NY - $250m fraud against Former President Donald Trump, Trump Org., Eric, Donald Jr., Sept 2022, Trial 2 Oct 2023, #2

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I honestly think when he began his run he never imagined actually winning. It was simply supposed to increase his brand recognition. I don't know that anybody was more surprised than he when he won. JMO
Yep. I remember the day after election hoping he would rise to the occasion and surprise all the people (like me) who doubted his abilities, intent, and integrity. I hoped he had the leadership quality of surrounding himself with capable and competent people willing to do good work for the nation.

But, nope. That didn't happen.

And here we are....because of his self-love for his brand.

jmo
 
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I honestly think when he began his run he never imagined actually winning. It was simply supposed to increase his brand recognition. I don't know that anybody was more surprised than he when he won. JMO
I remember reports of Melania not being happy about his winning. She's very private and very protective of her son, so I can believe it.
IMO.
 
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Judge's ruling on the disclaimer clause:

The “Worthless Clause”
Defendants rely on what they call a “worthless clause” set forth in the SFCs under the section entitled “Basis of Presentation” that reads, as here pertinent, as follows:

Assets are stated at their estimated current values and liabilities at their estimated current amounts using various valuation methods. Such valuation methods include, but are not limited to, the use of appraisals, capitalization of anticipated earnings, recent sales and offers, and estimates of current values as determined by Mr. Trump in conjunction with his associates and, in some instances, outside professionals. Considerable judgment is necessary to interpret market data and develop the related estimates of current value. Accordingly, the estimates presented herein are not necessarily indicative of the amount that could be realized upon the disposition of the assets or payment of the related liabilities. The use of different market assumptions and/or estimation methodologies may have a material effect on the estimated current value amounts.​

NYSCEF Doc. Nos. 769 at 7; 770 at 7; 771 at 7; 772 at 7; 773 at 7.

In his sworn deposition, Donald Trump spent a lot of time invoking this clause: “Well, they call it a ‘disclaimer.’ They call it ‘worthless clause’ too, because it makes the statement ‘worthless.’” NYSCEF Doc. No. 859 at 67. Donald Trump goes on to say that “I have a clause in there that says, don’t believe the statement, go out and do your own work. This statement is ‘worthless.’ It means nothing.” Id at 68. Furthermore, Donald Trump implies that he did not consider it important to review the SFCs for accuracy because of the existence of this purported “worthless clause”:

OAG: Does this refresh your recollection of the process whereby you would get final review of the Statement of Financial Condition?​
DJT: Yeah, I think generally. It’s interesting. I would say as years went by, I got less and less and then once I became President, I would - if I saw it at all, I’d see it, you know, after it was already done.​
OAG: So in the period -​
DJT: Again, you know, I hate to be boring and tell you this. When you have the worthless clause on a piece of paper and the first - literally the first page you’re reading about how this is a worthless statement from the standpoint of your using it as a bank or whatever -whoever may be using it, you tend not to get overly excited about it. I think it had very little impact, if any impact on the banks.​
OAG: So am I understanding that you didn’t particularly care about what was in the Statement of Financial Condition?​
DJT: I didn’t get involved in it very much. I felt it was a meaningless document, other than it was almost a list of my properties, with good faith effort of people trying to put some value down. It was a good faith effort.​

Id. at 107-108. Defendants further submit the affidavit and deposition transcript of Robert Unell,
who purports to be an expert in commercial real estate, for the proposition that because of “the
worthless clause” in the SFC, “no lender relies on these for what it is.” NYSCEF Doc. Nos. 1030 at 183-184; 1031.

However, defendants’ reliance on these “worthless” disclaimers is worthless. The clause does not use the words “worthless” or “useless” or “ignore” or “disregard” or any similar words. It does not say, “the values herein are what I think the properties will be worth in ten or more years.” Indeed, the quoted language uses the word “current” no less than five times, and the word “future” zero times.

Additionally, as discussed supra, a defendant may not rely on a disclaimer for misrepresentation of facts peculiarly within the defendant’s knowledge. Basis Yield Alpha Fund at 136. Here, as the valuations of the subject properties are, obviously, peculiarly within defendants’ knowledge, their reliance on them is to no avail.

Furthermore, “[t]his ‘special facts doctrine’ applies regardless o f the level o f sophistication o f the parties.” TIAA Glob. Invs. LLC v One Astoria Square LLC. 127 AD3d 75, 87 (1st Dept 2015) (emphasis added) (holding disclaimer does not bar liability for fraud where facts were peculiarly within disclaiming party’s knowledge).

Thus, the “worthless clause” does not say what defendants say it says, does not rise to the level of an enforceable disclaimer, and cannot be used to insulate fraud as to facts peculiarly within defendants’ knowledge, even vis-a-vis sophisticated recipients.
 
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I hear ya, but I do suspect he ran for president for the ego, to increase ratings for his fake-reality TV show, for attention, to boost his brand. I do not for one second think he ran for president because he wanted to serve our nation. In the end, imo, it was his brand he was campaigning for.

jmo

I agree.

EVERYTHING about Trump is self-aggrandizement. The biggest, the richest, the most beautiful, the most popular.

IMO the particulars that go beyond just hyping the brand are the ego trip things that he never had previously; no matter that he was rich, famous, had three pretty wives and all that.

I think he just adored the perks that spoke to power. He was rich and famous already, but the military didn’t used to salute him. People didn’t address him as “Sir.” No one played “Hail to the Chief” when he strode by. He had a private jet, but it wasn’t Air Force One. He had mansions, but they weren’t the White House.
He could travel anywhere, but he couldn’t meet with heads of state, kings and queens.

