GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #65

[Antimony]

Do the Wagner's seem to be the type of irresponsible persons that would leave a small child alone and asleep at home while
embarking on a mass murder spree?

 

[LMDlong]

I'm becoming more confused. Relistened this morning and still thought I heard "moving bodies". At one point it sounds like she was inside all homes. Then AC reads her but out and it's coming across differently, as though AW was at home.
The hearing it's self sound wise is very bad apart from AC. She is nice and loud, but omg she does talk quickly in places.
So I still don't have an answer.

Oh, hang on! If SW was taken the night of the killings, was AW there to take the little one out before the killing started?

Sorry didn’t mean to confuse you more.

 

[LMDlong]

I'm becoming more confused. Relistened this morning and still thought I heard "moving bodies". At one point it sounds like she was inside all homes. Then AC reads her but out and it's coming across differently, as though AW was at home.
The hearing it's self sound wise is very bad apart from AC. She is nice and loud, but omg she does talk quickly in places.
So I still don't have an answer.

Oh, hang on! If SW was taken the night of the killings, was AW there to take the little one out before the killing started?

Sorry didn’t mean to confuse you more.

I am sure you could go to court and try to do that. I know Dale Earnhardt's wife was successful at having his autopsy photos sealed but I am not sure how much that cost her. All states may be different in how they handle autopsy results being made public. I think Ohio is a public state for autopsies.

Yes I would. You made good points. From personal experience in the state of Ohio there are autopsy records I have searched that I could not access. But things do change over time.

 

[Cool Cats]

Do the Wagner's seem to be the type of irresponsible persons that would leave a small child alone and asleep at home while
embarking on a mass murder spree?

No. Canepa was very clear, @Tiff23fr even transcribed it - Angie stayed home on Peterson Rd. that night. She did not have kids in cars at the murder scenes, she did not move bodies.

Must be misunderstandings due to the sound why people think Angie went to the murder scenes, why people think she hauled the kids around and why people think she moved bodies.

She did zero of these things. Zero with a capital Z.

 

[LMDlong]

I am sure you could go to court and try to do that. I know Dale Earnhardt's wife was successful at having his autopsy photos sealed but I am not sure how much that cost her. All states may be different in how they handle autopsy results being made public. I think Ohio is a public state for autopsies.

Hey CO I just checked the are public unless they are from a homicide or and on going trial . After the trial then they are released. My personal experiences were homicides.

 

[altojack]

This all boggles the mind. A fresh start tomorrow I think. Bright eyed, ears alert, brain switched on, not that it's off just now!
One more thing. How and when was SW taken that dreadful morning? Hmmm.

 

[Cool Cats]

This all boggles the mind. A fresh start tomorrow I think. Bright eyed, ears alert, brain switched on, not that it's off just now!
One more thing. How and when was SW taken that dreadful morning? Hmmm.

She wasn't this is a rumor. She was not taken out of a home that night.

There is zero evidence of this. She was with Angela on Peterson Rd because Jake had her for visitation at that time.

There are 2 times Jake said he had her that night and likely family would know this too. Such as Kendra who was planning to spend the night. Other family most likely knew about this also. Not super hard to verify.

Everyone would have known who she was with when Hanna was in the hospital, who she was with that whole week.

 

[altojack]

She wasn't this is a rumor. She was not taken out of a home that night.

There is zero evidence of this. She was with Angela on Peterson Rd because Jake had her for visitation at that time.

Right gotcha. So JW did get her early like he said. I'm done on that one now. Thanks CC

 

[twall]

No. Canepa was very clear, @Tiff23fr even transcribed it - Angie stayed home on Peterson Rd. that night. She did not have kids in cars at the murder scenes, she did not move bodies.

Must be misunderstandings due to the sound why people think Angie went to the murder scenes, why people think she hauled the kids around and why people think she moved bodies.

She did zero of these things. Zero with a capital Z.

So she can still be charged, indicted and convicted of Aggravated
Burglary Ohio Section 2911.11 (counts 10-14, spec. 1, 2, 3-starts on p. 22 of indictment) by knowledge alone?

