GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #62

[IType]

New entries in GW4's docket just filed today:

06/08/2021 (MOTION NO 69) DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUPPLEMENTARY DISCOVERY FILED Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M; Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK
06/08/2021 (MOTION NO 70) DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO SET A TRIAL DATE FILED Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M; Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

Looks like he's going to roll the dice and take this to trial. JMO

ETA: He is still on the docket for a hearing on 6/21/2021

 

[IType]

Thank you!

Here is link to the Pike County court records website if you want to look at court dates and docket entries. You have to prove you're not a robot on the landing page. Just type the three letters you read in the challenge image and then click on "I Agree". That will take you to the search screen and you can search by last name.

https://pikecountycpcourt.org/eservices/home.page.2

 

[Covert Operative]

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New entries in GW4's docket just filed today:

06/08/2021 (MOTION NO 69) DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUPPLEMENTARY DISCOVERY FILED Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M; Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK
06/08/2021 (MOTION NO 70) DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO SET A TRIAL DATE FILED Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M; Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

Looks like he's going to roll the dice and take this to trial. JMO

ETA: He is still on the docket for a hearing on 6/21/2021

As far as strategy, the roll is probably pretty much the same with a jury or with plea deal. They may be able to hang a jury and then the state may be willing to offer a better plea deal if they do not want to do another trial. We do not know what JW said in his confession about G4. It may be something that G4 defense think may help them slightly. <modsnip> He also may have said something that AW defense might think will help her slightly. Just my opinion. Do not see any of them getting off. The state may not even believe 100 percent what JW said in his confession regarding the other 3. I mean it is the word of a liar and murderer. I guess a jury can decide which liar and murderer they believe the most. JMO

 

[rootbeer]

Here is link to the Pike County court records website if you want to look at court dates and docket entries. You have to prove you're not a robot on the landing page. Just type the three letters you read in the challenge image and then click on "I Agree". That will take you to the search screen and you can search by last name.

https://pikecountycpcourt.org/eservices/home.page.2

Thanks, I'll try

 

[Betty P]

New entries in GW4's docket just filed today:

06/08/2021 (MOTION NO 69) DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUPPLEMENTARY DISCOVERY FILED Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M; Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK
06/08/2021 (MOTION NO 70) DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO SET A TRIAL DATE FILED Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M; Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

Looks like he's going to roll the dice and take this to trial. JMO

ETA: He is still on the docket for a hearing on 6/21/2021

Go for it, GW4. Maybe the inevitable conviction will serve as a lesson to the others. Now, let's make sure the jury pool is from a location outside the sphere of influence of the Wagner family.

The arrogance, hubris and <modsnip> of the Wagner crime family is exceptional among crime families.

 

[Betty P]

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As far as strategy, the roll is probably pretty much the same with a jury or with plea deal. They may be able to hang a jury and then the state may be willing to offer a better plea deal if they do not want to do another trial. We do not know what JW said in his confession about G4. It may be something that G4 defense think may help them slightly. <modsnip> He also may have said something that AW defense might think will help her slightly. Just my opinion. Do not see any of them getting off. The state may not even believe 100 percent what JW said in his confession regarding the other 3. I mean it is the word of a liar and murderer. I guess a jury can decide which liar and murderer they believe the most. JMO

I can't imagine the state being able to offer a "better deal" to a group of people who plotted and carried out the murders of 8 innocent people, especially when the state already has so much evidence. The state has no incentive to do that. These people present a serious danger to the public and should never be allowed outside prison ever again. Just like the Manson Family. Tex Watson has been denied parole 17 times since he was first imprisoned for the murders he and others committed. What makes anyone think George Wagner 4 deserves anything better after helping kill twice as many innocent people?

Tex Watson - Wikipedia

 

[Covert Operative]

I can't imagine the state being able to offer a "better deal" to a group of people who plotted and carried out the murders of 8 innocent people, especially when the state already has so much evidence. The state has no incentive to do that. These people present a serious danger to the public and should never be allowed outside prison ever again. Just like the Manson Family. Tex Watson has been denied parole 17 times since he was first imprisoned for the murders he and others committed. What makes anyone think George Wagner 4 deserves anything better after helping kill twice as many innocent people?

