor Mitch Epner tells me that although Donald Trump can pursue an appeal, it may prove an uphill battle.

The question of liability was determined in the first trial - and Judge Kaplan ran the case to be “appeal proof", he says.

University of Richmond law professor Carol Tobias believes Trump would be unlikely to win on appeal.

Why?

"Because," he says, "Judge Kaplan is a highly experienced jurist, who seemed to fairly and carefully try the case."

Prof Tobias also says it seems "extremely unlikely" that the case would end up at the US Supreme Court because those justices rarely ever review cases involving such civil trials.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-68109585

 

[Herat]

Is Trump's appeal likely to succeed?

Nada Tawfik
Reporting from New York

Former federal prosecutor Mitch Epner tells me that although Donald Trump can pursue an appeal, it may prove an uphill battle.

The question of liability was determined in the first trial - and Judge Kaplan ran the case to be “appeal proof", he says.

University of Richmond law professor Carol Tobias believes Trump would be unlikely to win on appeal.

Why?

"Because," he says, "Judge Kaplan is a highly experienced jurist, who seemed to fairly and carefully try the case."

Prof Tobias also says it seems "extremely unlikely" that the case would end up at the US Supreme Court because those justices rarely ever review cases involving such civil trials.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-68109585

It is a great point that the US Supreme Court is unlikely to review civil trial cases.

Trump is likely to attempt to completely tie up the Supreme Court with appeal after appeal, without regard for any of the other cases the Supreme Court will be asked to answer for all the citizens of the US.

And I cannot even begin to think of what he will try to bully the Supreme Court into, should he be elected. <shudders>

 

[Arkay]

I wonder which would infuriate Trump more…having to actually pay her, or having to let the world know that he doesn’t actually have $83 million in liquid assets readily available, if he doesn’t?

His money and his pride are inextricable, IMO, and he won’t want to lose either of them.

It’s a moot point, I suppose, as I’m sure his followers are already hard at work donating enough to pay off his bill.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Trump wasn't convicted of rape.

JMO

Jury finds Trump liable for sexual abuse, awards accuser $5M

A jury has found Donald Trump liable for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996. Jurors awarded her $5 million in a judgment that could haunt the former president as he campaigns to regain the White House. The verdict was announced in a federal courtroom in New York City on...

apnews.com

The verdict was split: Jurors rejected Carroll’s claim that she was raped, finding Trump responsible for a lesser degree of sexual abuse.

Clinton wasn't convicted of sexual abuse either.

 

[Herat]

I wonder which would infuriate Trump more…having to actually pay her, or having to let the world know that he doesn’t actually have $83 million in liquid assets readily available, if he doesn’t?

His money and his pride are inextricable, IMO, and he won’t want to lose either of them.

It’s a moot point, I suppose, as I’m sure his followers are already hard at work donating enough to pay off his bill.

I think the well is going to begin to run dry to donate for these huge bills.

I think the NYC Real Estate Fraud judgement will have financial penalties of something like $400,000,000 for the Trump Real Estate Empire that includes his sons. How would donating to cover this be legal?

He is going to have to turn to real billionaires who are willing to throw away hundreds of millions of $$$ to this guy.

 

[acutename]

sold a golf course recently

Trump Org. announces sale of New York City golf course​

CNN.com
https://www.cnn.com › 2023/09/12 › politics › trump-ne...



Sep 12, 2023 — The Trump Organization said it sold its lease for a New York golf course with sweeping views of Manhattan to Bally's Corporation, ...

 

[Kemug]

At least there is no defamation in that statement. Did he finally learn????

I shouldn't think so. This is a man who feels no shame or remorse for any of his immoral actions, and never will. And even if he does now realize that he should be more careful, how long could he keep it up? I'll be interested to see, I don't think it will be very long.

 

[Lilibet]

My dh hoped the jury could add some kind of stipulation that every defamatory statement after their verdict would cost him a certain amount of money. But we concluded that wouldn’t be possible. It might have zipped his lips though.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I shouldn't think so. This is a man who feels no shame or remorse for any of his immoral actions, and never will. And even if he does now realize that he should be more careful, how long could he keep it up? I'll be interested to see, I don't think it will be very long.

I agree.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Trump wasn't convicted of rape.

The judge has confirmed that while the conviction didn't meet New York State's narrow legal definition of rape, and thus the conviction was for sexual assault, by ordinary measures of how the word is commonly used outside the NY legal definition, he did indeed rape her.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/

 

[vls12345]

Giuliani: It was sexual assault, not rape.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1751051972265054275

... says Mr. Hands-Down-His-Pants Giuliani (in the 2nd Borat movie). And also he's man who currently has 11 court cases against him, including Noelle Dunphy's suit against him alleging sexual abuse.