Section 2911.11 - Ohio Revised Code | Ohio Laws

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...cial-Prosecutions/PikeCountyMurderIndictments

 

[altojack]

Sorry didn’t mean to confuse you more.

No you didn't. I thought I heard two different things, which I obviously didn't. No apology necessary.

 

[Cool Cats]

So she can still be charged, indicted and convicted of Aggravated
Burglary Ohio Section 2911.11 (counts 10-14, spec. 1, 2, 3-starts on p. 22 of indictment) by knowledge alone?

Section 2911.11 - Ohio Revised Code | Ohio Laws

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...cial-Prosecutions/PikeCountyMurderIndictments

Yes. She pled guilty to it.

 

[twall]

Canepa stated:

In her statement, AW admitted that she and her family members JW, GW and BW all conspired together to commit these horrific offenses. Specifically, they entered into the homes at four different locations which we have already outlined in the indictment in order to kill these victims in this case.

Is AW included in the "they entered into the homes"?

 

[Cool Cats]

Canepa stated:

In her statement, AW admitted that she and her family members JW, GW and BW all conspired together to commit these horrific offenses. Specifically, they entered into the homes at four different locations which we have already outlined in the indictment in order to kill these victims in this case.

Is AW included in the "they entered into the homes"?

No. Canepa said Angie stayed home, previously posted.

They = Billy, George and Jake.

Canepa Quote referring to Angie:

"The defendant's three co-defendants trespassed into each of the four residents where the victims were found with the intent to kill them."

 

[JayWill]

It is hard to believe that people like this exist and it is not some movie or plot from a book. It really happened and they thought that they had got away with it.

 

[twall]

Yes. She pled guilty to it.

I realize that. I know one can be convicted of murder on knowledge alone but aggravated burglary? The Section clearly states one must trespass in an occupied structure while carrying a firearm which the indictment clearly states AW did. If she wasn't there why plead guilty to all 4 counts? Just because the state wouldn't dismiss those charges?

 

[Cool Cats]

I realize that. I know one can be convicted of murder on knowledge alone but aggravated burglary? The Section clearly states one must trespass in an occupied structure while carrying a firearm which the indictment clearly states AW did. If she wasn't there why plead guilty to all 4 counts? Just because the state wouldn't dismiss those charges?

Yup. The deal was only for dropping the 8 murder charges. No deal on dropping the other charges. This was the best her attorneys could get for her so she took it.

If her attorneys could have gotton other charges dropped they would have, could have possibly lessened her sentence.

The prosecutors did not want to drop the burglary charge because they did not want a sentence below 30 years. How it looks to me.

Judge and family accepted it so it is a done deal. Family agreed to this plea deal.

 

[Dudly]

Could be a typo. Or, could be that by now they all have realized there will be at least an hour discussion, negotiation in Judges Chambers before anything else gets started. So Billy wouldn't be need, maybe not until noon, if even then

Anyone? is there a holding cell there at the CourtHouse?

With all the security AW had, they wouldn’t need a holding cell...

 

[Cool Cats]

With all the security AW had, they wouldn’t need a holding cell...

They have to use the holding cell because they are removing her ankle and wrist cuffs. Then she needs privacy so she can remove her top to get into the shock vest. Probably a female officer helps her if she needs assistance.

 

[almond]

This link has a interruption in it as well, but Canepa picks back up at 2:51:38

Canepa’s Closing Statement
As best as I could hear it..

Jake Wagner spent two days providing us information which ultimately came into this court April 22, 2021, 5 years to the day after the homocides and admitted to the courts that he was guilty of each and every one of the 23 counts contained in his indictment. As noted, the information he provided also implicated each of his co-defendants as also being complicit in all of the offenses. Again, (inaudible).

More recently your honor we sat down with the defendant present in court today, AW, as she had indicated should would also like to do a proffer by providing us information about she and the others involved in (inaudible) crimes.

As this court knows, the state did not provide the proffer statement of Jake Wagner to any mutual defendants or their counsel because the state wanted to ensure that if any other individuals chose to come forward, their statements would be pure, untainted, and uninfluenced by Jakes statements. In that way, we could test the veracity of the statements of JW and any others that came forward.

