GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #64

[Ann99]

One person that comes to mind is CN. He is witness from when GW bought his gun. AW has known him all his life.

MO
Yes, I believe CN can provide a great deal of information, going back to the earlier days of W's prior bad deeds and up thru the recent times.

 

[Covert Operative]

TY, CO, This is a great list. ^^
At the bottom of page 2 (KR) and mid way on page 3 both KR and GR names.
But I don't know what this small bit of info. means.
Just curious that those 2 names are mentioned together on a report.

I had noticed it had both their names listed together, am not sure what that may mean.

It also has a Sims card mentioned for DR. I am not sure how they would have her Sims card if they did not have her phone unless it was an old sims card found in her home.

 

[IType]

CC , IType, and anyone else with an opinion.
Thoughts on these two phrases from AC on the day of Jakes Guilty Plea.

2:00.32

Starting at approx 1:50 and for 2 minutes or so.

AC Stated:

...removed the cell phones on all but 2 of the victims...

....they asked others to lie to cover up this particular crime....
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MOO
Wondering, what OTHERS ? Who? How many OTHERS?
Would that have been FW and RN?
Or additional people in the Wagner world.
I believe charges against FW will be refiled, and she will face new and more serious charges. AC did indicate JW would testify at Grand Jury Proceedings.

On the cell phones, any ideas on the 2 cell phones not taken? I hadn't realized this - 2 were not taken. Was that an error or oversight on the part of the Wagners? What info. might have been available to BCI on those 2 cell phones?
I have a feeling one could have been KR. Just a guess.
All MO.

I'm not sure what to make of the two phones not taken.

As for asking others to cover up the crimes in this case, I'm pretty sure at least one is RN. Not sure about anyone else, though. JMO

 

[IType]

I would think the “others” could include RN, FW, and RW.
The phones not taken could be HG, CRjr, or KR...

AW's brother could be another person asked to lie to cover up the crimes. Surely he knew AW was telling RN to lie about the fake custody documents. Maybe he was asked to lie, if asked, and say that RN did notarize the papers.

He also could have been asked to lie to BCI about being with GW4 when he bought a Glock and about seeing JW and GW4 with dyed hair at the time of the murders (Agent Scheiderer's testimony at GW4 bond hearing in August 2020 confirmed CN gave both of those pieces of info to BCI).

JMO

 

[IType]

I am thinking this may be JWs ex-wife.

The motion says "plaintiff's witnesses", so there may be more than one person they want the juvenile records of.

I think possibly either GW4's ex-wife or JW's ex-wife could be included in this plaintiff's witnesses group. If they had any type of criminal record as a juvenile, then AW's lawyers may want that info to try and discredit them when they testify. Possibly say something along the lines of, "This person can't be trusted because they were arrested for ____." Just a thought, IMO.

 

[IType]

It could be an old phone that he had that was broken and found by LE in the home. It could have been his current phone damaged at the scene in some way and the W's could not find it.

Or, since autopsies indicate there was a struggle at CRSR's, maybe the W4 were rushing to get away from the scene and didn't take time to look for phones. JMO

 

[Antimony]

Some people have multiple cell phones.
They might be on different accounts for several reasons.
The murderers might not have taken that into consideration.

 

[Ann99]

I am thinking this may be JWs ex-wife.

Yes, it should be as I think she can provide so insight.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, it should be as I think she can provide so insight.

EW is definitely a witness and provided much information but I don't think it's her juvenile record that is referred to in Angela's Motion.

She did not even know of the Wagners until 2017.

She only met them in church in summer or fall 2017 and had left them a year later filing an Ohio Uniform Incident Report against Jake. (Identity theft, harassment)

March 20, 2019
Angela Supplemental Discovery Filed
Pike County Clerk - Common Pleas Court

EW -
request for SSN (1 p)
Ohio Uniform Incident Report 8-15-18 (4 pp)

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Some people have multiple cell phones.
They might be on different accounts for several reasons.
The murderers might not have taken that into consideration.

Both family where some in kind of shady business, The Rhodens was caught raising weed when they was murder, they dealt In rebuilt automobiles, which

EW is definitely a witness and provided much information but I don't think it's her juvenile record that is referred to in Angela's Motion.

She did not even know of the Wagners until 2017.

