GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #67

[Piffcat]

Yes, I know all this, but am still skeptical. If the defense attorneys for GW4 and/or GW3 can get a mistrial or a hung jury, and the Ohio General Assembly refuses to pony up cash for new trials, it could be problematic.

At least for GW3's attorneys, that seems to be the goal. Politicians in this state have survived worse public uproar without harm to their careers to reputations. It's easy to point the finger at the Ohio GA - a group of 132 members. Most people don't even know who their state rep or state senator is. Works great.

It's more effective to apply pressure now, than to go back and try to fix things if they go sideways.

You have to know how Ohio government works to understand they are notoriously cheap about this kind of budget item. But building a private bar in the basement of the capitol building is different.

Drinks on the House? Ohio Statehouse considers bar


JMO YMMV

I think what Betty is saying great point which has become more relevant even since covid happened. G3 and g4 don't need to win, they just need to not lose. The 2 are not interchangeable. Any delay/set back/scandal/mistrial will result in a reduced penalty for these 2. It's a similar strategy to China "weaponizing democracy" the govt and courts are held to an extremely high standard . This results in the prosecution needing to adhere to rules and procedures the defense does not. Notice that zero discovery evidence has been offered by defense. A mistrial, budget, jury location all of these can sink a good case. Most currently in the maxwell case we've seen jurors publicly share that jurors had improper discussions of personal sex abuse while debating. Through no fault of the police, judge, or prosecutors a guilty verdict may be thrown out. If or when it's retried the new jurors will be aware it's a retrial. No matter the logic or facts of case a retrial sets up suspicion or doubt on the new jurors. Simply put an assumption that a stronger case would not find itself in a retrial position. The defense attorneys know the state can prove its case they know what their clients did. But the longer the case is in play the more time for something, anything to happen. <modsnip>

 

[Dudly]

Nothing is going to work "in favor of these 4 defendants."

There is no "running out the clock" as Billy found out when he tried and failed to restart it.

The clock is set for George's trial to start in less than 3 months.

Yes cases miss out on justice but this won't be one of them.

An award from State Attorney General Dave Yost was given specifically for the work done on the Rhoden-Gilley Case.

BCI was involved in the ceremony thanking a huge long list of people who worked the case.

The Attorney General would look bad if this Case "went sideways" and he would never let that happen because it is such a prominent Case, considered the biggest one for BCI.

Rhoden Murder Task Force honored at Law Enforcement Conference

COLUMBUS- Following five years of investigation, the Pike County Rhoden Murder Task Force received honors during the annual annual Law Enforcement Conference held on Tuesday.

The task force, composed of members from the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation, the Ohio Attorney General's Office, and local officials, received the Distinguished Law Enforcement Group Achievement Award from state Attorney General Dave Yost.

Pike County Prosecutor Robert Junk, member of the Rhoden Murder Task Force, was one of the individuals honored with the Distinguished Law Enforcement Group Achievement Award for the group's work over the past five years.

Members of the task force include:

Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation

• Special Agent Ryan Scheiderer (lead agent)
• Special Agent Supervisor Kevin Barbeau
• Special Agent Jennifer Comisford
• Special Agent Supervisor Roger Davis
• Forensic Scientist Suzanne Elliott
• Criminal Intelligence Analyst Julia Eveslage
• Criminal Intelligence Supervisor Dana Forney
• Special Agent Todd Fortner
• Special Agent James Gore
• Special Agent Shane Hanshaw
• Special Agent Chadwick Holcomb
• Special Agent Jonathan Jenkins
• Special Agent Supervisor William Jones
• Forensic Accountant Michael Kaizar
• Victim Advocate Cindy Kuhr
• Criminal Intelligence Analyst Jennifer Lester
• Special Agent James Mulford
• Special Agent Perry Roeser
• Special Agent Supervisor Justin Root
• DNA Lab Director Kristen Slaper
• Special Agent Richard Ward
• Forensic Scientist Matthew White