We just today provided a copy of the proffered statements of both Jake and Angela to George’s attorney, but until this afternoon, nobody else other than the state has been in possession of those.

In her statement, AW admitted that she and her family members JW, GW and BW all conspired together to commit these horrific offenses. Specifically, they entered into the homes at four different locations which we have already outlined in the indictment in order to kill these victims in this case.

Some were specifically targets of the Wagners, some sadly were killed simply because they happened to be there. After planning for months to commit these homocides and then carrying them out, the four co-defendant’s spent their time trying to conceal any evidence of the crime including asking others to be dishonest with us. Angela admitted to purchasing some items leading up to the offenses that were meant to help her other 3 co-defendants to carry out the crimes. Such a a phone jammer which prevents call for help and the shoes that her two sons wore during the homocides were specifically of the size and style they would not typically wear and also to finding, printing off, and forging the custody documents in question.

She also admitted to being the one who would monitor the Facebook accounts of these two individuals whose accounts they hacked into. She was fully aware of the plans as they had discussed them at length with each of her 3 co-defendants both together and separately. She was aware the night they walked out the door on April 21, 2021 of where they were going and what they were going to do and she was present in the (church??) the next morning having completed the crimes.

She had some conversations with them after the fact as well confirming what they had done. As noted and then tried to cover up there involvement and AW helped with those efforts as well. What the defendant provided to us in her statements was very consistent with what her son JW had provided to us this year. Angela was also able to provide us with some additional details including information about other crimes her family has committed over the years.

Based on the totality of information now known by the state including the statements of the defendant and her co-defendant JW we have overwhelming evidence that the defendant and the 3 co-defendant members of her family are responsible for planning and carrying out the homocides of CR, GR, FR, HHG, DR, HMR, CJRR, and KR which occurred on or about April 22, 2016 of which the defendant admits of both her and her family’s involvement.

Both Jake and Angela have admitted in the late hours of April 21 into the early morning hours of April 22, 2016 is when they committed these murders. The defendants three co-defendants trespassed into each of the four residents where the victims were found with the intent to kill them. They were armed with firearms at least two of which had home made silencers affixed to them. The four conspired together in the months that led up to these offenses being fully aware of what the plan was, and all four co-defendants took part in that such as making various purchases to accomplish the goal.

They removed the phones of all victims and cameras and other surveillance equipment to deter detection destroying those items. Additionally, they destroyed those items along with trying to destroy and discard in a concealed manner the silence prototype along with all other evidence of this case including weapons, evidence and other incriminating items. They forged documents and asked others to lie to cover up that particular crime.

They hacked into FB accounts of these two individuals allowing them access to information that ultimately became the motive for these crimes. The defendant engaged in a pattern of corrupt activity by as a criminal with her immediate and some extended family members while acting individually (inaudible)

At this point your honor, the defendant has in essence admitted to committing these offenses with her family members and admits to personally assisting with the planning and operations of these crimes and either committing all of the offenses contained in the indictment directly or being complicit in the commission of them.

As noted she has also agreed to provide truthful testimony in the trial of her co-defendants should she be called to do so. All these offenses did occur in Pike County or in another county were committed as a continuing course of conduct affiliated with the homocides that were ultimately committed in Pike County OH such that all of counts of the indictment are properly in the jurisdiction of Pike County.

I can't highlight right now but the sentence, "Thee defendant engaged in a pattern of corrupt activity by as a criminal with her immediate AND SOME EXTENDED FAMILY MEMBERS while acting individually (inaudible)." It caught my attention. Who are the extended family members?
Thank you for the transcription!

 

[Berrybell]

I can't highlight right now but the sentence, "Thee defendant engaged in a pattern of corrupt activity by as a criminal with her immediate AND SOME EXTENDED FAMILY MEMBERS while acting individually (inaudible)." It caught my attention. Who are the extended family members?
Thank you for the transcription!

I'm glad you brought this up it caught my attention too.