GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #60

[Betty P]

Updated Timeline for the time frame we're discussing. This relates to info revealed in the prior acts evidence submitted by the prosecution in relation to Billy Wagner's case. Those documents mention an altercation of some sort between Billy and CR Sr. about 1 week before the murders.

I've left blank Wednesday, April 20, the day before the murders. There were some things alleged to have happened that day, but I need links.

2016


January 2016

Wagner 4 begin plotting to murder the Rhoden family, per indictments

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...Prosecutions/PikeCountyMurderIndictments.aspx


March 21, 2016

Chris Rhoden, Sr. purchases property and home at 3122 Union Hill Rd. for his ex-wife Dana Rhoden, where she lived with their children Hanna Mae Rhoden and Christopher Rhoden, Jr.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...ed-to-family-of-pike-county-victims/84229484/


Two to three weeks prior to murders: Leonard Manley claims Jake Wagner and his father tried to get Hanna M Rhoden to sign documents giving custody of her daughter Sophia to Jake Wagner.

Jake Wagner set to appear in court for Rhoden family massacre


April 3, 2016

Fredericka Wagner and Rita Newcomb forged custody documents related to Sophia, daughter of Jake Wagner and Hanna Rhoden

Billy Wagner to answer to charges for Rhoden, Gilley murders in Pike County

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...ecutions/PikeCountyAdditionalIndictments.aspx


April 7, 2016

Purchase made at Walmart – photo and receipt later retrieved by BCI and presented as evidence for murder indictments

Jan 17, 2019 Discovery Evidence Summary


April 10, 2016

Rhoden family members were reported patrolling the area around their property with guns.

10 Days before Pike County massacre, family patrolled property with firearms - Knowledge Glue


April 15, 2016

Wagner family alleges Hanna Rhoden dropped off her daughter Sophia at their home. This conflicts with other reports that Jake Wagner picked up Sophia around 10:30 pm April 21.


Sunday, April 17, 2016

Hanna Rhoden gives birth to Kylie Rhoden at Southern Ohio Medical Center, Portsmouth, OH

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Monday, April 18, 2016

Photos of Hanna Rhoden in hospital with daughter Sophie and new baby Kylie

Graves: My wish for the Rhoden babies


Wednesday, April 20, 2016


Thursday, April 21, 2016

8 am: Dana arrives at work - Hillcrest Nursing Home, Peebles, OH

10:30 pm – Jake Wagner is reported to have picked up Sophia from Hanna Rhoden, a day earlier than usual

11pm: Dana leaves work - Hillcrest Nursing Home - 14 miles away per CNN

Approx 11:20 pm - Dana arrives home


Friday, April 22, 2016

1 am: April Manley, sister in law of Dana Rhoden, allegedly exchanges text messages with Dana. This information has never been confirmed by LE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf4ObgRJ_Xo[/video


2 am: James Manley later told by LE that he received a text from Jake Wagner, ex-boyfriend of Hanna Rhoden. LE has never confirmed this.

https://www.mydaytondailynews.com/n...tearing-the-scabs-off/DRBSBqKvEMPKFkRjaf4njK/


Between 1 am and 7 am - the following were murdered

• Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (age 40): Nine (face, torso, extremities).

• Dana Rhoden (age 37): Five (head).

• Hannah Gilley (age 20): Five (head)

• Christopher Rhoden, Jr. (age 16): Four (head).

• Clarence “Frankie” Rhoden (age 20): Three (head). Two were “contact wounds” as indicated by soot from the gun on his skull.

• Gary Rhoden (age 37): Three “contact” wounds (head).

• Hanna Rhoden (19): Two (head).

• Kenneth Rhoden (age 44): One (right eye).

https://www.wcpo.com/news/state/sta...reporters-to-inspect-slain-family-s-autopsies

 

[Cool Cats]

The article didn't state who the drive by car occupants were. According to news reports, they were teenagers, but who knows? It's also possible the physical altercation with the Wagners happened later.

Rough timeline, per court docs and news media:

2-3 weeks before the murders - Jake went to Dana's home to pressure Hanna to sign the fake custody documents

10 days before the murders - news report stated the Rhodens stopped a car of teens on the road in front of their property. They were patrolling their property with guns

About 1 week before the murders - there was a fight/physical confrontation between Billy Wagner and Chris Rhoden, Sr., per Billy's prior acts statement

That patrol piece, not from MSM, is based off of Facebook and only guessed that the Rhodens were involved. I give it a 50 50 chance they were involved.