Formerly of BCI/Attorney General’s Office

• Special Agent Stephfon Daniels
• Special Agent Scott Fitch
• Special Agent Seth Hagaman
• Assistant Superintendent Karen Huey
• Special Agent Cornelius McGrady
• Computer Forensic Analyst Jonathan Robbins
• Superintendent Thomas Stickrath
• Special Agent-in-Charge Benjamin Suver
• Special Agent Supervisor Michael Trout
• Special Agent Bryan White
• Deputy Attorney General for Law Enforcement Stephen Schumaker

Local Sheriff’s Offices

• Maj. Alan Lewis (co-lead investigator) — Ross County, formerly of Pike County
• Maj. Timothy Dickerson — formerly of Pike County

Prosecution

• Lead Prosecutor Angie Canepa
• Pike County Prosecutor Robert Junk
• Assistant Prosecutor Andy Wilson

Too bad Reader got left out…

 

[Dudly]

Nothing is going to work "in favor of these 4 defendants."

There is no "running out the clock" as Billy found out when he tried and failed to restart it.

The clock is set for George's trial to start in less than 3 months.

Yes cases miss out on justice but this won't be one of them.

An award from State Attorney General Dave Yost was given specifically for the work done on the Rhoden-Gilley Case.

BCI was involved in the ceremony thanking a huge long list of people who worked the case.

The Attorney General would look bad if this Case "went sideways" and he would never let that happen because it is such a prominent Case, considered the biggest one for BCI.

Rhoden Murder Task Force honored at Law Enforcement Conference

COLUMBUS- Following five years of investigation, the Pike County Rhoden Murder Task Force received honors during the annual annual Law Enforcement Conference held on Tuesday.

The task force, composed of members from the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation, the Ohio Attorney General's Office, and local officials, received the Distinguished Law Enforcement Group Achievement Award from state Attorney General Dave Yost.

Pike County Prosecutor Robert Junk, member of the Rhoden Murder Task Force, was one of the individuals honored with the Distinguished Law Enforcement Group Achievement Award for the group's work over the past five years.

Members of the task force include:

Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation

• Special Agent Ryan Scheiderer (lead agent)
• Special Agent Supervisor Kevin Barbeau
• Special Agent Jennifer Comisford
• Special Agent Supervisor Roger Davis
• Forensic Scientist Suzanne Elliott
• Criminal Intelligence Analyst Julia Eveslage
• Criminal Intelligence Supervisor Dana Forney
• Special Agent Todd Fortner
• Special Agent James Gore
• Special Agent Shane Hanshaw
• Special Agent Chadwick Holcomb
• Special Agent Jonathan Jenkins
• Special Agent Supervisor William Jones
• Forensic Accountant Michael Kaizar
• Victim Advocate Cindy Kuhr
• Criminal Intelligence Analyst Jennifer Lester
• Special Agent James Mulford
• Special Agent Perry Roeser
• Special Agent Supervisor Justin Root
• DNA Lab Director Kristen Slaper
• Special Agent Richard Ward
• Forensic Scientist Matthew White

Formerly of BCI/Attorney General’s Office

• Special Agent Stephfon Daniels
• Special Agent Scott Fitch
• Special Agent Seth Hagaman
• Assistant Superintendent Karen Huey
• Special Agent Cornelius McGrady
• Computer Forensic Analyst Jonathan Robbins
• Superintendent Thomas Stickrath
• Special Agent-in-Charge Benjamin Suver
• Special Agent Supervisor Michael Trout
• Special Agent Bryan White
• Deputy Attorney General for Law Enforcement Stephen Schumaker

Local Sheriff’s Offices

• Maj. Alan Lewis (co-lead investigator) — Ross County, formerly of Pike County
• Maj. Timothy Dickerson — formerly of Pike County

Prosecution

• Lead Prosecutor Angie Canepa
• Pike County Prosecutor Robert Junk
• Assistant Prosecutor Andy Wilson

Too bad Reader got left out…

There are 22 charges in this Case, what would be the definition of a mistrial/hung jury in this Case?

I do not believe that the jury would get "hung up" on all 22 charges. Hung up on a few maybe, but no, not all 22.

