GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #67

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GW4 threats towards the Government Officers will go a long way in court when GW4 and Billy stands trial, what GW4 said at the special meeting in FWs house will most certainly get him and daddy (LWOP), JMO
 
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GW4 threats towards the Government Officers will go a long way in court when GW4 and Billy stands trial, what GW4 said at the special meeting in FWs house will most certainly get him and daddy (LWOP), JMO

I hope they play the tapes out loud for us to hear. They have headphones and transcripts in court.

8,000 recordings of interest. The revenge talk and jail break is only the tip of the iceberg. "If they have the gun they have the silencer." "Family emergency."

George knew it all.
 
  • #383
Good point. Nice to see you post.

Also, the prosecution is not saying George didn't shoot, they allude to him shooting. I believe they will pull the "rabbit out of the hat" at trial to show this.

But as you mention, he is already guilty of the definition of aggravated murder in Ohio.

Thanks for the welcome! I followed this case from afar when it happened and after the arrests, and then I sort of lost track of it. I was writing elsewhere in response to the expectation of fast arrests in the Murdaugh case in South Carolina (the murder of a mother and son of a prominent family) and raised the issue of the Wagners, as a case involving a prominent family that took a few years to produce an arrest. That got me interested in catching up with particulars.

I recalled the business about Angela Wagner essentially wanting to replace her grandchildren's mothers but I did not realize that the young women involved with or married to G4 and Jake were so badly abused, to the point that George's wife ran for her life and gave up custody. The family as a unit is highly pathological, even cult-like. But it's likely, I think, that they were involved in other criminal activities. Mass murder is not usually the starting point of criminal behavior. At any rate, I read large sections of WS threads to catch up on things (including that someone actually MARRIED Jake after Hanna was murdered) and I'm very grateful that you guys have put all this information out there. I was particularly struck by a post made by Sojourn before the arrests in which he/she said that the killers had "hunted" the Rhoden family. That sure turned out to be an excellent deduction. So thank you to all the sleuths following this case.
 
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Thanks for the welcome! I followed this case from afar when it happened and after the arrests, and then I sort of lost track of it. I was writing elsewhere in response to the expectation of fast arrests in the Murdaugh case in South Carolina (the murder of a mother and son of a prominent family) and raised the issue of the Wagners, as a case involving a prominent family that took a few years to produce an arrest. That got me interested in catching up with particulars.

I recalled the business about Angela Wagner essentially wanting to replace her grandchildren's mothers but I did not realize that the young women involved with or married to G4 and Jake were so badly abused, to the point that George's wife ran for her life and gave up custody. The family as a unit is highly pathological, even cult-like. But it's likely, I think, that they were involved in other criminal activities. Mass murder is not usually the starting point of criminal behavior. At any rate, I read large sections of WS threads to catch up on things (including that someone actually MARRIED Jake after Hanna was murdered) and I'm very grateful that you guys have put all this information out there. I was particularly struck by a post made by Sojourn before the arrests in which he/she said that the killers had "hunted" the Rhoden family. That sure turned out to be an excellent deduction. So thank you to all the sleuths following this case.

Yes, glad to have you.

From your post:

"But it's likely, I think, that they were involved in other criminal activities."

Not sure if you read the posts about them being involved with criminal activity, but you are right, they were.

The Other Acts Evidence lists:

Multiple instances of arson of various properties of their own for financial gain.

Multiple instances of theft - gas, tractor trailers, shoplifting.

Mortgage fraud.

Billy threatening Angela with a gun.

Allegations that Billy has killed/plotted/threatened to kill others before.

Billy threatening Chris Senior with a gun.

Billy transporting drugs/engaging in drug trafficking.

Having others commit crimes to cover up their crimes.

Canepa said Angela Wagner is now implicating them in crimes.

It's not known if she is implicating them in just the Other Acts crimes or implicating them in other crimes previously unknown. I think probably both.
 
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Yes, glad to have you.

From your post:

"But it's likely, I think, that they were involved in other criminal activities."

Not sure if you read the posts about them being involved with criminal activity, but you are right, they were.

The Other Acts Evidence lists:

Multiple instances of arson of various properties of their own for financial gain.

Multiple instances of theft - gas, tractor trailers, shoplifting.

Mortgage fraud.

Billy threatening Angela with a gun.

Allegations that Billy has killed/plotted/threatened to kill others before.

Billy threatening Chris Senior with a gun.

Billy transporting drugs/engaging in drug trafficking.

Having others commit crimes to cover up their crimes.

