Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #7 *Arrests*

[Trino]

They walk among us. Idiots who truly believed they could murder two innocent women and get away with it. I believe T Adams still thinks she can.

 

[tuesdaysgone]

They walk among us. Idiots who truly believed they could murder two innocent women and get away with it. I believe T Adams still thinks she can.

I agree. She has shown zero remorse or compassion. Her grandchildren will spend the rest of their lives without the love & support of their mother. (Jilian’s too!) TA is so narcissistic I believe she will always try to justify her actions.

I can imagine how excited Veronica was to see her children. The terror that she must have felt when she encountered PG in that trailer. I wonder what her thoughts were in those moments…fighting for her life as TA stood there laughing. Jilian had to have been in complete shock. I truly hope the jurors will imagine all of those moments.
The Rhoden/Wagner case shook my belief in our system. Its broken. You bet TA & Tad believe they should walk free one day. There are Judges out there that agree with them.

 

[PommyMommy]

Update on Grice - 2/19/25 Proceedings continued to 4/16/25
Update on Cora - 2/19/25 Proceedings continued to 5/14/25

ADAMS, TIFANY MACHEL - OSCN Case Details
12/17/2024 DEFT FREELY & VOLUNTARILY WAIVES RIGHT TO PRELIM HRG & SPEEDY TRIAL. STATE CONCURS. FP SET 4/16/25 AT 9 AM.

CULLUM, TAD BERT - OSCN Case Details
01/08/2025 - RIGHT TO ARRAIGNMENT AND RIGHT TO SPEEDY TRIAL WAIVED. FP SET 1/13/2025 ORDERED CONT'D TO 4/16/2025 AT 9:00 AM. PDF

TWOMBLY, COLE EARL - OSCN Case Details
12/18/2025 PRELIM HRG WAIVED. SPEEDY TRIAL WAIVED. FURTHER PROCEEDINGS SET 5/7/2025 AT 9 AM.

TWOMBLY, CORA GAYLE - OSCN Case Details
Wednesday, May 14, 2025 at 09:00:00.000 CST FURTHER PROCEEDINGS

GRICE, PAUL JEREMIAH - OSCN Case Details
02/03/2025 BY AGREEMENT OF BOTH PARTIES. CRT CONTINUES MATTER TO 4/16/2025.

 

[Rixey]

Mom of woman killed in OK panhandle over bitter custody battle files wrongful death suit

The mother of Veronica Butler, one of the two women killed in the Oklahoma panhandle over a bitter custody battle, filed a wrongful death suit against the five

abc7amarillo.com

 

[PommyMommy]

Mom of woman killed in OK panhandle over bitter custody battle files wrongful death suit

The mother of Veronica Butler, one of the two women killed in the Oklahoma panhandle over a bitter custody battle, filed a wrongful death suit against the five

abc7amarillo.com

From the article:

One big revelation is Verner claims Adams -- the children's grandmother -- used her position on the Cimarron County Hospital Board of Directors to "falsify hospital records to push the narrative that (Butler's) brother had sexually assaulted the children," and that she did so "to gain full custody and control of the children.”

 

[Curious Me]

From the article:

One big revelation is Verner claims Adams -- the children's grandmother -- used her position on the Cimarron County Hospital Board of Directors to "falsify hospital records to push the narrative that (Butler's) brother had sexually assaulted the children," and that she did so "to gain full custody and control of the children.”

Thank You, @PommyMommy. I would've missed that if not for you pointing it out. The audacity of Adams leaves me speechless. It says falsely, so am I to understand it as there was never any legal evidence that Veronica's brother ever did anything sexual to the children? Did Adams make it all up? Then, talked that misfit group to do what they did on her made up lies? Evil, evil woman.​

Mom of woman killed in OK panhandle over bitter custody battle files wrongful death suit

The mother of Veronica Butler, one of the two women killed in the Oklahoma panhandle over a bitter custody battle, filed a wrongful death suit against the five

abc7amarillo.com

 

[Seattle1]

Thank You, @PommyMommy. I would've missed that if not for you pointing it out. The audacity of Adams leaves me speechless. It says falsely, so am I to understand it as there was never any legal evidence that Veronica's brother ever did anything sexual to the children? Did Adams make it all up? Then, talked that misfit group to do what they did on her made up lies? Evil, evil woman.

