GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #67

[Antimony]

If she were to testify to all that in court, It would cook them all.

 

[Cool Cats]

If she were to testify to all that in court, It would cook them all.

There is a lady witness to the revenge conversations according to Canepa at Bond Hearing. The mysterious confidential reliable source turned out not to be wiretaps like I thought but a person. It's my opinion this person is Jake's ex wife and that they talked in front of her at FWF after getting back from AK.

I think she could be subpoenaed to testify at George's trial about all this. According to Other Acts Evidence there are also other things she could testify about concerning George. Just for starters, that they voted on everything as a family, Angie wanted to be the mom to her grandkids, they surveilled her and threatened to kill her family.

So of course it is logical they voted on murder.

 

[altojack]

When the trials and all this is over I hope GW and JW ex-wives give details of what went on behind closed doors in that household. We do know a few things but I am sure there is so much we don't know.

I feel quite confident they will both speak out after this awful mess is done and dusted. We don't know, but a book or two could be forthcoming from them. The reporters will be hot on their heels for sure wanting to know more.

 

[Covert Operative]

I feel quite confident they will both speak out after this awful mess is done and dusted. We don't know, but a book or two could be forthcoming from them. The reporters will be hot on their heels for sure wanting to know more.

I believe JW ex had indicated recently she is writing a book.

 

[altojack]

I believe JW ex had indicated recently she is writing a book.

I'm not surprised, it could set her up for life financially.

 

[altojack]

It just goes to show the type of people the Wagners are, deny, deny, deny! George must think he's in with a chance or his team is just hoping to play for more time with those stupid motions. Billy just as bad, he's getting the whole pile of p-- chucked on him and going away for life.

From what I've learnt about the Wagners they've bullied, threatened and stolen from folk for years. Maybe killed before they picked on the Rhoden, Manley and Gilley families. It's the end of the lines for these worthless pieces of trash.

 

[Cool Cats]

It just goes to show the type of people the Wagners are, deny, deny, deny! George must think he's in with a chance or his team is just hoping to play for more time with those stupid motions. Billy just as bad, he's getting the whole pile of p-- chucked on him and going away for life.

From what I've learnt about the Wagners they've bullied, threatened and stolen from folk for years. Maybe killed before they picked on the Rhoden, Manley and Gilley families. It's the end of the lines for these worthless pieces of trash.

Summed up well.

 

[altojack]

Summed up well.

Thank you kindly

 

[FonescaFan]

There is a lady witness to the revenge conversations according to Canepa at Bond Hearing. The mysterious confidential reliable source turned out not to be wiretaps like I thought but a person. It's my opinion this person is Jake's ex wife and that they talked in front of her at FWF after getting back from AK.

I think she could be subpoenaed to testify at George's trial about all this. According to Other Acts Evidence there are also other things she could testify about concerning George. Just for starters, that they voted on everything as a family, Angie wanted to be the mom to her grandkids, they surveilled her and threatened to kill her family.

So of course it is logical they voted on murder.

Hello, long-time follower of this thread. So many knowledgeable posters here— I’ve learned so much from all of you. Re: the confidential reliable source, I had no idea Jake’s ex-wife returned with the Wagners from Alaska. Poor thing probably feared for her life.
In general, the ignorance and arrogance of the W family is mind-boggling. They are the definition of evil, and I hope they never see life outside of prison.

 

[Cool Cats]

Hello, long-time follower of this thread. So many knowledgeable posters here— I’ve learned so much from all of you. Re: the confidential reliable source, I had no idea Jake’s ex-wife returned with the Wagners from Alaska. Poor thing probably feared for her life.
In general, the ignorance and arrogance of the W family is mind-boggling. They are the definition of evil, and I hope they never see life outside of prison.

As you can see from this Discovery evidence she filed a police report against Jake in August 2018. It was for harassment and identity theft. She was listed as homeless. Sounds like she ran for her life like George's ex did.

EW -
request for SSN (1 p)
Ohio Uniform Incident Report 8-15-18 (4 pp)

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[Cool Cats]

Angela's Motion to go to the dentist.

