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Yes, they should've listened to him from the start! RIP Mr. Manley! Prayers for the family.He knew who did it right from the start. RIP Leonard.
Yes, they should've listened to him from the start! RIP Mr. Manley! Prayers for the family.He knew who did it right from the start. RIP Leonard.
It's been way too long for the Rhoden and Gilley family's. Give them closure and get the trails over with and give them the peace that the Wagner's are behind bars for the rest of their lives!
So very sad. Leonard Manley passed away.
Father of Rhoden massacre victim dead at 70 - Scioto Valley Guardian
Seems that JW testifying would be more to the states favor. The defense may think it would help them but I do not see that it would that much, if any. JW will more than likely be questioned by the state also and he can tell how G4 was involved and complicit.
- G4
- 12/14/2021 STATE'S MEMORANDUM CONTRA DEFENDANT'S MOTION #75 TO ORDER SHERIFF TO BRING WITNESS TO COURT FILED Attorney: JUNK, PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, ROBERT
Yes. I understand that. ThanksState is trying to stop Jake from testifying.
Memorandum contra is an opposing party's explanation to the court of why the other party's motion should be denied.
It would give the defense another opportunity to cross-examine JW and attempt to twist his words, motive, and memory. The less a State's witness is on the stand the better, and with this family the less they are in the same area together the better. The could have worked out buzz words, hand signals, etc to clue each other. MOOSeems that JW testifying would be more to the states favor. The defense may think it would help them but I do not see that it would that much, if any. JW would more than likely be questioned by the state also and he can tell how G4 was involved and complicit.
- G4
- 12/14/2021 STATE'S MEMORANDUM CONTRA DEFENDANT'S MOTION #75 TO ORDER SHERIFF TO BRING WITNESS TO COURT FILED Attorney: JUNK, PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, ROBERT
Yes, there may be several reasons they want him on the stand other than to say G4 did not kill anyone, if that is true. They may think they can discredit JW in some ways. There were things said about some personal things JW was doing around the time of the murders that they may try to bring out. They may want to try to bring in any mental findings on JW that he could testify to.It would give the defense another opportunity to cross-examine JW and attempt to twist his words, motive, and memory. The less a State's witness is on the stand the better, and with this family the less they are in the same area together the better. The could have worked out buzz words, hand signals, etc to clue each other. MOO
Since motions are still being filed, we may can assume that a plea deal has not been reached. I do not think that is a given but maybe could mean that.It would give the defense another opportunity to cross-examine JW and attempt to twist his words, motive, and memory. The less a State's witness is on the stand the better, and with this family the less they are in the same area together the better. The could have worked out buzz words, hand signals, etc to clue each other. MOO
Since motions are still being filed, we might can assume that no plea deal has been reached. I do not think that is a given but maybe could mean that.
Solidly agree.I don't think George would go for a plea deal because he would still face decades behind bars.
I think George wants to get out so badly he will end up going to trial and "gamble" for multiple aquittals.
I think we will see a trial in his case.
They should've listened to him from the start! RIP Mr. Manley! Prayers for the family.
BBM
They should've listened to him from the start!
I did. That's why I pegged Jake from a couple weeks after the murders. I knew it had to be someone close, they knew too much about the family so I looked to ex's. Most murders are over love or money. FR's ex was sharing custody with him, no problems there, Chris JR was not involved with anyone, so it had to be HR. According to friends (no link FB post so take with a grain of salt) CG wasn't much interested in her or being a dad, her current BF was still with her, so that left only Jake. Wasn't until it came out that Chris SR and Billy had a fight a couple weeks before, (Lenny told us that too CC can you help with a link to the interview where Lenny said the sheriff was "snotty" to the M/R families when they were called out the weekend before?) that I knew the whole Wag family was involved. Too many houses and not enough time for just Jake to handle anyway.
JMO
They should've listened to him from the start! RIP Mr. Manley! Prayers for the family.
BBM
They should've listened to him from the start!
I did. That's why I pegged Jake from a couple weeks after the murders. I knew it had to be someone close, they knew too much about the family so I looked to ex's. Most murders are over love or money. FR's ex was sharing custody with him, no problems there, Chris JR was not involved with anyone, so it had to be HR. According to friends (no link FB post so take with a grain of salt) CG wasn't much interested in her or being a dad, her current BF was still with her, so that left only Jake. Wasn't until it came out that Chris SR and Billy had a fight a couple weeks before, (Lenny told us that too CC can you help with a link to the interview where Lenny said the sheriff was "snotty" to the M/R families when they were called out the weekend before?) that I knew the whole Wag family was involved. Too many houses and not enough time for just Jake to handle anyway.
JMO
"CC can you help with a link to the interview where Lenny said the sheriff was "snotty" to the M/R families when they were called out the weekend before?"
Here:
(time stamp) start at 1 minute mark
Father of Ohio shooting victim says killer knew Rhoden family
"Saturday evening we had a big conflict up here with the deputies and things and some of them are snots pure snots."
That video was dated April 25th. LM said Saturday evening we had a big conflict up here with the deputies. I took that to mean that they had an issue the Saturday after the murders with the deputies at the homes/scenes.
I was thinking about JW being subpoenaed to the court next week for GW4's hearing, and something dawned on me. If the judge does allow JW to be in court on 12/22/21, would he and GW4 both be in the Pike County Jail at the same time? If so, could that be part of the W4's plan to "bust out" one of the family members from jail--as discussed during the revenge conversations?
Then I thought even further--If GW4 and/or BW go to trial, JW has to testify against them. Would JW be in the Pike County jail at the same time as his dad and/or brother for any length of time, even a couple days if JW's testimony takes a long time? I can't imagine his testimony/cross examination would be wrapped up in a single day. JMO
I don't know much about jails...thankfully, I've never been in one. Are there different areas where two prisoners can be in the same jail but not have any contact or even see each other from a distance?
Just curious
CC you are an angel. Thank you for helping me as I get too tired trying to look up links. IMO you are a great help to this thread. Hugs for you."CC can you help with a link to the interview where Lenny said the sheriff was "snotty" to the M/R families when they were called out the weekend before?"
Here:
(time stamp) start at 1 minute mark
Father of Ohio shooting victim says killer knew Rhoden family
"Saturday evening we had a big conflict up here with the deputies and things and some of them are snots pure snots."