He thinks it because he is a liar and a murderer, the same reason he thought he had the right to kill them. I did not say offer to a group I am speaking of G4. We do not know what JW said about him being involved, we do not know exactly what evidence they have on G4, we do not know if G4 is going to say he was forced to go along with his cult family or that JW shot them all. We do not know what one juror may think and decide. Nobody says they deserve to be outside of prison, people are talking about strategy which is what I have seen in many previous posts and others seem to think that they are saying they are innocent, which is not the case.

 

[IType]

Go for it, GW4. Maybe the inevitable conviction will serve as a lesson to the others. Now, let's make sure the jury pool is from a location outside the sphere of influence of the Wagner family.

The arrogance, hubris and mental illness of the Wagner crime family is exceptional among crime families.

I wonder if this continued push toward trial is completely GW4's own idea, or if FW is pulling his attorneys' strings. If it is solely GW4's doing, I just don't understand why he can't get it through his head that being involved in any fashion in the planning of and/or carrying out the murders--even if he didn't pull a trigger--still makes him guilty. His own brother and maternal grandmother are going to testify against him. Why doesn't he just accept it? JMO, Just shaking my head.

 

[Betty P]

I understand and agree. We don't know what evidence the state has, though we do know that Jake gave them a lot more. I tend to think Judge Deering wouldn't have signed off on Jake's plea agreement (including taking the DP off the table for all 4) if he didn't see Jake's evidence and witness testimony as strong and irrefutable.

That's not to say the defense attorneys won't try to refute or cast doubt on Jake's testimony, but if the judge (and Gov. DeWine) thinks it will stand up to a defense challenge, it must be pretty strong. JMO, a lot of thought, discussion and weighing of options went into it. DeWine plans to run for re-election, so he's not going to start taking political risks on this case.

 

[Betty P]

I wonder if this continued push toward trial is completely GW4's own idea, or if FW is pulling his attorneys' strings. If it is solely GW4's doing, I just don't understand why he can't get it through his head that being involved in any fashion in the planning of and/or carrying out the murders--even if he didn't pull a trigger--still makes him guilty. His own brother and maternal grandmother are going to testify against him. Why doesn't he just accept it? JMO, Just shaking my head.

JMO, Grandma is probably pushing for it, too. Wagners appear to have always been full of hubris, bold psychopathic criminals accustomed to bullying some and cajoling others to get their way. The local court systems probably gave them a lot of leeway because of money and power. They seemed good at using pressure to get what they wanted and likely took some form of revenge on those who tried to stand up to them. I get the strong impression from FW that she will do whatever it takes to punish public officials, news media, etc. who challenge her. Somehow, she probably thinks GW4 going to trial will enable them to punish prosecutors, local LE, etc. She probably spends a lot of time plotting revenge.

This family truly believes the laws don't apply to them.

ETA: I also think FW has long-standing relationships with many of the defense attorneys, LE, etc. involved in this case. She has spent many years pushing buttons to get what she wants from them and thinks she can keep doing it. I also think (JMO only), she has people who "work for or owe her" working within the system.

This time, I think she and the rest of the family will lose the game they're playing. All JMO, based on my own opinions.

 

[sunshineray]

I'm not sure how many alternatives there could be concerning the planning and executing the murders. I'm just a simple layperson, but I can think outside the box. This case seems pretty simple. Jealousy, control, power, revenge and evil led the charge. What did I miss?

What I do know is that if one of the 4 Ws went to LE prior to the deaths then this conversation wouldnt be happening.

The little evidence known to the public points to all four in the planning of the murders. We know none of the 4 had the intestinal fortitude to rise up to either convince the others this was crazy or go to LE to stop it.

Nothing is ever fully black and white but this isnt so far off. The 4 Ws stalked, spied, planned and executed the murder of 8 people. All 4 are cowards for not reporting the planning. Whether they were all o n UHR the fateful night, or hanging out with granny on the farm, they are equally guilty.

What is your narrative?
What are some of your alternative theories?
In this case, what aspect do you consider muddled?

Respectfully,
Dave

Very well said Dave. I couldn't have stated it better. All 4 W's are equally guilty of the planning and slaughter of 8 human beings. I'm positive JW's testimony and the evidence will show this without any doubts.