"The un-named group (And based on the very few houses on Union Road, it is extremely likely it was the family or someone connected to those murdered)."

 

[Covert Operative]

That patrol piece, not from MSM, is based off of Facebook and only guessed that the Rhodens were involved. I give it a 50 50 chance they were involved.

"The un-named group (And based on the very few houses on Union Road, it is extremely likely it was the family or someone connected to those murdered)."

Not related to the Rhodens or Kenneth Rhoden either. Or if they were involved there is no proof of that.

At least two were taken in for questioning after the murders in relation to that incident and fb posts.

 

[Betty P]

Not related to the Rhodens or Kenneth Rhoden either. Or if they were involved there is no proof of that.

Quote from the story

In the midst of this, another story unfolded on Facebook, one that was very quickly deleted due to immediate threats started to be issued.

On April the 10th, a group of kids (As claimed) were joyriding on Union Road outside of Piketon Ohio. What unfolded was a scenario that makes one question further just what was going on.

The short of the story is this : While joyriding on Union Road, a group of teenagers was stopped by a unnamed group of armed individuals. The kids were then told to turn around and leave the property. The un-named group (And based on the very few houses on Union Road, it is extremely likely it was the family or someone connected to those murdered). The family that showed up was armed with baseball bats, firearms, and other weapons. They even tried to pull the joyrriding occupants from the car, however the car was able to drive away.
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10 Days before Pike County massacre, family patrolled property with firearms - Knowledge Glue

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The story came from a Facebook post that was later deleted, so no way of knowing the accuracy.

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[Betty P]

At least two were taken in for questioning in relation to that incident and fb posts after the murders.

Two of whom? The kids or the Rhodens? We've never found charges against any of the Rhodens on Pike County records for such an incident. TIA

ETA: Nevermind. It was after the murders, I missed that. I recall some of the kids who were brought in and questioned. They didn't have anything to do with it, but if it was the Rhodens who stopped them, it could mean they were watching out for someone else who caused trouble.

 

[Cool Cats]

At least two were taken in for questioning in relation to that incident and fb posts after the murders.

What does that have to do with the Rhodens?

My problem is taking what is said on Facebook and assuming the Rhodens were involved with guns patrolling their road.

Its important because it makes it seem, when it might not be true, that Rhodens
were aware they were going to be attacked.

There is no indication the Rhodens knew of any plans to harm them.

Well they might have read RM's threat. Can't remember the date it was posted.

 

[Betty P]

What does that have to do with the Rhodens?

My problem is taking what is said on Facebook and assuming the Rhodens were involved with guns patrolling their road.

Its important because it makes it seem, when it might not be true, that Rhodens
were aware they were going to be attacked.

There is no indication the Rhodens knew of any plans to harm them.

Well they might have read RM's threat. Can't remember the date it was posted.

I'm guessing with the fight between Billy W and Chris Sr. that happened about a week before the murders, they had an idea. Jake was pressuring Hanna to give up her baby to his family, physical fight with Billy, probably some confrontation. Rhodens were likely on the alert, JMO. They probably had no idea the extent to which the Wagners were going to come after them.

Remember, also, Dana's social media posts indicating she was really worried and upset in the days before.

 

[Cool Cats]

I'm guessing with the fight between Billy W and Chris Sr. that happened about a week before the murders, they had an idea. Jake was pressuring Hanna to give up her baby to his family, physical fight with Billy, probably some confrontation. Rhodens were likely on the alert, JMO. They probably had no idea the extent to which the Wagners were going to come after them.

Remember, also, Dana's social media posts indicating she was really worried and upset in the days before.

The road patrol everyone is talking about happened 12 days before the homicides.

The Wagner Rhoden confrontation appears to have been after that and does not appear related to that particular incident.

Certainly not related to the Wagner plot. Probably juvenile teenage fights and beefs.

There is confirmation in MSM of teenage fights and threats in the area - here and there - but then they are over and done with.

 

[Covert Operative]

What does that have to do with the Rhodens?

My problem is taking what is said on Facebook and assuming the Rhodens were involved with guns patrolling their road.

Its important because it makes it seem, when it might not be true, that Rhodens
were aware they were going to be attacked.

