GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #60

[GoBuckeyes]

I thought it made it look like he cut off his index finger the way that bandage looked.

I thought so too, that it looked like he cut off a finger. But then I read @Betty P 's post about it likely being a glove used to cover hand tatts. If you click on the link she provided, I think those pics fit with what I can see of his hand. (But wouldn't those be some extreme measures, cutting off a finger to distort or remove the tattoo. And he'd probably be charged with tampering with evidence to boot!) AMOO

 

[Fayette_kid]

LE and the Federal Government knows now that FWF didn’t make all that money to buy all the land, four wheelers, vehicle, guns, and to live a lifestyle that the Wagners family did by selling horses and pigs, JMO old man BW started the outlaw day’s back in the 70s, does anyone know if the nursing home is still on FWF????

MY OPINION ONLY: I'm still catching up on this thread (I have been really busy with work lately) but I said a long time ago that this whole thing REEKS of meth and other assorted criminal activity, especially Billy and his rune tattoos. He was somewhat thin (compared to what he looks like now) when he was arrested, and so was Jake. Also, trucking culture has long been associated with amphetamines. Billy was getting public assistance, right? Barely had a pot to pi$$ in, but somehow this clan owns an 18 wheeler, multiple 4 wheelers, guns, building barns, the list goes on and on. That stuff is NOT cheap. Just saying that I wouldn't be surprised if long term (months, years long) meth use/meth trafficking made this whole thing sound like it was a great idea to at least a couple of them. Combine that with their family cult behavior and wrap it all up in some religion for good measure.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Warrant issued to track James Manley's truck April 21, 2017

Wagner property searched Friday May 12 - Sunday May 14, 2017

James Manley arrested May 16, 2017

Charges dropped on James Manley May 22, 2017

"Investigators are attempting to pressure a Pike County murder victims’ relative into talking by charging him with evidence tampering and vandalism — charges that cost James Manley a job in Troy — his attorney alleged after learning Manley’s case would go before a grand jury."

Laser focus announcements from DeWine June 21, 2017

Does anyone know if JM was able to get his job back? Poor guy. Seems good jobs are hard to come by, especially in that area.

I wonder if he helped point LE in the right direction while he was in custody? It would be nice if he got to play a role in the Ws' eventual arrests.

 

[Cool Cats]

DBM Double post. Sorry.

If he tried to cover it it wouldn't work, just makes him look more guilty as opposed to saying it meant something completely different from the murders.

Canepa could show a photo of how he tried to cover it and ask:

"Billy tried to cover this tattoo - why is that?"

Just like she asked that question in regards to why were the murder kit items they purchased never recovered.

"Why is that?"

 

[Cool Cats]

Does anyone know if JM was able to get his job back? Poor guy. Seems good jobs are hard to come by, especially in that area.

I wonder if he helped point LE in the right direction while he was in custody? It would be nice if he got to play a role in the Ws' eventual arrests.

I doubt he got it back because LM was still mad about it a year later.

If he helped point LE in the right direction I don't think they would have sent his case to the GJ. I think they would have just closed his case.

I don't think his arrest or his truck is related to the Wagners. Someone else owned his truck.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Tattoo - Billy
Release Form (1 p)

What is interesting to me is that they located the place that gave him the tattoo because they have the release form that you sign before a tattoo.

It's interesting because if Billy said anything incriminating while getting it, the tattoo artist could be a witness.

The tattoo itself isn't a big deal but it's all about why did he get it? The 8 segments look bad but his attorney could say the tattoo artist is the one who decided 8 segments or the tattoo artist could be the one to say Billy insisted on 8 segments....

Also interesting that he was so sure they'd get away with it that he didn't bother to, oh, get it somewhere off the books, from a friend, etc.

 

[Ann99]

Tattoo - Billy
Release Form (1 p)

What is interesting to me is that they located the place that gave him the tattoo because they have the release form that you sign before a tattoo.

It's interesting because if Billy said anything incriminating while getting it, the tattoo artist could be a witness.

The tattoo itself isn't a big deal but it's all about why did he get it? The 8 segments look bad but his attorney could say the tattoo artist is the one who decided 8 segments or the tattoo artist could be the one to say Billy insisted on 8 segments....

This is my opinion only and as you all know, I could be completely wrong about the tattoo place and artist. I will be limited in what I say.
Tattoo artist may have come to light in another event. He may have made a deal. idk, could be wrong.

Eight segments or not, the meaning of the scorpion in fable is well known and accepted.
So, here is one version

The Scorpion and the Frog: Relationships, Interactions and Expectations

"
.....The scorpion shrugged. “I couldn’t help myself. It’s my nature.”

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

Self destruction. “It’s my nature” said the Scorpion".....

 

[Ann99]

Also interesting that he was so sure they'd get away with it that he didn't bother to, oh, get it somewhere off the books, from a friend, etc.

MO
Yes, he seemed sure.
A good question.
Maybe the friend turned out to be - not a friend. I don't know, just theorizing.

 

[Ann99]

I doubt he got it back because LM was still mad about it a year later.