IMO, "legal evidence" also comes in the form of allegations where the Court makes decisions in the best interest of minor children.

Before the custody records were sealed, I recall the Court decided to terminate joint custody enjoyed by parents VB and WR (per Appeal reversed and remanded). At this time, emergency motions were filed by WR (i.e., TA) alleging VB and her mother (the plaintiff in the wrongful death lawsuit) refused to keep the brother away from the minor children because they did not believe the allegations of sexual abuse by the brother --despite alleged evidence produced by TA from KS and OK authorities.

Regardless of the validity, violating the Court Order resulted in VB being allowed only supervised visitation. Whether or not the abuse records and/or evidence produced to the Court from KS and OK by TA were falsified as alleged in the wrongful death lawsuit remains unknown.

However, what is certain -- TA is an evil, evil, woman. MOO

 

[Curious Me]

This does confirm Adams had fabricated and deviously done other things to take control and keep those children, but when it looked like she was losing, she bought stun guns. Ugh, MOO, she's of disgusting, corrupted moral character fueled by thinking she had some kind of power, and it led to sorrow for everyone. Makes me sick how she selfishly ruined everyone's lives, especially the lives of those precious children.​

Mom of woman killed in OK panhandle over bitter custody battle files wrongful death suit

The mother of Veronica Butler, one of the two women killed in the Oklahoma panhandle over a bitter custody battle, filed a wrongful death suit against the five

abc7amarillo.com

 

[charmingbetsy]

This does confirm Adams had fabricated and deviously done other things to take control and keep those children, but when it looked like she was losing, she bought stun guns. Ugh, MOO, she's of disgusting, corrupted moral character fueled by thinking she had some kind of power, and it led to sorrow for everyone. Makes me sick how she selfishly ruined everyone's lives, especially the lives of those precious children.​

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Mom of woman killed in OK panhandle over bitter custody battle files wrongful death suit

The mother of Veronica Butler, one of the two women killed in the Oklahoma panhandle over a bitter custody battle, filed a wrongful death suit against the five

abc7amarillo.com

I'm really struggling with how this "discovery" is phrased in light of my own extensive reading on the pleadings in the prior cases. Unless there was some separate, sealed guardianship case where the Court "discovered" these things by *actually making a finding of fact or issuing an order*, I'm unsure what this petition means by using the term "discovery" in this context. It seems to be an, er, *artful* way of saying that another party presented information to the Court and made the Court aware of an allegation. A casual, nonlegal reader would definitely infer that there had been a court finding, and this petition does not state that. If the Court had made an actual finding or issued an order, this petition would have stated so. It would be quite uncommon for an attorney to wordsmith this way if there was a court order or minute to reference in support of an allegation.

I'm not saying this petition is intentionally misleading, but parties are provided great privilege in making all sorts of statements in court filings and often do so in an effort to spin public narrative.

 

[Seattle1]

I'm really struggling with how this "discovery" is phrased in light of my own extensive reading on the pleadings in the prior cases. Unless there was some separate, sealed guardianship case where the Court "discovered" these things by *actually making a finding of fact or issuing an order*, I'm unsure what this petition means by using the term "discovery" in this context. It seems to be an, er, *artful* way of saying that another party presented information to the Court and made the Court aware of an allegation. A casual, nonlegal reader would definitely infer that there had been a court finding, and this petition does not state that. If the Court had made an actual finding or issued an order, this petition would have stated so. It would be quite uncommon for an attorney to wordsmith this way if there was a court order or minute to reference in support of an allegation.

I'm not saying this petition is intentionally misleading, but parties are provided great privilege in making all sorts of statements in court filings and often do so in an effort to spin public narrative.

Agree. The source here is the published civil complaint-- allegations forming the civil lawsuit seeking monetary damages by the plaintiff, the mother of VB.

