NY – Ex POTUS Donald Trump, sued by E. Jean Carroll for defamation, Trial 15 Jan 2024

[sunspun]

Not for state crimes, I think. Only federal.
IMO.

Thx. And he had some of both?

 

[acutename]

Thx. And he had some of both?

GA and NY. Supposed to be sentences in NY shortly.

Donald Trump may "never" be put on trial in Georgia, lega...

Trump has been facing 13 felony 2020 election subversion charges in Georgia.

www.newsweek.com

If the GA case was suspended would the case be viable in 2028/9?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

GA and NY. Supposed to be sentences in NY shortly.

Donald Trump may "never" be put on trial in Georgia, lega...

Trump has been facing 13 felony 2020 election subversion charges in Georgia.

www.newsweek.com

If the GA case was suspended would the case be viable in 2028/9?

In my opinion, four or five years from now this will all be forgotten and there will be no more cases against President Trump.

 

[Niner]

Just an FYI - Trump has oral arguments hearing on 12/5/24 in Georgia appellant court.

and the NY case - where he was found guilty.
Tuesday, 11/12/24 - @ 10am – Issue Judge’s Ruling Decision (re immunity).
Tuesday, 11/26/24 - @10am – Sentencing hearing [reset from 9/18/24].

 

[sds71]

A federal judge has ordered President-elect Donald Trump and ABC News host George Stephanopoulos to sit for four-hour depositions next week in a libel lawsuit Trump brought against the network earlier this year.

Miami-based U.S. Magistrate Judge Lisette Reid issued the order Friday, signaling that Trump’s status as president-elect is not a reason to put off sworn questioning of him in connection with the suit he filed…


Trump sued ABC after Stephanopoulos said on air that Trump raped writer E. Jean Carroll, who won a civil verdict against Trump for sexual abuse last year. The jury did not back Carroll’s rape claim against Trump, but in a subsequent opinion, the judge presiding over the case emphasized the distinction between the legal definition of rape and its more colloquial understanding.

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/12/13/congress/judge-orders-trump-deposition-00194361

 

[Stunned]

#47 brought this on himself. IMO

 

[sds71]

ABC agrees to pay $15 million to a Trump foundation and $1 million in legal fees to settle libel suit over George Stephanopoulos' claim that Trump was found liable for rape. It was actually sexual abuse. Doc: https://documentcloud.org/documents/25457105-trumpabcsettlement121424/

Last year, Trump was found liable for sexually assaulting and defaming Carroll and was ordered to pay her $5 million. In January, he was found liable on additional defamation claims and ordered to pay Carroll $83.3 million. Trump is appealing both verdicts.

Neither verdict involved a finding of rape as defined under New York law.

The judge in both cases, Lewis Kaplan, has said that the jury’s conclusion was that Carroll had failed to prove that Trump raped her “within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law.”

Kaplan noted that the definition of rape was “far narrower” than how rape is defined in common modern parlance, in some dictionaries, in some federal and state criminal statutes and elsewhere.

The judge said the verdict did not mean that Carroll “failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’ Indeed ... the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

ABC agrees to give $15 million to Donald Trump's presidential library to settle defamation lawsuit

ABC agrees to give $15 million to Trump's library to settle a defamation lawsuit after an inaccurate on-air assertion that Trump was civilly liable for raping writer E. Jean Carroll.

www.scrippsnews.com

 

[SouthAussie]

ABC agrees to pay $15 million to a Trump foundation and $1 million in legal fees to settle libel suit over George Stephanopoulos' claim that Trump was found liable for rape. It was actually sexual abuse. Doc: https://documentcloud.org/documents/25457105-trumpabcsettlement121424/

Last year, Trump was found liable for sexually assaulting and defaming Carroll and was ordered to pay her $5 million. In January, he was found liable on additional defamation claims and ordered to pay Carroll $83.3 million. Trump is appealing both verdicts.

Neither verdict involved a finding of rape as defined under New York law.

The judge in both cases, Lewis Kaplan, has said that the jury’s conclusion was that Carroll had failed to prove that Trump raped her “within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law.”

Kaplan noted that the definition of rape was “far narrower” than how rape is defined in common modern parlance, in some dictionaries, in some federal and state criminal statutes and elsewhere.

The judge said the verdict did not mean that Carroll “failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’ Indeed ... the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

ABC agrees to give $15 million to Donald Trump's presidential library to settle defamation lawsuit

ABC agrees to give $15 million to Trump's library to settle a defamation lawsuit after an inaccurate on-air assertion that Trump was civilly liable for raping writer E. Jean Carroll.

www.scrippsnews.com

Very expensive fine line there!

imo

While rape is the most commonly known type of sexual assault, under New York Penal Law there are several other types of sexual assault including forcible touching, sexual abuse, criminal sexual act, sexual misconduct, sexual conduct against child, and facilitating a sexual offense with a controlled substance.