 

[sunshineray]

New entries in GW4's docket just filed today:

06/08/2021 (MOTION NO 69) DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUPPLEMENTARY DISCOVERY FILED Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M; Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK
06/08/2021 (MOTION NO 70) DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO SET A TRIAL DATE FILED Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M; Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK

Looks like he's going to roll the dice and take this to trial. JMO

ETA: He is still on the docket for a hearing on 6/21/2021

I think it's all a lawyerly show. The trial hasn't started yet. There will be depositions to take too. Those may enlighten his defense a bit more about just what will be said in front of a jury. AJMO

 

[Dudly]

I understand and agree. We don't know what evidence the state has, though we do know that Jake gave them a lot more. I tend to think Judge Deering wouldn't have signed off on Jake's plea agreement (including taking the DP off the table for all 4) if he didn't see Jake's evidence and witness testimony as strong and irrefutable.

That's not to say the defense attorneys won't try to refute or cast doubt on Jake's testimony, but if the judge (and Gov. DeWine) thinks it will stand up to a defense challenge, it must be pretty strong. JMO, a lot of thought, discussion and weighing of options went into it. DeWine plans to run for re-election, so he's not going to start taking political risks on this case.

The Defense Attorneys have to try to help their clients or their can be a chance for a mistrial if they do not. They can make lots of claims about who did what and why. I believe there is enough evidence to keep them all in prison longer than they will live. That said, it only takes one juror to change everything...

 

[Betty P]

The Defense Attorneys have to try to help their clients or their can be a chance for a mistrial if they do not. They can make lots of claims about who did what and why. I believe there is enough evidence to keep them all in prison longer than they will live. That said, it only takes one juror to change everything...

I understand that, but I doubt any judge would agree that these defense attorneys haven't done all that's reasonably expected of them. The ringleader confessed to everything, provided conclusive evidence to the prosecution and gave details about the involvement of the accomplices, on top of the reams of evidence the prosecution had already gathered.

<modsnip>

 

[gizmobtj]

I wonder if this continued push toward trial is completely GW4's own idea, or if FW is pulling his attorneys' strings. If it is solely GW4's doing, I just don't understand why he can't get it through his head that being involved in any fashion in the planning of and/or carrying out the murders--even if he didn't pull a trigger--still makes him guilty. His own brother and maternal grandmother are going to testify against him. Why doesn't he just accept it? JMO, Just shaking my head.

There probably many upsides to JW's confession, but one thing it might do, depending on the evidence, is give them all one defense: Jake did it all.

 

[Betty P]

There probably many upsides to JW's confession, but one thing it might do, depending on the evidence, is give them all one defense: Jake did it all.

Except for all the irrefutable evidence showing the others were involved, in planning, execution and cover-up.

The Wags may want to reconsider, if they're all thinking of pushing for a trial. There are still many ways their punishment can be made more difficult. As others have pointed out, taking a plea deal might allow them to have visits with family in the future, including conjugal visits.

<modsnip>

Shocking to realize that the Rhoden Family Massacre was a far worse crime than the Tate-LaBianca murders. The Wagners are worse than the Manson Family.

 

[Covert Operative]

From Courtview. .
G4 - 06/08/2021 SUBPOENA ISSUED TO GREGORY MYERS...... He is JW attorney.

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[Betty P]

From Courtview. .
G4 - 06/08/2021 SUBPOENA ISSUED TO GREGORY MYERS...... He is JW attorney.

Welcome Page - CourtView Justice Solutions (pikecountycpcourt.org)

Assume he wants to try to discredit the info in Jake's confession, somehow blame it on his attorney. Good luck.

 

[Dudly]

Assume he wants to try to discredit the info in Jake's confession, somehow blame it on his attorney. Good luck.

What can they ask him that wouldn’t break the attorney/client privilege?
Can they ask JW’s attorney if JW told him anything that would get their client off on any charges?

 

[IType]

What can they ask him that wouldn’t break the attorney/client privilege?
Can they ask JW’s attorney if JW told him anything that would get their client off on any charges?

As mentioned a few posts back, the defense attorneys are supposed to provide the best defense they possibly can. Maybe this is GW4 attorney's method of doing so. Kind of like "go big or go home", I guess. Give it a shot, maybe something beneficial will come out of it. If not, at least he tried.

I did an online search of "subpoena co-defendant's attorney in murder case". Just a quick skim of the results IMO showed that this situation does happen when there are co-defendants and at least one takes a plea deal. IMO, when the co-defendant's attorney takes the stand, they will answer the general questions that are of the least importance. But, when they are asked specific questions about what they were told by their client, they state it's attorney-client privilege and don't answer. Of the few cases I looked at, the judge didn't force the attorney to answer. JMO