If he helped point LE in the right direction I don't think they would have sent his case to the GJ. I think they would have just closed his case.

I don't think his arrest or his truck is related to the Wagners. Someone else owned his truck.

MO
I think so too. was it someone ' close'? idk.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

MY OPINION ONLY: I'm still catching up on this thread (I have been really busy with work lately) but I said a long time ago that this whole thing REEKS of meth and other assorted criminal activity, especially Billy and his rune tattoos. He was somewhat thin (compared to what he looks like now) when he was arrested, and so was Jake. Also, trucking culture has long been associated with amphetamines. Billy was getting public assistance, right? Barely had a pot to pi$$ in, but somehow this clan owns an 18 wheeler, multiple 4 wheelers, guns, building barns, the list goes on and on. That stuff is NOT cheap. Just saying that I wouldn't be surprised if long term (months, years long) meth use/meth trafficking made this whole thing sound like it was a great idea to at least a couple of them. Combine that with their family cult behavior and wrap it all up in some religion for good measure.

I doubt any of it could have been in his name if he was getting SSI. But I see your point about the possibility of meth addled brains. Although, I think it would have turned up in some of the searches at some point. From what I've heard, it's very hard to get off of?? Or that they would've found a record at a methadone clinic??

 

[Cool Cats]

Also interesting that he was so sure they'd get away with it that he didn't bother to, oh, get it somewhere off the books, from a friend, etc.

I think they thought if they were getting arrested it would be in the few months from the laser focus when everyone was scrutinizing them.

In late spring they came back to Ohio, late spring is the closest "date" mentioned.

They went back to business as usual, the owner of the Sunco near them said they were in there alot.

So my guess is Billy got the tattoo when they got back to Ohio (or right before they left) but before FW was served her subpoena to testify for the GJ that July.

Convening the GJ busted their delusion of having got away with it.

...2 Cents..

 

[GoBuckeyes]

This is my opinion only and as you all know, I could be completely wrong about the tattoo place and artist. I will be limited in what I say.
Tattoo artist may have come to light in another event. He may have made a deal. idk, could be wrong.

Eight segments or not, the meaning of the scorpion in fable is well known and accepted.
So, here is one version

The Scorpion and the Frog: Relationships, Interactions and Expectations

"
.....The scorpion shrugged. “I couldn’t help myself. It’s my nature.”

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

Self destruction. “It’s my nature” said the Scorpion".....

What are your thoughts on why the tattoo artist might have needed to make a deal? TIA

 

[GoBuckeyes]

MO
I think so too. was it someone ' close'? idk.

Close? As in a relative? No, I don't think any Rhoden, Manley, or Gilley was in any way involved.

 

[Ann99]

What are your thoughts on why the tattoo artist might have needed to make a deal? TIA

TOS, I cant mention people who are not ....

I would theorize, maybe someone found himself in a bad situation.

Anyone else imagining a scenario?

 

[Ann99]

Close? As in a relative? No, I don't think any Rhoden, Manley, or Gilley was in any way involved.

You are right.
Not that close.
But kind of close. Maybe geographically close, maybe associate close, maybe another definition of close as in acquaintance or some other way.......It is a guess.

 

[Fayette_kid]

I doubt any of it could have been in his name if he was getting SSI. But I see your point about the possibility of meth addled brains. Although, I think it would have turned up in some of the searches at some point. From what I've heard, it's very hard to get off of?? Or that they would've found a record at a methadone clinic??

Sorry, used "meth" as slang. You get off of heroin or opiates at a methadone clinic. Not for methamphetamines. Methamphetamines keep you awake, and make you get pretty nutty and paranoid. "Meth" and methadone are two different animals.

 

[Covert Operative]

How do you imagine Billy could/would explain the sudden desire for a Scorpion Tattoo?
What, in his mind, would be the significance?

Who can guess what is in Billy's mind?

Non Verbal bragging is my take. I am sure if its admitted defense will say he just liked it. He probably wanted to shout it to the world that he was a badass and killed 8 people, but could not so that was his next bet choice. G4 apparently had a desire for a tattoo also, allegedly.

 

[Cool Cats]

TOS, I cant mention people who are not ....

I would theorize, maybe someone found himself in a bad situation.

Anyone else imagining a scenario?

I don't think any witness on this case had enough info to cop any deal.

Wait, I take that back, RN had enough information to get a plea bargain.

But RN's information supports one of their charges and she was actually involved.

I do think it is possible that the prosecution made an agreement not to prosecute someone for drugs if they gave information about Billy being a drug runner.

I think someone spilled the beans on that.

 

[Fayette_kid]

I think someone spilled the beans on that.[/QUOTE]

I agree. This is why I keep coming back to the methamphetamine angle. Possible white supremacist tattoos on Billy and he is accused of running drugs and murdering 8 people. I do think Billy was high on meth and probably running it too, and was probably hanging around a certain crowd. MOO.

 

[Everything22]

i believe you are correct, although a name isn't given, is it? just tattoo artist?
i have my suspicions as to who it is though.

Right, no name. Do you think it was done in Ohio?