For purposes of discussion, we can't say more than custody records including a no-contact order as early as June 2021 (i.e., KS DCF) were open when the victims were first reported missing but as the investigation escalated, the custody records were sealed and remain so.

From the subject lawsuit, I think readers can understand how the plaintiff might allege TA used her position on the OK hospital board to cause OK medical records to be falsified but I personally doubt there's evidence to support TA was exercising similar power over KS DCF as early as 2021. Nonetheless, I fully support the plaintiff and hope she prevails against every one of these monsters she's suing. MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Family of Veronica Butler files wrongful death lawsuit against murder suspects

Butler and Jillian Kelley were found dead on April 14, 2024.

www.newschannel10.com

 

[PommyMommy]

Family of Veronica Butler files wrongful death lawsuit against murder suspects

Butler and Jillian Kelley were found dead on April 14, 2024.

www.newschannel10.com

From the article:

Also named in the lawsuit, filed Monday in Texas County, were various assets such as trusts, Adams Family Farming, Karat Top Weed and Pest Control, for which Adams is listed as an owner, and Cullum Farms, which was owned by Tad Cullum.

 

[Rixey]

From the article:

Also named in the lawsuit, filed Monday in Texas County, were various assets such as trusts, Adams Family Farming, Karat Top Weed and Pest Control, for which Adams is listed as an owner, and Cullum Farms, which was owned by Tad Cullum.

I don't know the value of the various trusts, or what assets they include, etc but one of them, Tad's TSC Hanes trust, which appears to have been created in 2020, received over 350k in farm subsidies in 2022 & 2023 according to EWG.

EWG's Farm Subsidy Database

EWG's Farm Subsidy Database put the issue on the map and is driving reform. Just ten percent of America's largest and richest farms collect almost three-fourths of federal farm subsidies; cash payments that often harm the environment.

farm.ewg.org

 

[Rixey]

Came across this while looking for something else

https://www.ksn.com/news/state-regional/bill-would-rename-highway-for-murdered-kansas-moms/

 

[Rixey]

Well, looks like Tad has decided after all this time to try to get the judge removed from the case. Rather odd that this wasn't filed months ago, unless of course they've determined it's just more advantageous to delay things further.

Tad Cullum files motion to recuse, disqualify judge from Texas County murder case

Defendant Tad Cullum has filed a motion to recuse and disqualify Judge Jon K. Parsley from further proceedings.

www.kwch.com

 

[Seattle1]

Well, looks like Tad has decided after all this time to try to get the judge removed from the case. Rather odd that this wasn't filed months ago, unless of course they've determined it's just more advantageous to delay things further.

Tad Cullum files motion to recuse, disqualify judge from Texas County murder case

Defendant Tad Cullum has filed a motion to recuse and disqualify Judge Jon K. Parsley from further proceedings.

www.kwch.com

Interesting that TA didn't make this allegation herself long ago! As for the timing of Tad's Motion-- he may have just learned of this prior representation. Also, from the Motion, we don't know if the Judge represented TA 15 months or 15 years prior to TA appearing in his court for the double murders.

I recall when Colorado's Judge Murphy recused himself from presiding over Barry Morphew's case when challenged because he was friends with the attorney of a witness! Yes, a potential witness. Since OK Judges decide the punishment of the convicted if jurors are not unanimous for this phase, I think there's a good chance the Judge here could be replaced. JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

ADAMS, TIFANY MACHEL - OSCN Case Details
12/17/2024 DEFT FREELY & VOLUNTARILY WAIVES RIGHT TO PRELIM HRG & SPEEDY TRIAL. STATE CONCURS. FP SET 4/16/25 AT 9 AM.

CULLUM, TAD BERT - OSCN Case Details
01/08/2025 - RIGHT TO ARRAIGNMENT AND RIGHT TO SPEEDY TRIAL WAIVED. FP SET 1/13/2025 ORDERED CONT'D TO 4/16/2025 AT 9:00 AM. PDF

3/26/2025 - DFENDANT'S CULLUM'S MOTION TO RECUSE AND DISQUALIFY PDF

TWOMBLY, COLE EARL - OSCN Case Details
12/18/2025 PRELIM HRG WAIVED. SPEEDY TRIAL WAIVED. FURTHER PROCEEDINGS SET 5/7/2025 AT 9 AM.