She only met them in church in summer or fall 2017 and had left them a year later filing an Ohio Uniform Incident Report against Jake. (Identity theft, harassment)

March 20, 2019
Angela Supplemental Discovery Filed
Pike County Clerk - Common Pleas Court

EW -
request for SSN (1 p)
Ohio Uniform Incident Report 8-15-18 (4 pp)

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Angela Wagner is really the Evil One, that Dana was texting about, JMO
If you listen to other people talking in the different podcasts, they all speak about how controlling over her sons she was,
She is the one that organized the Rhodens murders, JMO, she is the one that listens and monitor the mirror drives that Jake Wagner downloaded on the Rhodens and James Manleys computers, Jake and George placed several surveillance devices around the Rhodens property, they both worked part time driving trucks and doing mechanic work, so someone had to be there to watch what the Rhodens where doing, and IMO, Angela Wagner is the Master Mind! JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Both family where some in kind of shady business, The Rhodens was caught raising weed when they was murder, they dealt In rebuilt automobiles, which

Angela Wagner is really the Evil One, that Dana was texting about, JMO
If you listen to other people talking in the different podcasts, they all speak about how controlling over her sons she was,
She is the one that organized the Rhodens murders, JMO, she is the one that listens and monitor the mirror drives that Jake Wagner downloaded on the Rhodens and James Manleys computers, Jake and George placed several surveillance devices around the Rhodens property, they both worked part time driving trucks and doing mechanic work, so someone had to be there to watch what the Rhodens where doing, and IMO, Angela Wagner is the Master Mind! JMO

Grandmother charged with forging custody documents in Pike Co. massacre returns to court

Angela Wagner is the suspected mastermind of the Rhoden/Gilley murders. Prosecutors have said the Wagners were "obsessed" with custody and control of children (namely Wagner's granddaughter, Hanna Rhoden's daughter)

I agree that Angela was the driving force in the whole thing. She spied on Hanna's Facebook messages and screen shot them and ran to Jake about them, including where Hanna said she would never sign papers.

All Angela had to do is play family peace maker but instead she egged Jake on, manipulated them all to commit 8 murders while she smugly sat at home with her Boondock Saints movie and the grandkids she arrogantly and evilly stole away.

No wonder we don't see her, she is probably too embarrassed to be seen in public. Well now everyone knows where she is going for the dentist.

Scheiderer Testimony

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Grandmother charged with forging custody documents in Pike Co. massacre returns to court

Angela Wagner is the suspected mastermind of the Rhoden/Gilley murders. Prosecutors have said the Wagners were "obsessed" with custody and control of children (namely Wagner's granddaughter, Hanna Rhoden's daughter)

I agree that Angela was the driving force in the whole thing. She spied on Hanna's Facebook messages and screen shot them and ran to Jake about them, including where Hanna said she would never sign papers.

All Angela had to do is play family peace maker but instead she egged Jake on, manipulated them all to commit 8 murders while she smugly sat at home with her Boondock Saints movie and the grandkids she arrogantly and evilly stole away.

No wonder we don't see her, she is probably too embarrassed to be seen in public. Well now everyone knows where she is going for the dentist.

Scheiderer Testimony

CC
You read all the past post about Jake being buddy buddy with James Manleys, that was for a reason, so he could install spyware on his computer, JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

How many Sleuthers believe that now that Angela Wagner has seen all information about the murders and how she failed as a mother, grandmother and a master murder, JMO she has had a nervous breakdown, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

How many Sleuthers believe that now that Angela Wagner has seen all information about the murders and how she failed as a mother, grandmother and a master murder, JMO she has had a nervous breakdown, JMO

I was suspicious of this but then she made those 2 phone calls that I think have stopped her from getting her phone privileges back. She made the first call on the day of Jake's confession, the 22nd of April.

To me it looks like she is plenty lucid to continue sneaking phone calls to try to find out information on Jake because he pled guilty. She hasn't changed, she has always controlled him and even did the 3-way call with him.

Plus she has a normal dental appointment. Doesn't seem like she is locked up somewhere due to a nervous breakdown.

Remember all the forbidden phone calls to her mother trying to tell her what to do?

From my linked article above:

While Newcomb was on house arrest, she violated the conditions of her bail by talking with her daughter, Angela Wagner, by telephone. Prosecutors said Newcomb and her daughter were recorded on jail phone calls discussing case strategy and the custody documents in question. Asst. Attorney General Angie Canepa said Wagner gave her mother “buzz words” to use to explain the documents.

She also told Rita she did not have to testify against them.

This controlling obsessive Angie is still pulling her @#$%& in the Delaware County jail, likely bossing other inmates around is how I am seeing it. Lucid as the day is long and scheming and plotting to get her control back, to get her way. Likely giving messages to George and Jake through her attorneys.

#9 Of The Other Acts Evidence says they used their attorneys to control people while they were incarcerated.