Like 5 million to one they would get hung up on all 22 charges.

Out of the 22 charges I see enough evidence to - at the bare minimum - convince a jury George is guilty of murder and the conspiracy to commit the murders.

1.) Prosecution won't say he didn't shoot anyone, they infer he did and no doubt in my mind they have the evidence to back this up.
2.) Angie's testimony places George at the crime scenes.
3.) Jake's testimony places George at the crime scenes because Canepa said Angie's testimony matches Jake's.
4.) Extremely large amount of evidence.

"... Deering said it was his understanding some four terabytes of information still needed to be delivered by the prosecution to Angela Wagner’s defense team. As previously noted by the Daily Times, one terabyte of information is enough to hold 500 hours worth of movies.."

Wagner IV’s jury trial delayed - Portsmouth Daily Times

5.) 8,000 surveillance recordings of interest to the Case were done by BCI with George Wagner running his mouth and making incriminating statements in many of them. (Scheiderer Bond Hearing.)
6.) Other Acts Evidence showing George's predilection to committing crime and abusing his ex wife for custody purposes.
7.) George threatening revenge on Scheiderer, DeWine, Reader, others who go against them, and including smashing Scheiderer's face in and breaking family members out of jail.
8.) George bought a Glock.
9.) George bought a night scope.
10.) George bought a mask.
11.) George does everything with Jake. Lives his entire life hand in hand with his brother.
12.) The bloody shoe prints tie him directly to the murders at Chris Sr's.
13.) Angie's shoe testimony and shoe print expert's testimony will tie him smack dab into the middle of the murder scenes.

No proof of whom was wearing that shoe when the print was made. Only speculation …

 

[Berrybell]

Too bad Reader got left out…


No proof of whom was wearing that shoe when the print was made. Only speculation …

MOO I am assuming JW said the shoes were worn by him and his dad, unfortunately it will be difficult to prove otherwise due to the shoes not being found.

 

[Cool Cats]

MOO I am assuming JW said the shoes were worn by him and his dad, unfortunately it will be difficult to prove otherwise due to the shoes not being found.

By him and George.

I think there is enough circumstantial evidence for a jury to believe he wore the shoes. If I were a juror I would believe it. This is a big fact that will sink him and will really hit home if the 4 witnesses testify to it before the jury. Possibility.

Jake = George wore the size 10.5 (or 11) X brand shoes my mom bought him for the murders.

Angie = I bought the size 10.5 (or 11) X brand shoes for George to wear to the murders and he did wear them.

Scheiderer = Angela Wagner told us she bought the size 10.5 (or 11) X brand shoe for George to wear at the crime scenes. We have the receipt and the video footage of her purchasing them in Walmart in early April 2016.

Expert = The size 10.5 (or 11) X brand shoes Mrs. Wagner bought George are an exact new tread shoe print match to the left bloody shoe print(s) found at scene #1.

 

[Cool Cats]

George's Bond Hearing
George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

Bloody shoe impressions on floor at Chris SR's = Starts at 1:12:40 = Photo

 

[Cool Cats]

George's Bond Hearing
George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

Angela in Walmart = Starts at 1:22:40 = Photo

 

[Cool Cats]

George's Bond Hearing
George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

Shell casing found in Frankie's and HG's bed in between where they were laying = Pause on 1:25:22 = Photo

 

[Betty P]

By him and George.

I think there is enough circumstantial evidence for a jury to believe he wore the shoes. If I were a juror I would believe it. This is a big fact that will sink him and will really hit home if the 4 witnesses testify to it before the jury. Possibility.

Jake = George wore the size 10.5 (or 11) X brand shoes my mom bought him for the murders.

Angie = I bought the size 10.5 (or 11) X brand shoes for George to wear to the murders and he did wear them.

Scheiderer = Angela Wagner told us she bought the size 10.5 (or 11) X brand shoe for George to wear at the crime scenes. We have the receipt and the video footage of her purchasing them in Walmart in early April 2016.