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[IType]

01/10/2022 MOTION NO. 80 DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO SUPPRESS TESTIMONY OF JAKE AND ANGELA WAGNER AND TO DISMISS THE DEATH SPECIFICATIONS FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M

(Copied by me from CO's post on previous page)

GW4's attorneys subpoenaed JW to testify on 12/22/21, and now they don't want him to testify. Make up your minds, boys

 

[Covert Operative]

01/10/2022 MOTION NO. 80 DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO SUPPRESS TESTIMONY OF JAKE AND ANGELA WAGNER AND TO DISMISS THE DEATH SPECIFICATIONS FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M

(Copied by me from CO's post on previous page)

GW4's attorneys subpoenaed JW to testify on 12/22/21, and now they don't want him to testify. Make up your minds, boys

I think the defense might be glad as to what JW may say for G4 and also worried what JW will say against G4. The state may also be worried what JW may say for G4 and happy about things he may say against G4. Both may dread putting him on the stand for different reasons and look forward to it for different reasons. I think defense is trying to see if they can get anything disallowed then the one with the most traction will be the defense they go with.
That is how it seems to me.

 

[Cool Cats]

01/10/2022 MOTION NO. 80 DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO SUPPRESS TESTIMONY OF JAKE AND ANGELA WAGNER AND TO DISMISS THE DEATH SPECIFICATIONS FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M

(Copied by me from CO's post on previous page)

GW4's attorneys subpoenaed JW to testify on 12/22/21, and now they don't want him to testify. Make up your minds, boys

Thanks for pointing that out.

The defense at George's last hearing was trying to read just certain parts of Jake's testimony to fit their narrative that George "shot nobody."

At the start of the hearing, Parker started to read aloud in court 10 excerpts of Jake Wagner's 12-hour confession. Canepa objected and fired back, saying it was clear the attorneys wanted to try the case before it ever got to trial.

I assume they were anxious to get Jake on the stand just to have him testify to those specific narratives.

But the prosecution made it clear that the totality of Jake's testimony doesn't mean George didn't shoot anybody and they implicated George in the shootings.

But during Wednesday's hearing, special prosecutor Angela Canepa told Deering she thought there was something important to note: "We are not stipulating that George Wagner did not shoot anybody. We are stipulating that according to Jake Wagner's proffer, George did not shoot anybody. That's an important distinction."

And Canepa stated that Jake contradicted himself in his proffer.

The prosecution then said Jake did implicate George as being involved in the planning and execution of the shootings on the night in April 2016.

"Unfortunately, there is more than one devil in this case, and that is all four defendants charged in this matter.”

It's possible that these statements from Canepa contributed to the defense now wanting to keep Jake and Angela from testifying.

• Rhoden killings: Attorney for George Wagner IV says prosecutors 'made a deal with the devil'
• Judge refused to dismiss aggravated murder charges against eldest Wagner son in Pike County massacre

 

[IType]

I think the defense might be glad as to what JW may say for G4 and also worried what JW will say against G4. The state may also be worried what JW may say for G4 and happy about things he may say against G4. Both may dread putting him on the stand for different reasons and look forward to it for different reasons. I think defense is trying to see if they can get anything disallowed then the one with the most traction will be the defense they go with.
That is how it seems to me.

I agree JW's testimony could help and/or hinder both GW4 and the prosecution. At GW4's hearing last month, AC said JW contradicted himself in his proffer (link below to video of hearing). If JW were to get hammered hard on the stand by either GW4's attorneys or the prosecution attorneys, he could trip himself up in some way that could benefit or harm either side's case. Should be interesting.

 

[Covert Operative]

I agree JW's testimony could help and/or hinder both GW4 and the prosecution. At GW4's hearing last month, AC said JW contradicted himself in his proffer (link below to video of hearing). If JW were to get hammered hard on the stand by either GW4's attorneys or the prosecution attorneys, he could trip himself up in some way that could benefit or harm either side's case. Should be interesting.

Exactly what I think. I think both could be worried that he may do that, especially with some things they claim JW said in his proffer, I could see how he may blurt out something different by accident or even on purpose. Some of the things they claim JW said seem to be a stretch for him to say but he probably did say them is my thinking. He is a liar and a murderer after all.

The prosecution said around 26:00 that they do not stipulate G4 did not shoot anyone because they do not know. I do not think that is a statement she would freely have made if they can prove it. I do think they can prove complicity.
She states later in that video that JW does implicate his brother as a complicitor and she speaks of being charged as a complicitor if not the principal offender, several times.