There is no indication the Rhodens knew of any plans to harm them.

Well they might have read RM's threat. Can't remember the date it was posted.

It has everything to do with the Rhodens.
Mongold said he knew investigators would want to talk to him because just two weeks earlier he threatened Rhoden on his Facebook page. Mongold wrote he was going to beat Rhoden's skull in, after the two were on opposite sides of two groups of friends arguing over money.

"It was dumb stuff," said Mongold, who says just hours after the bodies of the Rhoden family were discovered, comments started popping up on social media pointing finger at him. Mongold says the dispute was eventually settled without any punches.

"We made some threats, but it wasn't like we were gong to kill them. We just wanted to fight them," said

Waverly teen says he was questioned in connection with Pike County mas shooting. | WSYX (abc6onyourside.com)

 

[Cool Cats]

It has everything to do with the Rhodens.
Mongold said he knew investigators would want to talk to him because just two weeks earlier he threatened Rhoden on his Facebook page. Mongold wrote he was going to beat Rhoden's skull in, after the two were on opposite sides of two groups of friends arguing over money.

"It was dumb stuff," said Mongold, who says just hours after the bodies of the Rhoden family were discovered, comments started popping up on social media pointing finger at him. Mongold says the dispute was eventually settled without any punches.

"We made some threats, but it wasn't like we were gong to kill them. We just wanted to fight them," said

Waverly teen says he was questioned in connection with Pike County mas shooting. | WSYX (abc6onyourside.com)

No. The road patrol was not necessarily involving the Rhodens.

It's the road patrol I'm talking about. Were the Rhodens part of it?

Seems if they were it would have been reported on by now by MSM as an important part of the initial case.

Is it possible the Rhodens' felt threatened on that night April 10? Yes.

Do we know for sure they felt threatened enough to walk UHR with a gang and guns? No. Maybe they did but it is just a rumor - a possibility.

No one even mentioned a Rhoden just

"unnamed group of armed individuals"

"I live by Union Hill it's nothing new to have a gun pointed at someone"

 

[Covert Operative]

No. The road patrol was not necessarily involving the Rhodens.
It's the road patrol I'm talking about. Were the Rhodens part of it?

Seems if they were it would have been reported on by now by MSM as an important part of the initial case.

Is it possible the Rhoden's felt threatened on that night April 10? Yes.

Do we know for sure they felt threatened enough to walk UHR with a gang and guns? No.

Maybe they did but it is just a rumor - a possibility.

I cannot post this persons name, but here is their comment about what happened on the 10th. They are a friend of the R family. Their comment is actually down in the bottom of that article where people commented. They claim there were no weapons but they do say that people showed up to make it a fair fight meaning that the R's knew and were prepared in advance to me.

--This is all a lie! There were no weapons, n this group of five car loads were not on a joy ride, they all came to meet n fight two brothers so family n friends showed up to make it a fair fight n when numbers were equal they left. No weapons what so ever were there!!! People will just post whatever on social media to seem tough.

 

[Cool Cats]

I cannot post this persons name, but here is their comment about what happened on the 10th. They are a friend of the R family. Their comment is actually down in the bottom of that article where people commented. They claim there were no weapons but they do say that people showed up to make it a fair fight meaning that the R's knew and were prepared in advance to me.

--This is all a lie! There were no weapons, n this group of five car loads were not on a joy ride, they all came to meet n fight two brothers so family n friends showed up to make it a fair fight n when numbers were equal they left. No weapons what so ever were there!!! People will just post whatever on social media to seem tough.

When someone uses their full name talking to a MSM journalist and identifies how they would they know something ( I'm a neighbor, I'm friends with, I saw "Frankie Rhoden" there and I know him well, etc...)

Then it's much more believable.

I learned this from Websleuths. BW - before Websleuths - I believed just about anything I read.

I apply this principle to Podcasts as well. Which is why I stopped recommending the Rhoden Podcast. Too many anonymous people.

I believe the ones who did use their names though. Said super nice things about Dana and quotes from little Chris.

 

[Covert Operative]

I'm guessing with the fight between Billy W and Chris Sr. that happened about a week before the murders, they had an idea. Jake was pressuring Hanna to give up her baby to his family, physical fight with Billy, probably some confrontation. Rhodens were likely on the alert, JMO. They probably had no idea the extent to which the Wagners were going to come after them.