Canepa said Angela Wagner is now implicating them in crimes.

It's not known if she is implicating them in just the Other Acts crimes or implicating them in other crimes previously unknown. I think probably both.

I read the 404 (B) and was shocked by the scope of this list, especially the statement that says Billy has killed before. Will he be charged with those acts, too, at some point?
 
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I read the 404 (B) and was shocked by the scope of this list, especially the statement that says Billy has killed before. Will he be charged with those acts, too, at some point?

Allegations that Billy has killed/plotted/threatened to kill others before.

But now Angela is singing to the prosecution so she could implicate Billy in any crime she knows of including murder if he actually did do that.

He hasn't had any other charges brought against him so I doubt he will get another charge, it's been 4-5 months since Angela started cooperating and seems long enough for something to have come up - or maybe investigations are going on now.
 
  • #388
Looks like I might have a chance to see George go down after all.

I finally got a surgery date. So everyone raise a glass, 7:00 AM CST Jan 10. Here's hoping I come out alive and they can repair my heart enough to give me another year or so. If all goes well I might even get to see Billy bite the dust. My older sister's went well so maybe mine will too.
That is fantastic news, my glass is raised although at the moment it holds orange juice as I'm still having breakfast. Come the 10th January you will be in my prayers.

You'll be here to see the end of this horrendous case. You'll see then all locked up, that's for sure.
 
  • #389
New to this case. Are there any documentaries/Dateline episodes about it I should check out?
 
  • #390
He had a Hearing in the morning then was booked into the new jail in the afternoon so it was a planned operation likely through the Ohio State Patrol.

Often when inmates are moved it is for security reasons.

Note the large security presence when moving him in this October 2021 photo. There are 6 officers we can see with one holding his arm above what looks like his restraint transportation belt and there are probably more officers we can't see coming from the back Courthouse door and walkway. Note bulletproof vests.

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Wagner IV's attorneys request murder charges dropped
I think they move them often to avert escape plans; therefore, since it's in his verbal history I think that's the reason
 
  • #391
New to this case. Are there any documentaries/Dateline episodes about it I should check out?

Welcome!

There was an episode on the Oxygen network True Crime a few years ago

Watch The Piketon Family Murders Videos | Oxygen Official Site

There are some things on YouTube, but none very accurate. There's been a gag order on this case since the arrests in 2018, so there aren't many people to interview. Some of the coverage in podcasts, etc. has been slanted in favor of the killers, oddly enough.

Whatever positive things you see or hear about the Wagner family who murdered the Rhodens, take it with a grain of salt. Two of the 4 killers have now given full confessions and provided information to help investigators retrieve the rest of the evidence, including the weapons used in the murders.

JMO
 
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where is Jake Wagner in jail right now?
 
  • #395
Looks like I might have a chance to see George go down after all.

I finally got a surgery date. So everyone raise a glass, 7:00 AM CST Jan 10. Here's hoping I come out alive and they can repair my heart enough to give me another year or so. If all goes well I might even get to see Billy bite the dust. My older sister's went well so maybe mine will too.
:)
 
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He is in the Main Jail at the Franklin County Jail.

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Most Recent Mugshot
Security Level VFEL (5 Felon)

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Original Mugshot 11-13-2018

Booking
Franklin County Sheriff - Inmate Information
Lord all mighty Jake Wagner looks like the walking dead! JMO
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The only Wagner that has been moved is GW4, and the Montgomery Jail has a lot of murders on its roster, GW4 might not have to worry about trial if he doesn’t lose his attitude, JMO
 
  • #398
Lord all mighty Jake Wagner looks like the walking dead! JMO
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The only Wagner that has been moved is GW4, and the Montgomery Jail has a lot of murders on its roster, GW4 might not have to worry about trial if he doesn’t lose his attitude, JMO
Ha! I thought he looks like a vampire but thought I probably shouldn't post it. He is really creepy looking and not sure what's up with the marks/creases under his eyes. I've never seen anyone that young have that. First mug I thought it was temporary, but no, still there. I don't think he's going to have much fun in prison for the rest of his life.
 
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I found this podcast to be very helpful, especially in understanding how the Wagners treated the sons' partners and kids.

Anyone know why they stopped putting out new episodes once Jake confessed? Seems like they just gave up covering the story once it began to get interesting, once more information was revealed. They could have done at least 2 or 3 more podcasts by now, with double or triple the number of listeners.

Does anyone else think this podcast was slightly "pro-Wagner" and stopped covering the story once the confessions began?

JMO
 
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