Expert = The size 10.5 (or 11) X brand shoes Mrs. Wagner bought George are an exact new tread shoe print match to the left bloody shoe print(s) found at scene #1.

Agree, JMO the shoeprints are solid evidence, though GW4's attorneys argue otherwise. All of the evidence, Jake and Angela's testimony is all good. The state has a solid case.

JMO, they had a solid case before Jake's confession, but that will help seal the deal.

 

[Cool Cats]

George's Bond Hearing
George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details

Frankie floor plan shows bedroom with crib - diagram of them in bed.
= Starts at 1:25:44

 

[Covert Operative]

MOO I am assuming JW said the shoes were worn by him and his dad, unfortunately it will be difficult to prove otherwise due to the shoes not being found.

I do not think JW or G4 are claiming that G4 was not there in some capacity (not sure what). I think that AW may have said G4 had the shoes on when he left and JW may have said that G4 had the shoes on when he was there but we do not know that at this time. It is implied like many things are right now. Neither side can pick and choose what part they like from JW proffer is how I see it.

We know from the reply contra memo that was filed by defense that they admit that G4 went, why they say JW claimed G4 went and what JW implied that G4 had said. That may bring a another element into it. I believe that is why they are using no intent as a defense for counts 1-8. I do not think you can have intent on the other counts without it carrying over to intent on 1-8. I am guessing that they think it worked for AW so it may work for them.

JW is saying that G4 did not shoot or kill anyone, not that he did not go is my understanding. In G4 hearing at 25:25 mark the prosecutor says we do not stipulate G4 did not shoot anybody because we do not know that. I do not think that is a statement one would make if they could prove it. To me that translates that they cannot prove that G4 shot anyone at this stage of the case. The defense has the evidence, they know what can and cannot be proven. I believe that is why the prosecutor said several times that a person can be charged with complicity even if they are not the principal offender and that is what they are going to trial with. If intent/complicity is proven it carries the same sentence as if one pulled the trigger. In that case it will not matter if he shot anyone or not. You have to have intent to be guilty of complicity. It seems right now from the things I have read and heard that intent could be proven. How a jury understands that, is anyone's guess.

JW may get confused and mess up his testimony if he gets hammered on the stand hard enough. That may not be good for either side. He could say some things on the stand that may go against his testimony for the defense or prosecution side. They both may be worried about that happening.

 

[Cool Cats]

I do not think JW or G4 are claiming that G4 was not there in some capacity (not sure what). I think that AW may have said G4 had the shoes on when he left and JW may have said that G4 had the shoes on when he was there but we do not know that at this time. It is implied like many things are right now. Neither side can pick and choose what part they like from JW proffer is how I see it.

We know from the reply contra memo that was filed by defense that they admit that G4 went, why they say JW claimed G4 went and what JW implied that G4 had said. That may bring a another element into it. I believe that is why they are using no intent as a defense for counts 1-8. I do not think you can have intent on the other counts without it carrying over to intent on 1-8. I am guessing that they think it worked for AW so it may work for them.

JW is saying that G4 did not shoot or kill anyone, not that he did not go is my understanding. In G4 hearing at 25:25 mark the prosecutor says we do not stipulate G4 did not shoot anybody because we do not know that. I do not think that is a statement one would make if they could prove it. To me that translates that they cannot prove that G4 shot anyone at this stage of the case. The defense has the evidence, they know what can and cannot be proven. I believe that is why the prosecutor said several times that a person can be charged with complicity even if they are not the principal offender and that is what they are going to trial with. If intent/complicity is proven it carries the same sentence as if one pulled the trigger. In that case it will not matter if he shot anyone or not. You have to have intent to be guilty of complicity. It seems right now from the things I have read and heard that intent could be proven. How a jury understands that, is anyone's guess.

JW may get confused and mess up his testimony if he gets hammered on the stand hard enough. That may not be good for either side. He could say some things on the stand that may go against his testimony for the defense or prosecution side. They both may be worried about that happening.

Do you have the link to the memo that says this?

