Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #7 *Arrests*

[GRT]

Also, has Grice's wife filed for divorce?

RSBM...

I would really like to know that, too. Or, is she standing by her man?

 

[CuriousCricket]

I don't think anything will save Tad from a jury believing he was deaf and blind to the atrocities of March 30! Seems to me Tad's defense is hoping to spare him the death penalty by blaming PG for JK's death but I think the family of the victims have already expressed mercy for the defendants to serve life sentences so not necessary to take up this pointless version that Tad just waited outside taking in fresh air. MOO
(Snipped for focus CC)
In a legal filing in September, prosecutors had alleged Cullum stabbed the second woman. Prosecutors may back away from that allegation at trial but still say Cullum is responsible.

Grandmother accused of orchestrating two murders laughed after ambush, key witness says

Three murder defendants now face trial in the Oklahoma Panhandle double murder case. Two others have deals.

www.oklahoman.com

To my way of thinking, Tad likely believed he HAD killed JK when he may have paralyzed her. However, since his intent was to murder her and he was involved in a conspiracy to kill two women, whether the final killing wound was inflicted by TC or PG is completely immaterial, as I see it. TC was there to kill JK and he at least horribly maimed her and believed he had killed her.

In addition, since the plan was to bury them in the freezer, she would have been dead according to the plan TC was willingly participating in.

TC's lawyer is simply doing his job with this "hail Mary".

 

[windrower]

@vls12345 just replying to clarify, I focused on there having been a week to abandon their depraved scheme because of Cora Twombly's testimony that Tad Cullum had been added to the murder team only a week prior to the killings. She testified they were worried he might drunkenly blab something, so he was kept in the dark until then.

I believe it was Cole Twombly who was added just a week prior. According to Cora’s (?) testimony, he was left out because he would get chatty when he was drinking, and the others feared he might talk about the plan.

I’ll go find a link.

 

[Seattle1]

@vls12345 just replying to clarify, I focused on there having been a week to abandon their depraved scheme because of Cora Twombly's testimony that Tad Cullum had been added to the murder team only a week prior to the killings. She testified they were worried he might drunkenly blab something, so he was kept in the dark until then.

Not Tad but Cora's husband Cole added to the team only a week prior because TA afraid of his drinking problem and loose lips...

12/18/24

In her testimony, she also claimed her husband Cole Twombly did not know about the plan until the week before because Adams didn’t want him involved because he was known to drink and was scared the word would get around.

 

[PommyMommy]

RSBM.

Also, has Grice's wife filed for divorce?

RSBM...

I would really like to know that, too. Or, is she standing by her man?

I haven't looked for a divorce filing, but it's been reported that Grice's wife and kids left town.

MAY 1, 2024

Paul Grice, suspect in Kansas moms killings, can’t afford attorney

Paul Grice, 31, was arrested and charged in the kidnappings and murders of Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley.

www.newsnationnow.com

Residents of Guymon, Oklahoma, who spoke to NewsNation said he lived with his wife and kids out in the country. Grice’s wife, NewsNation was told, has since left town with the children and says she knew absolutely nothing about the alleged killings.

 

[Rixey]

RSBM...

I would really like to know that, too. Or, is she standing by her man?

Does it creep anyone else out that his wife (ex-wife?) has the same last name as one of the victims?

 

[Muddy K]

I believe it was Cole Twombly who was added just a week prior. According to Cora’s (?) testimony, he was left out because he would get chatty when he was drinking, and the others feared he might talk about the plan.

I’ll go find a link.

Not Tad but Cora's husband Cole added to the team only a week prior because TA afraid of his drinking problem and loose lips...

Thank you both for the correction. The details of this devastating case are so important to me.

One too many threads plus one too many cases plus one too many late nights equals next time slow down and check the facts before posting. I should have.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

DBM. Subsequent post clarifies who was added to the ‘gang’ by TA and team one week prior to the enactment. MOO

 

[Trino]

RSBM...

I would really like to know that, too. Or, is she standing by her man?

Please file for divorce. This man is being tried for murder of two unarmed, innocent females. He's never coming home.

 

[Berrybell]

Please file for divorce. This man is being tried for murder of two unarmed, innocent females. He's never coming home.

I wonder if she knew before he planned to participate in the murder of two innocent women. If not, when did she learn he was a killer of helpless women? Grice is a monster same as the others.

 

[PommyMommy]

I wonder if she knew before he planned to participate in the murder of two innocent women. If not, when did she learn he was a killer of helpless women? Grice is a monster same as the others.

FWIW, she says she knew nothing about the murders. So far, I haven't seen any reason not to believe her. MOO

Paul Grice, suspect in Kansas moms killings, can’t afford attorney

Paul Grice, 31, was arrested and charged in the kidnappings and murders of Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley.

www.newsnationnow.com

Residents of Guymon, Oklahoma, who spoke to NewsNation said he lived with his wife and kids out in the country. Grice’s wife, NewsNation was told, has since left town with the children and says she knew absolutely nothing about the alleged killings.

 

[Rixey]

FWIW, she says she knew nothing about the murders. So far, I haven't seen any reason not to believe her. MOO

Paul Grice, suspect in Kansas moms killings, can’t afford attorney

Paul Grice, 31, was arrested and charged in the kidnappings and murders of Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley.

www.newsnationnow.com

Residents of Guymon, Oklahoma, who spoke to NewsNation said he lived with his wife and kids out in the country. Grice’s wife, NewsNation was told, has since left town with the children and says she knew absolutely nothing about the alleged killings.