I also think defense wants JW to testify but is saying JW will be reluctant to testify on G4 behalf more than the things he has already said in G4 favor because it may put the DP back if JW does not testify exactly according to his proffer. They want that made clear in the jury instruction that in their opinion he has a reason to stick to his proffer and not deviate or testify positively for G4 other than the things he has already said in regard to G4, that we know about.
That is just my take on it.

I do not think the defense thinks G4 will get out of this at all but may think a jury would give him lesser charges or he may get a lesser sentence if he went to trial.

 

[Berrybell]

Exactly what I think. I think both could be worried that he may do that, especially with some things they claim JW said in his proffer, I could see how he may blurt out something different by accident or even on purpose. Some of the things they claim JW said seem to be a stretch.

The prosecution said around 26:00 that they do not stipulate G4 did not shoot anyone because they do not know. I do not think that is a statement she would freely have made if they can prove it. I do think they can prove complicity.
She states later in that video that JW does implicate his brother as a complicitor and she speaks of being charged as a complicitor if not the principal offender several times.

I also think defense wants JW to testify but is saying he will be reluctant to testify on G4 behalf more than the things he has already said in G4 favor because it may put the DP back if JW does not testify exactly according to his proffer. They want that made clear in the jury instruction that in their opinion he has a reason to stick to his proffer and not deviate or testify positively for G4 other than the things he has already said in regard to G4, that we know about.
That is just my take on it.

I do not think the defense thinks G4 will get out of this at all but may think a jury would give him lesser charges or he may get a lesser sentence if he went to trial.

My personal opinion the defense is throwing every and any thing against the wall to see what sticks.

 

[Betty P]

I think the defense might be glad as to what JW may say for G4 and also worried what JW will say against G4. The state may also be worried what JW may say for G4 and happy about things he may say against G4. Both may dread putting him on the stand for different reasons and look forward to it for different reasons. I think defense is trying to see if they can get anything disallowed then the one with the most traction will be the defense they go with.
That is how it seems to me.

JMO, these are all "Hail Mary" defense motions by GW4's team. The best they can hope for is to bring JW face to face with his brother and manipulate his emotions in hopes he will backtrack on his confession. Because they confessed, JW and Angela would remain in jail. If JW lies, he gets the DP.

This might result in mistrial, which would set GW4 and his father free to terrorize the general public. The cost of tracking these two monsters would be quite expensive for a small county like Pike. Maybe these chromosome-deficient rabid dogs would end up attacking some of the people who helped set them free.

JMO, IANAL

Amazing how the Wagner family finds ways to turn on each other.

 

[Betty P]

I agree JW's testimony could help and/or hinder both GW4 and the prosecution. At GW4's hearing last month, AC said JW contradicted himself in his proffer (link below to video of hearing). If JW were to get hammered hard on the stand by either GW4's attorneys or the prosecution attorneys, he could trip himself up in some way that could benefit or harm either side's case. Should be interesting.

Remember how, in previous hearings, Prosecutor Canepa is an expert at preparing witnesses to testify on the stand. She's also an expert at knowing which stunts the defense will try to pull before they try it.

She did a masterful job of shutting down Parker at GW4's last hearing, when he kept trying to read into the record his "version" of GW's story. He really made Judge Deering angry with that one.

The guy will be pulling out all the stops to provoke a mistrial. With any luck, he'll be sanctioned or disbarred if he does.

When you think about it, that's taking quite a risk with your professional career and reputation. JMO, it would take a REALLY big reward from a very honest person to make an attorney willing to throw their own career under the bus.

None of the other defense teams in this trial or any other trial I've watched recently, has taken such big risks. It seems abnormal, JMO

JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

My personal opinion the defense is throwing every and any thing against the wall to see what sticks.

Yes. They are trying to give him the best defense they can and that is good because it would be hard to claim that he had ineffective counsel/representation later. They do not have a lot to work with.
BW lawyers have way less I do believe. I can only imagine they are waiting go see what happens if G4 has a trial and then they know what happened in that trial that may help or hurt them. They will already know what a lot of what the testimony will be. I cannot think of anything that will help him. Its pretty obvious that JW is not going to I think.