"We know from the reply contra memo that was filed by defense that they admit that G4 went, why they say JW claimed G4 went and what JW implied that G4 had said."

Would like to know why JW claimed G4 went and what G4 said.


Thanks. Appreciate it if you can find it.

 

[Berrybell]

I do not think JW or G4 are claiming that G4 was not there in some capacity (not sure what). I think that AW may have said G4 had the shoes on when he left and JW may have said that G4 had the shoes on when he was there but we do not know that at this time. It is implied like many things are right now. Neither side can pick and choose what part they like from JW proffer is how I see it.

We know from the reply contra memo that was filed by defense that they admit that G4 went, why they say JW claimed G4 went and what JW implied that G4 had said. That may bring a another element into it. I believe that is why they are using no intent as a defense for counts 1-8. I do not think you can have intent on the other counts without it carrying over to intent on 1-8. I am guessing that they think it worked for AW so it may work for them.

JW is saying that G4 did not shoot or kill anyone, not that he did not go is my understanding. In G4 hearing at 25:25 mark the prosecutor says we do not stipulate G4 did not shoot anybody because we do not know that. I do not think that is a statement one would make if they could prove it. To me that translates that they cannot prove that G4 shot anyone at this stage of the case. The defense has the evidence, they know what can and cannot be proven. I believe that is why the prosecutor said several times that a person can be charged with complicity even if they are not the principal offender and that is what they are going to trial with. If intent/complicity is proven it carries the same sentence as if one pulled the trigger. In that case it will not matter if he shot anyone or not. You have to have intent to be guilty of complicity. It seems right now from the things I have read and heard that intent could be proven. How a jury understands that, is anyone's guess.

JW may get confused and mess up his testimony if he gets hammered on the stand hard enough. That may not be good for either side. He could say some things on the stand that may go against his testimony for the defense or prosecution side. They both may be worried about that happening.

Thank you Covert, I am not very good at expressing what I am trying to say and I appreciate you taking the time to be precise and clear. I agree there is intent and I do believe GW went to the Rhoden's homes with full intent to see the murders carried out. And I do believe there is enough evidence to convict, I was only making an observation that we don't know everything in JW or AW's confession and I think they are going to try and minimize GW actions that night, and say it was BW who wore the shoes. I know AW said she bought them for the boys but she may have contradicted that in her confession and then again she may have throw GW under the bus.

 

[Covert Operative]

Thank you Covert, I am not very good at expressing what I am trying to say and I appreciate you taking the time to be precise and clear. I agree there is intent and I do believe GW went to the Rhoden's homes with full intent to see the murders carried out. And I do believe there is enough evidence to convict, I was only making an observation that we don't know everything in JW or AW's confession and I think they are going to try and minimize GW actions that night, and say it was BW who wore the shoes. I know AW said she bought them for the boys but she may have contradicted that in her confession and then again she may have throw GW under the bus.

You express yourself very clear and concise to me. I enjoy when you post. You are correct, we do not know all the things that were said in the proffers but we do know some of what was said in JW's proffer according to the defense and according to things that have been filed. They probably will try to say BW wore the shoes that night if there is anyway possible that they can find a way to do so and make it fit (no pun intended). They may even say JW had on two left shoes either by accident or on purpose, just kidding about that I think.

 

[Betty P]

I do not think JW or G4 are claiming that G4 was not there in some capacity (not sure what). I think that AW may have said G4 had the shoes on when he left and JW may have said that G4 had the shoes on when he was there but we do not know that at this time. It is implied like many things are right now. Neither side can pick and choose what part they like from JW proffer is how I see it.

We know from the reply contra memo that was filed by defense that they admit that G4 went, why they say JW claimed G4 went and what JW implied that G4 had said. That may bring a another element into it. I believe that is why they are using no intent as a defense for counts 1-8. I do not think you can have intent on the other counts without it carrying over to intent on 1-8. I am guessing that they think it worked for AW so it may work for them.