New York Sexual Assault

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[ilovewings]

Very expensive fine line there!

imo

While rape is the most commonly known type of sexual assault, under New York Penal Law there are several other types of sexual assault including forcible touching, sexual abuse, criminal sexual act, sexual misconduct, sexual conduct against child, and facilitating a sexual offense with a controlled substance.

New York Sexual Assault

Free Consultation - Stephen Bilkis & Associates, PLLC - Free Consultation - Our New York criminal lawyers have a combined 100+ years of legal and law enforcement experience. Our team includes former prosecutors from the District Attorney’s offices in New York City and Long Island, as well as law...

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Yes indeed, a very expensive fine line--- you would have thought someone like Mr. Stephanopolous (sp) would understand that kind of fine line- expensive lesson learned
(hopefully)

 

[bestill]

I do wonder if this now settled lawsuit is the reason that The View has had Sonny read legal statements after some of her comments? ABC must be feeling the pressure.

 

[Stunned]

Ohh, I'm sure it does!

 

[CrimeDawg123]

#47 brought this on himself. IMO

Some people are above the law it seems.

 

[Inthedetails]

ABC agrees to pay $15 million to a Trump foundation and $1 million in legal fees to settle libel suit over George Stephanopoulos' claim that Trump was found liable for rape. It was actually sexual abuse. Doc: https://documentcloud.org/documents/25457105-trumpabcsettlement121424/

Last year, Trump was found liable for sexually assaulting and defaming Carroll and was ordered to pay her $5 million. In January, he was found liable on additional defamation claims and ordered to pay Carroll $83.3 million. Trump is appealing both verdicts.

Neither verdict involved a finding of rape as defined under New York law.

The judge in both cases, Lewis Kaplan, has said that the jury’s conclusion was that Carroll had failed to prove that Trump raped her “within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law.”

Kaplan noted that the definition of rape was “far narrower” than how rape is defined in common modern parlance, in some dictionaries, in some federal and state criminal statutes and elsewhere.

The judge said the verdict did not mean that Carroll “failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’ Indeed ... the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”y

ABC agrees to give $15 million to Donald Trump's presidential library to settle defamation lawsuit

ABC agrees to give $15 million to Trump's library to settle a defamation lawsuit after an inaccurate on-air assertion that Trump was civilly liable for raping writer E. Jean Carroll.

www.scrippsnews.com

Has DT paid the money he is supposed to pay EJC? If not, perhaps CBS can cut the check directly to her.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

Has DT paid the money he is supposed to pay EJC? If not, perhaps CBS can cut the check directly to her.

jmo

Oops ^^ I mean ABC, not CBS (noticed mistake too late to fix it).

 

[Bounceycat]

I do wonder if this now settled lawsuit is the reason that The View has had Sonny read legal statements after some of her comments? ABC must be feeling the pressure.

They've been doing that for years and years, though

 

[ilovewings]

I have to say, if my employee, in such a high visibility situation, cost me millions, I would fire that employee-- just sayin'---words have consequences and there is no excuse IMO for using words that could defame someone, especially a potential president, past president, who you have to know has filed hundreds of lawsuits----to be this unaware, well there is no excuse for it.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

In my opinion, four or five years from now this will all be forgotten and there will be no more cases against President Trump.

Maybe, if he pardons himself. MOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I have to say, if my employee, in such a high visibility situation, cost me millions, I would fire that employee-- just sayin'---words have consequences and there is no excuse IMO for using words that could defame someone, especially a potential president, past president, who you have to know has filed hundreds of lawsuits----to be this unaware, well there is no excuse for it.

IMO, if it wasn't Trump, this case would have gone nowhere. For all intents and purposes, it was what most would call rape.

Let's Talk: Definitions of Terms

Sexual assault: According to the Office on Violence Against Women, the term “sexual assault” means any nonconsensual sexual act proscribed by Federal, tribal, or State law, including when the victim lacks capacity to consent.xix State laws vary in the definitions us

www.nsvrc.org

"The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

The nuances of NY state law is what's at question because for some ridiculous reason, they don't consider forceful digital penetration to be "rape."

Even the judge stated in official court documents that it's essentially rape by common use of the term.

I'm really surprised ABC settled, but in this political climate, I don't think they want to take the chance that they're a headline everyday. I think firing GS over this will do much more to harm ABC. However, I haven't ruled out the possibility that GS might resign himself. By settling based on a technicality, it harms his credibility. I can see him quitting over that.

MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

In my opinion, four or five years from now this will all be forgotten and there will be no more cases against President Trump.

Or, there will be more.

jmo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Or, there will be more.

jmo

I think that the unjust lawfare waged against President Trump has been totally exposed and there will not be any more of these cases in the future because of that.

With this being his last term the motivation for these case's has disappeared. JMO.