"Asking and/or ordering potential witnesses against them not to speak to investigators and/or not appear pursuant to subpoena, and/or hiring attorneys for witnesses and accompanying them to their

attorney's offices and continuing to do these things even after their arrest via phone calls and contacts by their respective attorneys.... "

 

[Cool Cats]

CC
You read all the past post about Jake being buddy buddy with James Manleys, that was for a reason, so he could install spyware on his computer, JMO

Wouldn't put it past them. I do wonder if the Wagners were trying to set JM up with the 2:00am text message. Unless BCI lied to LM, LM was told there was a text that night between Jake and JM.

If true, I believe it was Angie using Jake's phone from Peterson Rd to set up JM. Scheiderer (Bond Hearing Testimony) said George's phone was traced to Peterson Rd that night so I believe Jake's phone was there also.

Plus the Wagners knew when and where BJM would discover the crime scenes (DeWine said they knew the victim's movements which in my opinion includes BJM feeding Chris's animals) and by implicating JM it implicated BJM as well.

Plus it's possible that the Wagners put suspicion on the Manleys the first time they were notified by BCI of what happened. BCI would have had to see for themselves that Jake's daughter was OK, meaning they needed to see her in person I believe.

At that point the Wagners could have given BCI an untruthful earful about the Manleys, implicating the Manleys, especially implicating JM and BJM.

~ The way I see it ~

For "some reason" the Manleys were targeted by BCI that first year. Reader thought it was locals, wonder which locals he suspected? Manleys or Wagners? Humm...

https://www.wcpo.com/longform/pike-...lers-in-rhoden-family-homicides-may-be-locals

 

[altojack]

@Cool Cats

I agree that the Manleys were targeted that first year and De Wine was very strongly agreeing with the idea.

Charlie Reader believed it was locals quite early on but De Wine shut him down. De Wine quite often cur Reader off speaking during pressers. This makes me believe that Charlie Reader thought it could be The Wagners, never the Manleys.

 

[Cool Cats]

Too late now. The 13th is a week from today, next Monday...OOPS....

08/17/2021
MOTION TO ADVANCE SEPTEMBER 13TH PRE-TRIAL HEARING CONCERNING DISCOVERY VIOLATIONS FILED

G4 - Defense motion asking for a hearing before Sept 13th.
*Document from Court View, Approved by Moderator*

 

[Chris_p_bacon]

Long time follower of this thread. First time poster.

I have to say, I think this was excellent investigating skills on this case. It seems to me they have all persons involved in jail awaiting trial. So, I have wondered at what point the investigators knew at least one of the wagners was involved and which one it was. Then I wonder if the investigators thought perhaps only one other accomplice and who that one was. And then when was it they knew the whole wagner family was involved.

What I do say is it was a brilliant move on the investigators part to interview them as they were crossing the canadian border in montana. At least I think that is where I read that once. They were either on their way driving to Alaska or on their way back. But if you think about how far of a drive that is, everyone in the vehicles getting road tired......then as the Wagner 4 try to cross the border they are seperated and surprise interviewed on the Rhoden murders. Brilliant. Just the sheer logistics to pull that off had to be amazing.

One other thought about this case. I wonder if the Wagners thought they could get away with this despicable crime because they might have had a discreet ally within the local law enforcement offices. This ally perhaps could have let the Wagners know when the investigation was looking at them. I only mention this as it seems very timely that Sheriff Raeder had charges against him just when it seems he was getting the investigation to look at the Wagners a little harder. Perhaps this ally assisted getting dirt on Raeder to get him out of the way via criminal charges. It seems, the Wagners had a bit of a crime syndicate going on so it would not surprise me.

 

[Cool Cats]

Long time follower of this thread. First time poster.

I have to say, I think this was excellent investigating skills on this case. It seems to me they have all persons involved in jail awaiting trial. So, I have wondered at what point the investigators knew at least one of the wagners was involved and which one it was. Then I wonder if the investigators thought perhaps only one other accomplice and who that one was. And then when was it they knew the whole wagner family was involved.

What I do say is it was a brilliant move on the investigators part to interview them as they were crossing the canadian border in montana. At least I think that is where I read that once. They were either on their way driving to Alaska or on their way back. But if you think about how far of a drive that is, everyone in the vehicles getting road tired......then as the Wagner 4 try to cross the border they are seperated and surprise interviewed on the Rhoden murders. Brilliant. Just the sheer logistics to pull that off had to be amazing.

