OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #76

[Chelly]

James Pilcher

@jamespilcher
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Room A of the Flying W where all the weapons were found was Robin Wagner's bedroom - she's Billy Wagner's sister.
@local12

 

[Ann99]

Missed that. What was it?

I edited and added. The room identified as A .
I hope I heard that correctly. I was so shocked.

 

[ColMustard]

Ugh, nothing useful gained from bugging the vehicle at the border. Audio quality was very poor. ...per Scheiderer on cross exam.

 

[sunshineray]

Ohhh for goodness sake, they screwed up with the ND thing, so no video interview in MT, wasn't time to set that up

 

[Chelly]

Missed that. What was it?

Room A of the Flying W where all the weapons were found was Robin Wagner's bedroom

 

[Ann99]

James Pilcher
@jamespilcher
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1m

Room A of the Flying W where all the weapons were found was Robin Wagner's bedroom - she's Billy Wagner's sister.
@local12

This kinda fits with what Tackett said about seeing all the murder gear …something about Robin doing a hip or chiropractic adjustment…

 

[Betty P]

Room A of the Flying W where all the weapons were found was Robin Wagner's bedroom

How did she and FW NOT know about the murders? This brings up so many questions, not just about the investigation but also things much closer to WS.

 

[dgfred]

Oh, all those weapons were needed for more animal heads. Don't ya know.

 

[sunshineray]

Omg. room A - AT FWF. Where most weapons, etc., found ?
Robin Wagners Bedroom, sitting area.

Was that to keep BW away from them? Bet RW had her room locked too. JMO

 

[Chelly]

How did she and FW NOT know about the murders? This brings up so many questions, not just about the investigation but also things much closer to WS.

I guess AC will let us know at some point. She is still laying foundation.
ETA: This testimony is all over the place.

 

[Betty P]

Oh, all those weapons were needed for more animal heads. Don't ya know.

But we're supposed to keep an open mind here and assume these people are as pure as the driven snow. Living close to the cross. We're supposed to endure a lot of stuff.

 

[ColMustard]

Defense asked they be allowed to play Jake's interview during cross exam of Scheiderer, judge immediately announces a break until 2:35pm.

Edit: I had to go back and make sure that's what I heard, and it was.

Schiederer said the interview is "4-6 hours long ... many hours".

 

[justtrish]

It's laughable the defense just asked about people in the country burning their trash. I know they do and my grandparents had a burn barrel and we often helped them burn trash. I don't recall ever burning electronics though. I'd say that might be odd especially electronics you recently purchased with a 3 year service plan. Electronics that aren't outdated or being replaced by something else, just burned because why? I am sure it happens, but the only thing he could come up with to ask about that was don't people often burn trash as if it was not at all suspicious to burn a fairly new electronic device you had also purchased a protection plan for.

 

[Niner]

I don't know whether I should post these since @Chelly has been posting individual tweets - but here it goes anyway....

James Pilcher
@jamespilcher
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Parker goes at Eveslage on a different text string - between Billy and Jake. Tries to get her to say it was directly related to murders, but she wants to say it is about family dynamics

On redirect - Canepa points out the family left for Alaska when Ed Carter was sick and dying and that no one, even George came back for the funeral. Everslage also says the messages with Billy and Jake was different because Billy says he was proud of his son.

The grandfather who got robbed is on the Carter side - Angela's father.



Correction - BCI's Ryan Scheiderer returns to stand.

BCI plan was to intercept the Wagners at the Canadian border on the way back from their scouting trip. Had ping orders on their phones in real time - only when they called or got texts. Not content.

Scheiderer had special training to apply for intercept warrant which allows them to listen in to phone calls. Huge legal process.

Also got a wiretap warrant to put in their Suburban Yukon. This is June 2017 All four were in the same vehicle along with Sophia and Bulvine. Were planning to intecept them in North Dakota

Had individual interview folders made up with records etc. They flew up to North Dakota and Air Force went with them. Big team including special prosecutors etc.

Once got there and got cell phone service, found out the Wagners planned to come back via Sweetgrass Montana. So they flew there as soon as they could

"We scrambled" ... had to coordinate on the fly with Montana officials over the weekend. Also altered wiretap arrangements to include body wire.

Each Wagner was to get two separate BCI agents for interviews. They were treated as suspects "the gig was up at that point"

Each person notified as to their Miranda rights against self-incrimination.

And under Ohio law, agents are required to record all interviews with suspects in serious crimes (rape, aggravated murder) .

After those interviews, they were released. Billy released first, then Angela, then George and his son Bulvine, then Jake and his daughter Sophia .

Border patrol seized some items from the SUV - laptop and ipad. This was when the listening devices were being installed

Not getting into what the interviews turned up at this point. But at this point all four phones being tapped as well as listening devices in the vehicle.

Now moving onto the burned up item found in fire pit at Wagner house at Peterson Road.

BCI bought an indentical unit to the one found on the receipt they got from the search warrant. And it appears to be same make and model of the one found in burn pit.

Room A of the Flying W where all the weapons were found was Robin Wagner's bedroom - she's Billy Wagner's sister.

Parker on cross - got Scheiderer to admit they couldn't get anything on wiretap of the SUV - the quality of the audio was unusable.

Also tried to videotape interview with body worn camera, but he turned it off by accident instead of turning it on.

Scheiderer says Jake lied in interview at the border, as did Angela. Asked about Billy and they approach the judge's bench as prosecution objects.



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[Chelly]

I have edited this post so many times! I have to say the testimony that the weapons were found in Robin Wagner's bedroom nearly knocked me off my chair.

 

[sunshineray]

Heard most of it, I was listening from the kitchen. Cringed a little, wished FBI had been helping a little with the border stuff and questioning.

Yeah there most likely would be video recordings of these hours long interviews with the W's. That, IMO, was a major blunder on BCI's...going and setting up everything in the wrong state, then having to scramble to MT. It cost them the jurir's seeing demeanor and body language. All they will have is audio. The Mob's been convicted a just audio though.

 

[Niner]

And it is my bedtime - I shall do the rest in the morning.
Unless @Chelly wants to do them all...

 

[Pru2U]

How did she and FW NOT know about the murders? This brings up so many questions, not just about the investigation but also things much closer to WS.

I remember watching the video of BW being arrested (in Lexington KY) & wondering how active Robin may have been on social media, especially during the evening (after farm work was done). I still wonder.

 

[SuziQ]

It's laughable the defense just asked about people in the country burning their trash. I know they do and my grandparents had a burn barrel and we often helped them burn trash. I don't recall ever burning electronics though. I'd say that might be odd especially electronics you recently purchased with a 3 year service plan. Electronics that aren't outdated or being replaced by something else, just burned because why? I am sure it happens, but the only thing he could come up with to ask about that was don't people often burn trash as if it was not at all suspicious to burn a fairly new electronic device you had also purchased a protection plan for.

I wonder what that DVR recorded? Where were the cameras? Inside outside?

 

[sunshineray]

But we're supposed to keep an open mind here and assume these people are as pure as the driven snow. Living close to the cross. We're supposed to endure a lot of stuff.

Devil's advocate here...I suppose RW could be an avid gun collector/hunter. They could be all hers.