JW is saying that G4 did not shoot or kill anyone, not that he did not go is my understanding. In G4 hearing at 25:25 mark the prosecutor says we do not stipulate G4 did not shoot anybody because we do not know that. I do not think that is a statement one would make if they could prove it. To me that translates that they cannot prove that G4 shot anyone at this stage of the case. The defense has the evidence, they know what can and cannot be proven. I believe that is why the prosecutor said several times that a person can be charged with complicity even if they are not the principal offender and that is what they are going to trial with. If intent/complicity is proven it carries the same sentence as if one pulled the trigger. In that case it will not matter if he shot anyone or not. You have to have intent to be guilty of complicity. It seems right now from the things I have read and heard that intent could be proven. How a jury understands that, is anyone's guess.

JW may get confused and mess up his testimony if he gets hammered on the stand hard enough. That may not be good for either side. He could say some things on the stand that may go against his testimony for the defense or prosecution side. They both may be worried about that happening.

• Judge Deering has already refused to drop charges 1 thru 8 against GW4. He's seen the evidence and heard the arguments

• With all the premeditation, purchasing of weapons, materials for silencers, planning, etc., the defense team will never convince a jury that GW4 only went along with the intention of paying a friendly, late night visit to the Wagner family.

• After first killing Chris Rhoden, Sr, there would have been no question about intent. Were he so pure of heart and intent, GW4 could have stopped it all right then. His defense will get tripped up on the fact they brutally murdered two people at one location, then went on to do it again and again and again.

• The defense has no exonerating evidence. If they did, they would have submitted it sometime in the last 2 yrs, as requested.

• Then there's the intent GW4 exhibited when he made serious threats against the investigators, prosecutors and even the governor of Ohio

It's a long list...

 

[Cool Cats]

• Judge Deering has already refused to drop charges 1 thru 8 against GW4. He's seen the evidence and heard the arguments

• With all the premeditation, purchasing of weapons, materials for silencers, planning, etc., the defense team will never convince a jury that GW4 only went along with the intention of paying a friendly, late night visit to the Wagner family.

• After first killing Chris Rhoden, Sr, there would have been no question about intent. Were he so pure of heart and intent, GW4 could have stopped it all right then. His defense will get tripped up on the fact they brutally murdered two people at one location, then went on to do it again and again and again.

• The defense has no exonerating evidence. If they did, they would have submitted it sometime in the last 2 yrs, as requested.

• Then there's the intent GW4 exhibited when he made serious threats against the investigators, prosecutors and even the governor of Ohio

It's a long list...

• The defense has no exonerating evidence. If they did, they would have submitted it sometime in the last 2 yrs, as requested.

Exactly.

We have said all along the defense hasn't turned evidence over to the prosecution. They have their ballistics and shoe print experts and no doubt other witnesses to disclose but doesn't appear to be evidence to exonerate George or Billy in any way.

It's a long list...

Yes.

 

[Betty P]

Thank you Covert, I am not very good at expressing what I am trying to say and I appreciate you taking the time to be precise and clear. I agree there is intent and I do believe GW went to the Rhoden's homes with full intent to see the murders carried out. And I do believe there is enough evidence to convict, I was only making an observation that we don't know everything in JW or AW's confession and I think they are going to try and minimize GW actions that night, and say it was BW who wore the shoes. I know AW said she bought them for the boys but she may have contradicted that in her confession and then again she may have throw GW under the bus.

The Faro scan results will tell how many people were in the room at CR1's and who did the shooting. They'll be able to tell where each shooter stood, how close they were to the victim, probably even their height.

ETA: Don't forget, they still have the trailers containing the crime scenes in storage. The prosecution felt it might help if needed, for jurors to view them in person.