Rudy Giuliani's 11 court cases, ranked in order of how screwed he is

Rudy Giuliani faces legal issues ranging from defamation to election interference. Here are all his court cases ranked in order of how screwed he is.

www.businessinsider.com

Sacha Baron Cohen Was ‘Scared’ of What Would Happen During the Rudy Giuliani Scene in ‘Borat’

In a conversation with Ben Affleck, Sacha Baron Cohen said, “We were scared that it would veer into an even more ugly situation.”

variety.com

 

[Niner]

Update!

Friday, January 26th:
*Trial continues (Day 6)-VERDICT REACHED! (@ 9:30am ET) - New York – E. Jean Carroll vs. Donald John Trump. Amended complaint against Trump seeking new damages of at least $10 million, based in part on comments Trump made during a CNN town hall on 5/10/23.
U.S. District of Manhattan 1:20-cv-07311/defamation suit/1:22-cv-10016/damages
U.S. District Judge Lewis A. Kaplan presiding. Trump’s attorneys Alina Habba & Michael T. Madaio. Carroll’s attorneys Roberta Kaplan & Shawn Crowley.
These defamation charges were postponed by Judge Lewis Kaplan on 3/30/23. Carroll's first defamation lawsuit against Trump was filed in November 2019. But that case has been put on hold while Trump argues that a federal law protects him from being sued for defamation for comments he made while president. And was amended to Trump’s comments made on 5/10/23.
Trial began on 1/16/24 with jury selection. Trial began on 1/16/24 & ended on 1/26/24 with closing arguments. 9 jurors selected. State & Defense rested their cases on 1/25/24. Closing arguments on 1/26/24. 1/26/24: Jury started deliberations @ 1:40pm ET & ended @ ~4:30pm (2 hours & 45 minutes of deliberations). Trump MUST pay $83.3 million to Carroll.
Case info from 5/22/23 thru 1/16/24 & Trial Day 1-5 (1/16-1/25/24) & thru 1/25/24 reference post #199 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-defamation-trial-15-jan-2024.690440/page-10
1/26/24 Friday, Trial Day 6: Closing arguments by Carroll’s attorney Roberta Kaplan. [Trump walks out in the middle of her closing & returned before start of defense]. Defense attorney Alina Habba. Carroll’s attorney Shawn Crowley gave rebuttal.
Judge Lewis Kaplan instructed the jury on the law, nine jurors began deliberating how much money, if any, Trump should pay in damages for making two defamatory statements about Carroll in 2019. Told them they can deliberate during lunch also. In filings to the court, Carroll's lawyers have indicated they're seeking at least $10 million in damages, but their statements to the jury have reflected a potentially higher number based on Trump's repeated defamatory statements during the two-week jury trial. Carroll's lawyers argued that Trump made 22 defamatory statements last Tuesday, when opening arguments were delivered in the case & that overall he's made more than 100 defamatory statements, both in & out of court, during the two-week trial.
Following Judge Lewis Kaplan's instructions to jury members, the jury has retired to deliberate. The judge gave the parties 45 minutes to get lunch, so the court will not accept a jury note or a verdict until starting at 2:25pm ET. If there is no verdict by 4:30pm ET, court will break for the day unless the jury signals a desire to stay later.
For more info see post #201 (article) here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-defamation-trial-15-jan-2024.690440/page-11
The jury (7 men & 2 women) deliberated for 2 hours & 45 minutes & reach a verdict. Trump to pay Carroll $83.3 million. The jury determined that Trump must pay $18.3 million in compensatory damages and $65 million in punitive damages.
For more info see post #229 (article) here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-defamation-trial-15-jan-2024.690440/page-12

 

[Bats]

Is Judge Kaplan available to run all future trials against DT?

 

[Lilibet]

Is Judge Kaplan available to run all future trials against DT?

We can dream!

 

[Bats]

We can dream!

Well at the very least, i think this case has been able to show how an ex president and his constituents' childish behaviour can be dealt with swiftly!
This judge did not suffer fools!

 

[musicaljoke]

Is Judge Kaplan available to run all future trials against DT?

He certainly has lots of experience. However, I think it's best that a variety of judges rule on T's many alleged criminal activities. It's very unfortunate that US judges are appointed, rather than that they rise through the ranks of their own professional colleges, independent of any hints of partisanship. It's a precarious system that was designed to keep power within the ruling class and it still achieves that goal. Having more judges rule on his activities gives a wider credence to T's many criminal cases.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Is Judge Kaplan available to run all future trials against DT?

Not if he wants to keep his sanity.

 

[SouthAussie]

Judge Engoron is also running the trump family $250m fraud trial. He says he hopes to deliver a verdict in that case by 31st January. Link

I bet he can't wait until both of these cases are over and done with.