TWOMBLY, CORA GAYLE - OSCN Case Details
Wednesday, May 14, 2025 at 09:00:00.000 CST FURTHER PROCEEDINGS

GRICE, PAUL JEREMIAH - OSCN Case Details
02/03/2025 BY AGREEMENT OF BOTH PARTIES. CRT CONTINUES MATTER TO 4/16/2025.

 

[Rixey]

Interesting that TA didn't make this allegation herself long ago! As for the timing of Tad's Motion-- he may have just learned of this prior representation. Also, from the Motion, we don't know if the Judge represented TA 15 months or 15 years prior to TA appearing in his court for the double murders.

I recall when Colorado's Judge Murphy recused himself from presiding over Barry Morphew's case when challenged because he was friends with the attorney of a witness! Yes, a potential witness. Since OK Judges decide the punishment of the convicted if jurors are not unanimous for this phase, I think there's a good chance the Judge here could be replaced. JMO

The article says he represented her in a civil case in 2010.

 

[anneoakley63]

ADAMS, TIFANY MACHEL - OSCN Case Details
12/17/2024 DEFT FREELY & VOLUNTARILY WAIVES RIGHT TO PRELIM HRG & SPEEDY TRIAL. STATE CONCURS. FP SET 4/16/25 AT 9 AM.

CULLUM, TAD BERT - OSCN Case Details
01/08/2025 - RIGHT TO ARRAIGNMENT AND RIGHT TO SPEEDY TRIAL WAIVED. FP SET 1/13/2025 ORDERED CONT'D TO 4/16/2025 AT 9:00 AM. PDF

3/26/2025 - DFENDANT'S CULLUM'S MOTION TO RECUSE AND DISQUALIFY PDF

TWOMBLY, COLE EARL - OSCN Case Details
12/18/2025 PRELIM HRG WAIVED. SPEEDY TRIAL WAIVED. FURTHER PROCEEDINGS SET 5/7/2025 AT 9 AM.

TWOMBLY, CORA GAYLE - OSCN Case Details
Wednesday, May 14, 2025 at 09:00:00.000 CST FURTHER PROCEEDINGS

GRICE, PAUL JEREMIAH - OSCN Case Details
02/03/2025 BY AGREEMENT OF BOTH PARTIES. CRT CONTINUES MATTER TO 4/16/2025.

So I'm trying to keep up with all the happenings in this case. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Cora and Cole both accepted a plea deal which gives them 30 years? In OK they are required to serve 85% of their time, which means they could be eligible for parole in 25 1/2 years. Looking at the dates, is 5/07/25 the date the judge will accept those please deals?

It's a shame this group of clowns didn't give Veronica and Jillian a choice on what they wanted to do for the rest of their lives.

 

[Ladyotm]

This does confirm Adams had fabricated and deviously done other things to take control and keep those children, but when it looked like she was losing, she bought stun guns. Ugh, MOO, she's of disgusting, corrupted moral character fueled by thinking she had some kind of power, and it led to sorrow for everyone. Makes me sick how she selfishly ruined everyone's lives, especially the lives of those precious children.​

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Mom of woman killed in OK panhandle over bitter custody battle files wrongful death suit

The mother of Veronica Butler, one of the two women killed in the Oklahoma panhandle over a bitter custody battle, filed a wrongful death suit against the five

abc7amarillo.com

She stopped at nothing to try to take Veronica's children. She should have been satisfied with a healthy relationship but she wanted them for her own! MOO

I'm trying to understand that if she did speak to the board about supposed abuse of the children, in what capacity would she be doing this where it was ok? and would any statements made "on the record" be part of the board meeting minutes? Could it have been to disclosed potential conflicts of interests (the children being brought to the hospital for exams, etc.).

From what I've learned as a GAL, if abuse is disclosed through a forensic interview, a forensic exam is performed. Why would she want her grandchildren to be potentially subjected to this? Absolutely horrible!