IMO he loved all that and can’t stand that he’s no longer entitled to all the pomp. We know how he reacts when people don’t call him “Mr. President” anymore.

To your point about serving the nation…well, we know he took an oath to defend the Constitution, which he ignored. IMO “serving the nation” consisted for him of irritating documents that his staff tried to get him to read, and boring meetings that he raced through so he could play golf.


IMO
 
  • #68
HOW IN THE WORLD IS THIS NOT AN UNCOOPERATIVE WITNESS IN CONTEMPT OF COURT?!

Trump is right that the trial is unfair. It's unfair it's too lenient on him.
 
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Alina Habba, one of Trump's attorneys, told reporters during the lunch break that Engoron is "unhinged" and had "predetermined" that Trump was guilty.

"I don't want to hear what he has to say," Habba said, quoting the judge's admonishment to Trump's lawyers this morning after Engoron asked Trump to give more succinct answers during his testimony.

"That was what rang true loud and could not have been more honest, coming from the judge who was already predetermined that my client committed fraud before we even walked into this courtroom," Habba said.

When he made the remark, Engoron’s had been trying to rein in Trump’s answers, telling his team that the former was there to not talk about things outside the attorney general’s lawyer’s line of questioning.

Habba went on to say that the country is "falling apart" and there is "corruption in court rooms where attorneys are gagged."

"You have a right to hire a lawyer who can stand up and say something when they see something wrong. But I was told to sit down today, I was yelled at," Habba said.

Habba also criticized James, saying that she was using the trial to "make a name for herself."

"[James] said this morning that the numbers don't lie and they won't lie in this case. Well, Miss James, I have a message for you: The numbers didn't lie when you ran for governor, and that's why you dropped out," Habba said.
Trump's lawyer calls Engoron 'unhinged'

Habba doubling down outside court, taking a note from her client and throwing a tizzy because she was told to sit her arse down and shut it. :D

talking about the unfairness of it and how the judge has already predetermined tRump's guilt. As if she has never filed for and probably gotten a summary judgment or two in her own career. GMAFB, they don't have a case to argue so they are taking a page from Donald to attempt to try it in the court of public opinion. This is all for the minions who are eating it up like candy.
 
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"What I'm seeing is such a demise of the American judicial system," Habba said outside the courthouse. "They’ve got nothing but their politics."

"This is a judge who clearly has an issue with facts that are not good for the case," she said of Judge Arthur Engoron.
Trump attorney says AG's case has 'nothing but their politics'

um projection much? lol
 
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The criminal cases are going to be worse because there will be the jury to use as a live audience. Dreading it. jmo
 
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Alina Habba, one of Trump's attorneys, told reporters during the lunch break that Engoron is "unhinged" and had "predetermined" that Trump was guilty.
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Trump's lawyer calls Engoron 'unhinged'

Habba doubling down outside court, taking a note from her client and throwing a tizzy because she was told to sit her arse down and shut it. :D

talking about the unfairness of it and how the judge has already predetermined tRump's guilt. As if she has never filed for and probably gotten a summary judgment or two in her own career. GMAFB, they don't have a case to argue so they are taking a page from Donald to attempt to try it in the court of public opinion. This is all for the minions who are eating it up like candy.
well looky here, Alina is quite familiar with the idea of a summary judgment, as is her client. Here is a Motion for summary judgment she filed on his behalf in the E. JEAN CARROLL v. DONALD J. TRUMP case last year.

Cry me a river lady. :rolleyes:
 
  • #76
Letitia James, who's in attendance in court today, took to the social media platform X to deride one of Trump's claims about her on the witness stand.

Trump testified that the value of his property at 40 Wall Street "is hundreds of millions of dollars more than what she says. She doesn’t even know what 40 Wall Street is."

James laughed at the remark in court, and then posted a message with a shushing emoji that said, "Don’t tell, I can see it from my office window."
AG James mocks Trump's testimony
 
  • #77
Yes, a summary judgment is no less valid than a judgment after trial. In fact, it means the finding was so strong no trial was needed.
 
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Yes, a summary judgment is no less valid than a judgment after trial. In fact, it means the finding was so strong no trial was needed.
But there people in right-wing media questioning why the judge "already decided." Then, the audience thinks this is unfair, unusual, and stacked against the defendant, when it is in FACT (all caps) legal and in accordance with lawful procedures.

jmo
 
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The post-break mood in court is more relaxed, and Trump seems to be answering questions somewhat concisely, but the thrust of the former president's answers remains the same.

At one point, as Trump continued to assert that his net worth was greater than was on financial statements and thus the state didn't have a case, he again mentioned a disclaimer clause the company put on its financial statements, saying it "goes on forever."

“That clause isn’t the only thing that goes on forever,” Wallace replied, apparently referring to Trump's previously discursive answers to his questions.
The mood in court has changed
 
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Alina Habba, one of Trump's attorneys, told reporters during the lunch break that Engoron is "unhinged" and had "predetermined" that Trump was guilty.

"I don't want to hear what he has to say," Habba said, quoting the judge's admonishment to Trump's lawyers this morning after Engoron asked Trump to give more succinct answers during his testimony.
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Wow. This lawyer ever hear about bringing the administration of justice into disrepute? Dunno .. maybe that only applies inside the courtroom.
At one point, as Trump continued to assert that his net worth was greater than was on financial statements and thus the state didn't have a case, he again mentioned a disclaimer clause the company put on its financial statements, saying it "goes on forever."

“That clause isn’t the only thing that goes on forever,” Wallace replied, apparently referring to Trump's previously discursive answers to his questions.
The mood in court has changed
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Just like declassification of docs, if he can think it, it is so ?? :p
 

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