I tend to agree that she knew nothing beforehand, but I can't quite get behind the idea that she didn't at least have some strong suspicions after the fact given how he was acting. Especially once she knew about the arrests of his "friends" and his own injury.

That said, if I were in her shoes I wouldn't voluntarily admit to knowing anything (there is no upside) and I would do whatever I could to distance myself & kids from the entire situation while maintaining the lowest possible profile. I would also let an attorney guide me through the process of legally protecting myself & children while disentangling myself from PG for good.

 

[Trino]

I tend to agree that she knew nothing beforehand, but I can't quite get behind the idea that she didn't at least have some strong suspicions after the fact given how he was acting. Especially once she knew about the arrests of his "friends" and his own injury.

That said, if I were in her shoes I wouldn't voluntarily admit to knowing anything (there is no upside) and I would do whatever I could to distance myself & kids from the entire situation while maintaining the lowest possible profile. I would also let an attorney guide me through the process of legally protecting myself & children while disentangling myself from PG for good.

Assuming she can afford an attorney.
It seems logical she would have figured something was amiss and asked PG. After all, he is her husband. Before his arrest they must have discussed the situation, even just a bit. It was big news.
How awful to suspect your spouse is a murderer. How would she go to bed at night and feel safe, that he wouldn't attack her too? How old are her children?

 

[tuesdaysgone]

RSBM.

Exactly. And it wasn't a week to snap out of it & abandon their plan. They had an earlier, previous plan (in February) to kill VB by throwing an anvil off the back of a truck onto her car.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/21/us/oklahoma-double-murder-plot/index.html

Also, has Grice's wife filed for divorce?

Paul & his current partner were not actually legally married.

 

[Rixey]

Paul & his current partner were not actually legally married.

I wondered about that, especially given all the weird stuff about renouncing the government, but every news article had referred to them as being married.

I'm glad she can more or less walk away & hopefully give the kids a stable home far from the insanity. It's not like he is in any position to make demands about visitation and she wouldn't be getting any child-support. A divorce would only have added costs & a paper trail.

 

[Trino]

I wondered about that, especially given all the weird stuff about renouncing the government, but every news article had referred to them as being married.

I'm glad she can more or less walk away & hopefully give the kids a stable home far from the insanity. It's not like he is in any position to make demands about visitation and she wouldn't be getting any child-support. A divorce would only have added costs & a paper trail.

Don't know how old the children are, but if they are young, they don't need to know details. Mom also doesn't need to visit prison with (or without) them. He's not going to be out - if ever - before they are adults. IMO he can cry in court everyday, but that's not bringing back these women to their children. Learned early in life that tears don't change anything.

 

[PommyMommy]

ADAMS, TIFANY MACHEL - OSCN Case Details
12/17/2024 DEFT FREELY & VOLUNTARILY WAIVES RIGHT TO PRELIM HRG & SPEEDY TRIAL. STATE CONCURS. FP SET 4/16/25 AT 9 AM.

CULLUM, TAD BERT - OSCN Case Details
12/18/2025 PRELIM HRG HELD. CRT FINDS PROBABLE CAUSE FELONY OFFENSES COMMITTED AS CHARGED IN AMENDED INFO. MATTER SET FOR FURTHER PROCEEDINGS 1/13/2025 AT 9 AM.

TWOMBLY, COLE EARL - OSCN Case Details
12/18/2025 PRELIM HRG WAIVED. SPEEDY TRIAL WAIVED. FURTHER PROCEEDINGS SET 5/7/2025 AT 9 AM.

TWOMBLY, CORA GAYLE - OSCN Case Details
10/15/2024 PARTIES APPEAR AND WAIVE RIGHT TO PRELIM HRG AND SPEEDY TRIAL. MATTER SET FOR FURTHER PROCEEDINGS BEFORE JUDGE PARSLEY ON 2/19/2025 AT 1:30 P.M.

GRICE, PAUL JEREMIAH - OSCN Case Details
9/18/2024 PH WAIVED. MATTER SET FOR FURTHER PROCEEDINGS ON 2/19/2025 AT 1:30 PM BEFORE JUDGE PARSLEY.

Update in Tad Cullum's case:

CULLUM, TAD BERT - OSCN Case Details
01/08/2025 - RIGHT TO ARRAIGNMENT AND RIGHT TO SPEEDY TRIAL WAIVED. FP SET 1/13/2025 ORDERED CONT'D TO 4/16/2025 AT 9:00 AM. PDF
01/08/2025 - WAIVER OF RIGHT TO SPEEDY TRIAL PDF

(Same date that Tifany's case is set for further proceedings.)

Last defendant in Texas County murders waives right to speedy trial

Tad Cullum waived his right to a speedy trial in court today.

www.newschannel10.com

Tad Cullum was the only defendant in the murders of Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley that went through with preliminary hearings and had not waived his rights.

 

[Chimera]

Paul & his current partner were not actually legally married.

And here the msm has largely described them as married; but the link you quoted says otherwise ?
It will be better for Paul's partner going forward to not have to file, and she won't have to change her name as she might have wanted to do if she'd taken his surname ?
PG's actions have still harmed them.
What a monster.
He'll have time to think over his actions in the years ahead of him.
Still smh over the decisions of TA's cohorts.
Imo.

 

[Chimera]

Don't know how old the children are, but if they are young, they don't need to know details. Mom also doesn't need to visit prison with (or without) them. He's not going to be out - if ever - before they are adults. IMO he can cry in court everyday, but that's not bringing back these women to their children. Learned early in life that tears don't change anything.

Bbm.
Agreed 100 %.
One would hope not ?
Omo.

 

[Chimera]

@tuesdaysgone :

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