One other thought about this case. I wonder if the Wagners thought they could get away with this despicable crime because they might have had a discreet ally within the local law enforcement offices. This ally perhaps could have let the Wagners know when the investigation was looking at them. I only mention this as it seems very timely that Sheriff Raeder had charges against him just when it seems he was getting the investigation to look at the Wagners a little harder. Perhaps this ally assisted getting dirt on Raeder to get him out of the way via criminal charges. It seems, the Wagners had a bit of a crime syndicate going on so it would not surprise me.

The complaint against CR to the auditor's office was November 9th 2018. The Wagners were arrested 4 days later. BCI was zeroing in on the Wagners way back in May of 2017.

I have never heard of any LE official in cahoots with any Wagner. CR wanted the Wagners arrested and if anyone on the County payroll was giving the Wagners inside information then BCI would have found this out and that person would be arrested by now for conspiracy and obstruction of justice.

No I don't think the Wagner Crime Family had anyone else on board assisting them in any way, be more arrests if that were the Case.

At the Canadian border BCI seized the laptop that revealed evidence that the Wagners had been hacking into people's Facebook accounts and reading private messages. The laptop also revealed evidence of them having downloaded custody documents.

Right, the surprise border search threw the Wagner Crime Family off guard and they had no time to get rid of the incriminating laptop or to get their stories straight.

The Wagners were separated and interviewed and gave different accounts. Angela admitted buying the Walmart shoes for George and Jake but George and Jake denied knowing anything about the shoes.

Angela said she showed them the shoes and they didn't like them so she threw them out. Then why keep the receipt? Her story is so full of holes it looks like Swiss cheese.

Glad to see someone new posting and happy to hear your point of view.

~ Opinion and information from Scheiderer's Testimony at George's Bond Hearing ~

 

[Betty P]

Long time follower of this thread. First time poster.

I have to say, I think this was excellent investigating skills on this case. It seems to me they have all persons involved in jail awaiting trial. So, I have wondered at what point the investigators knew at least one of the wagners was involved and which one it was. Then I wonder if the investigators thought perhaps only one other accomplice and who that one was. And then when was it they knew the whole wagner family was involved.

What I do say is it was a brilliant move on the investigators part to interview them as they were crossing the canadian border in montana. At least I think that is where I read that once. They were either on their way driving to Alaska or on their way back. But if you think about how far of a drive that is, everyone in the vehicles getting road tired......then as the Wagner 4 try to cross the border they are seperated and surprise interviewed on the Rhoden murders. Brilliant. Just the sheer logistics to pull that off had to be amazing.

One other thought about this case. I wonder if the Wagners thought they could get away with this despicable crime because they might have had a discreet ally within the local law enforcement offices. This ally perhaps could have let the Wagners know when the investigation was looking at them. I only mention this as it seems very timely that Sheriff Raeder had charges against him just when it seems he was getting the investigation to look at the Wagners a little harder. Perhaps this ally assisted getting dirt on Raeder to get him out of the way via criminal charges. It seems, the Wagners had a bit of a crime syndicate going on so it would not surprise me.

If you go back to discussions here at Websleuths at the time the Wagners left for AK, you will find a !ot of anger and frustration that the Wagners were allowed by LE to leave OH for AK. Opinions were especially strong here since LE had recently arrested and provided heavy news coverage for the mistaken arrest of James Manley for involvement in the murders.

LE tried to downplay the searches of the Wagner properties, but most people here thought they were critical and were upset the Wagners had been allowed to leave Ohio with Hanna Rhoden's daughter. Many felt at that time the investigation might never find the real killers. It was a real low point.

LE was fortunate they found the evidence they did in the search at the Canadian border, JMO. Its lucky it hadn't been disposed of in the 16 months since the murders.

JMO, LE was split in their opinion of who the killers were. Gov. DeWine hinted as much in his interview after Jake Wagner's recent confession when he said it was Charlie Reader who pushed them all to go after the Wagners.

Were the Wagners getting any inside help from Pike County Sheriff's or Prosecutor's Office during the investigation? That's a very good question. There's no evidence of it. JMO they did receive favorable treatment in prior years when Billy was arrested for waving a gun at a woman while driving on the highway and again when he and AW were arrested on various theft charges.

Then there's the decision by a Pike County judge to allow Jake Wagner to have full custody of the daughter whose mother he had brutally murdered just a few months prior.

Up until their arrests in the fall of 2018, the Wagners were regarded by LE as part of the elite of Pike County, wealthy, powerful, religious people who were among the largest landowners around. In rural US, that can make people immune to any suspicion of criminal activity JMO.

The Wagners did think they would get away with murdering 8 innocent people and they almost did. We're very lucky that common sense and public pressure prevailed and the real killers were arrested. Even more lucky that one confessed. All JMO.