Remember, also, Dana's social media posts indicating she was really worried and upset in the days before.

I often wonder why R's were not more alert or prepared after the altercation/gun threat by BW. I just think as you said that they did not take the threat to be as serious as it was.

 

[Covert Operative]

When someone uses their name talking to a MSM journalist and identifies how they would they know something ( I'm a neighbor, I'm friends with, I saw "Frankie Rhoden" there, etc...)

Then it's much more believable.

I learned this from Websleuths. BW - before Websleuths - I believed just about anything I read.

I do my research on everything and I do not believe just about anything which seems what you are implying.

 

[Betty P]

I cannot post this persons name, but here is their comment about what happened on the 10th. They are a friend of the R family. Their comment is actually down in the bottom of that article where people commented. They claim there were no weapons but they do say that people showed up to make it a fair fight meaning that the R's knew and were prepared in advance to me.

--This is all a lie! There were no weapons, n this group of five car loads were not on a joy ride, they all came to meet n fight two brothers so family n friends showed up to make it a fair fight n when numbers were equal they left. No weapons what so ever were there!!! People will just post whatever on social media to seem tough.

Sounds about right, JMO.

It may not have been the Wagners that night, but according to the charges in the indictments filed against them, the Wagners were conducting surveillance on the Rhodens - physical surveillance as well as social media, hacking SM messaging accounts, etc. They were seeing when they went to bed, when they got up, when they left for work, where their security cams were located, doors locked, making friends with the guard dogs, etc.

Wagners were making a lot of clandestine trips up and down UHR in those weeks, probably late at night. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rhodens were jumpy in those weeks before the murders, what with the fights, threats and the Wagners creeping around.

I think CR Sr. was on the alert that night when he saw them coming to the front door.

 

[Betty P]

I often wonder why R's were not more alert or prepared after the altercation/gun threat by BW. I just think as you said that they did not take the threat to be as serious as it was.

I think Chris Sr. was still on alert, that's why he saw them coming and ran to the bedroom, either to get out or get his gun.

The Wags probably stayed quiet for a while. Remember, Jake seems to have gone back to being nice to Hanna after trying to get her to sign the custody documents. He probably went on a charm offensive, being helpful and friendly again. Remember, he even went to visit her in the hospital after she had her second baby, taking S to meet the baby.

 

[Covert Operative]

Sounds about right, JMO.

It may not have been the Wagners that night, but according to the charges in the indictments filed against them, the Wagners were conducting surveillance on the Rhodens - physical surveillance as well as social media, hacking SM messaging accounts, etc. They were seeing when they went to bed, when they got up, when they left for work, where their security cams were located, doors locked, making friends with the guard dogs, etc.

Wagners were making a lot of clandestine trips up and down UHR in those weeks, probably late at night. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rhodens were jumpy in those weeks before the murders, what with the fights, threats and the Wagners creeping around.

I think CR Sr. was on the alert that night when he saw them coming to the front door.

It does seems like they all would have been on more alert but I think they did not really think someone would kill them as most people probably would not. I have thought that GR answered the door and then CRsr came up when he heard what was going on and then retreated back.

 

[Covert Operative]

I think Chris Sr. was still on alert, that's why he saw them coming and ran to the bedroom, either to get out or get his gun.

The Wags probably stayed quiet for a while. Remember, Jake seems to have gone back to being nice to Hanna after trying to get her to sign the custody documents. He probably went on a charm offensive, being helpful and friendly again. Remember, he even went to visit her in the hospital after she had her second baby, taking S to meet the baby.

Yes I am sure JW was nice to her off and on when it was needed. I think GR went to door and then CRsr came up when he heard what was going on. I think that initially CRsr was caught off guard also.

 

[Covert Operative]

Two of whom? The kids or the Rhodens? We've never found charges against any of the Rhodens on Pike County records for such an incident. TIA

ETA: Nevermind. It was after the murders, I missed that. I recall some of the kids who were brought in and questioned. They didn't have anything to do with it, but if it was the Rhodens who stopped them, it could mean they were watching out for someone else who caused trouble.

The kids.

 

[Cool Cats]

I do my research on everything and I do not believe just about anything which seems what you are implying.

I was saying what I learned from WS. Has nothing to do with you or other posters.

I respect everyone's right to their opinions. Posters on here have been really nice about my opinions, the things I say that are not facts.