Pike County massacre trailers moved again after FOX19 NOW Investigation

Nothing will show in more graphic detail how awful these killings were

Scenes of death roll slowly down Ohio highways

 

[sunshineray]

George:

04/04/2022 08:30 AM JURY TRIAL

Billy:

02/01/2022 01:30 PM PRE-TRIAL

Billy's preliminary stuff is far from done:

Motion 42 - DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE REQUESTING A PRETRIAL DAUBERT HEARING TO DETERMINE THE ADMISSIBILITY OF BALLISTICS EVIDENCE AND OPINIONS

Motion 43 - DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE REQUESTING A PRETRIAL DAUBERT HEARING TO DETERMINE THE ADMISSIBILITY OF SHOEPRINT EVIDENCE AND OPINIONS

Motion 44 - MOTION TO REVOKE ANDREW WILSON'S APPOINTMENT AS SPECIAL PROSECUTING ATTORNEY

Motion 45 - DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE REQUESTING A PRETRIAL EVIDENTIARY HEARING TO DETERMINE THE ADMISSIBILITY OF ANY NON-TESTIFYING CO-DEFENDANT STATEMENTS THE STATE INTENDS TO PRESENT IN ITS CASE IN CHIEF

Motion 46 - DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR AN ORDER REQUIRING THE PROSECUTION TO PROVIDE A TRANSCRIPT OF AUDIO RECORDINGS TO INTRODUCE AT TRIAL

Motion 47 - DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR AN ORDER COMPELLING THE STATE OF OHIO TO PROVIDE THE DEFENDANT WITH ALL FORENSIC EXPERT REPORTS AND UNDERLYING DATA The Court further finds that on February 22, 2021, the State of Ohio filed a NOTICE OF INTENT TO USE OTHER ACTS EVIDENCE PURSUANT TO 404(B). The Court further finds that on February 25, 2021, the Defendant filed the following motion:

Motion 48 - DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO COMPEL THE PROSECUTION TO PROVIDE TRANSCRIPTS OF AUDIO RECORDINGS IT INTENDS TO INTRODUCE AT TRIAL. It appears to the Court finds that MOTION 48, is similar to MOTION 46, filed with the Court on December 23, 2020. The Court further finds that on March 10, 2021, the Defendant filed the following motion:

Motion 49 (as re-designated). DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO PRECLUDE OTHER ACTS EVIDENCE

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We don't know if he will take a plea or go to trial. The last thing that happened with him is he lost getting the DP off the table.

I think Billy's attorneys will be watching George's trial like a hawk, waiting to see how it goes. If it goes bad then maybe they can talk him into a plea.

Thanks CC, I would have thought all those motions for actual evidence (audio and reports) would have already bern turned over in discovery.

It does seem like GW3 is planning on a wait and see. Do either of the George's really think there will be a reasonable doubt left after JW and AW get done testifying?

 

[Berrybell]

• Judge Deering has already refused to drop charges 1 thru 8 against GW4. He's seen the evidence and heard the arguments

• With all the premeditation, purchasing of weapons, materials for silencers, planning, etc., the defense team will never convince a jury that GW4 only went along with the intention of paying a friendly, late night visit to the Wagner family.

• After first killing Chris Rhoden, Sr, there would have been no question about intent. Were he so pure of heart and intent, GW4 could have stopped it all right then. His defense will get tripped up on the fact they brutally murdered two people at one location, then went on to do it again and again and again.

• The defense has no exonerating evidence. If they did, they would have submitted it sometime in the last 2 yrs, as requested.

• Then there's the intent GW4 exhibited when he made serious threats against the investigators, prosecutors and even the governor of Ohio

It's a long list...

I am only expressing I don't know everything in the proffer only what has been released and what I think (MOO) the JW & AW may have said or the defense will try to say. I will stop because I must not being clear and I don't want to cause anymore confusion. Thank you for comments Betty and CC I appreciate your work and dedication.

 

[Berrybell]

You express yourself very clear and concise to me. I enjoy when you post. You are correct, we do not know all the things that were said in the proffers but we do know some of what was said in JW's proffer according to the defense and according to things that have been filed. They probably will try to say BW wore the shoes that night if there is anyway possible that they can find a way to do so and make it fit (no pun intended). They may even say JW had on two left shoes either by accident or on purpose, just kidding about that I think.

Thank you CO, I agree with you and am curious what is in JW & AW's proffers not just the limited amount that has been released. It will be interesting to see how they have collaborated and attempted to twist and nullify evidence.