GUILTY PA - Christina Regusters for kidnap, rape of 5yo girl, Philadelphia, 14 Jan 2013 - #2

[believe09]

I am trying to wrap my brain around the idea that she was kidnapped from school, subjected to FGM and then dumped clad in a shirt...dumped in a public place.

The practice is mostly carried out by traditional circumcisers, who often play other central roles in communities, such as attending childbirths. However, more than 18% of all FGM is performed by health care providers, and this trend is increasing.

This is from WHO LINK HERE

If we run with this theory, I would think it would be fairly easy to determine who circumcised her. There are likely to be other families in the area who have subjected their children to the same practice, dont you think? And if the circumciser is new to the area, I would think that might stand out as well.

HMMM.

 

[Cappuccino]

I am trying to wrap my brain around the idea that she was kidnapped from school, subjected to FGM and then dumped clad in a shirt...dumped in a public place.



This is from WHO LINK HERE

If we run with this theory, I would think it would be fairly easy to determine who circumcised her. There are likely to be other families in the area who have subjected their children to the same practice, dont you think? And if the circumciser is new to the area, I would think that might stand out as well.

HMMM.

FGM is an ignorant and horrific cultural artefact, but its not something that the practitioners kidnap random children for. If this is what's happened, then there must be some family involvement. Either a parent, grandparent or other family member who ordered it to be done.

Again, I think it would help us assess how likely this scenario is if we knew the ethnic background of the family. And also the religious background - all we know is that they're muslim, which doesn't tell us anything more than "Christian". Just as Christian could mean anything from lapsed Catholic to the Westboro Baptist Church, muslim has the same range of beliefs.

 

[tlcya]

I am trying to wrap my brain around the idea that she was kidnapped from school, subjected to FGM and then dumped clad in a shirt...dumped in a public place.



This is from WHO LINK HERE

If we run with this theory, I would think it would be fairly easy to determine who circumcised her. There are likely to be other families in the area who have subjected their children to the same practice, dont you think? And if the circumciser is new to the area, I would think that might stand out as well.

HMMM.

Not that I am doubting that this barbaric practice may go on in this country more than we think, but it is highly illegal. IF someone in the community is "known" for doing this they are certainly not in the yellow pages. If this practice is going on locally, however limited, it is going on underground and in absolute secrecy by necessity.

Another reason that I think the reward could be a factor in bringing in the needed information leading to the perps who took little N.

 

[believe09]

I am trying to find stats of FGM in the United States. Here is a story from 1995:

Atlantic Wire

Here is details of Legislation enacted to combat the practice:

Center For Reproductive Rights 2004

Here is a story from CNN in 2010:

Link Here

From the CNN Article:

Rarely have cases of female genital cutting been documented in the U.S., but much more likely, cutting has moved underground in the U.S. and overseas, advocacy groups and doctors say.

In the U.S., an estimated 228,000 women have been cut -- or are at risk of being cut -- because they come from an ethnic community that practices female genital cutting, according an analysis of 2000 Census data conducted by the African Women's Health Center at Brigham and Women's Hospital. The Census reports there are roughly 150 million women living in the United States.

 

[jjenny]

If this child had serious physical injuries, why would the hospital release her so quickly? Obviously she had an exam done when she was found. At that time they must have cleared her to quickly release her to her mother. So find that aspect hard to understand.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

If this child had serious physical injuries, why would the hospital release her so quickly? Obviously she had an exam done when she was found. At that time they must have cleared her to quickly release her to her mother. So find that aspect hard to understand.

This. I keep thinking where is all this mutilation coming from. Is it just speculation?? I would think if a child that young was raped, or mutilated they would have kept her to watch her at least for a short while?

This is so devastating. I can not imagine what this little girl went through. My aunt teaches in an inner city school down there. I just can't believe this happened.

 

[tlcya]

The simplest form involves a small cut to the clitoris or labial tissue A Sunna circumcision removes the prepuce (a fold of skin that covers the clitoris) and/or the tip of the clitoris. A clitoridectomy removes the entire clitoris and some or all of the surrounding tissue; this procedure occurs in approximately 80% of cases. http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Female+Genital+Mutilation

Sorry to be graphic here but from the reading I have been doing, depending on the type of mutilation inflicted the aftercare and risk of bleeding, infections etc seem to vary depending on the exact nature of the injury.

If the IBM type is done it would seem to be a faster healing injury with less bleeding, etc than if one of the other methods is done.

I hate that this case has gone here but cannot discount this as a POSSIBLE injury inflicted.

That said, I am not limiting myself to this theory. I remain open to this child being taken as some other form of retribution and that the injuries N suffered are not at all related to this theory.

 

[jjenny]

I can google until I am blue in the face, but as far as I can tell, this theory appears to be a complete speculation at this point. Also, one would think hospital should have realized a possibility of infection in a case like that and put the child on antibiotics.

 

[maureen718]

I read up on FGM after this was mentioned as her possible injuries. I can't imagine her being released from the hospital so soon afterward if this was the case because of infection and other possible complications, but I'm not in the medical profession, so what do I know. Could they have inflicted severe psychological damage to child in maybe something she heard and/or was just told since she was blindfolded? If physically maimed in some way would LE take her out in trying to find the location? Maybe she is just now telling all what she went through?

The way LE and the other athorities have reacted is very telling and troubling. Remembering the bullhorns.....and the troup of LE going door to door. It's truly terrorizing until LE finds them. :furious:

Yeah, I can't understand why she would have been taken home from the hospital or why the police would have taken her back to the park area if her injuries were so severe but I don't know if they really did tak her there or if that was just a media report.

 

[necco]

I just have to say... how the heck did this woman get into the school? We're less than 2 months from Newtown and a woman unknown to the administration in clothing that could hide just about anything was walking around an elementary school unescorted? No ID check? Illegible signature?

 

[necco]

Yeah, I can't understand why she would have been taken home from the hospital or why the police would have taken her back to the park area if her injuries were so severe but I don't know if they really did tak her there or if that was just a media report.

An infection can take days to develop. Maybe they gave the wrong antibiotics. Maybe she had a reaction to something they gave her.

And yes, we ARE speculating on the nature of the injuries. I've listed the reason I think it is a possibility.

 

[jjenny]

I just have to say... how the heck did this woman get into the school? We're less than 2 months from Newtown and a woman unknown to the administration in clothing that could hide just about anything was walking around an elementary school unescorted? No ID check? Illegible signature?

The school admits it didn't follow its own procedures.

 

[tlcya]

has there been any other news of searches in the neighborhood or people being questioned? Also has there been any other news outside the Fox story about dad purportedly failing a poly? TIA

 

[tlcya]

I can google until I am blue in the face, but as far as I can tell, this theory appears to be a complete speculation at this point. Also, one would think hospital should have realized a possibility of infection in a case like that and put the child on antibiotics.

theories are generally speculation so I agree with your statement BBM. It is one line of thinking being pursued.

as to antibiotics, we don't know what medications may or may not have been prescribed by the medical staff or what the reason is for her release or the reported subsequent return to the hospital or how long the second visit lasted.

 

[jjenny]

theories are generally speculation so I agree with your statement BBM. It is one line of thinking being pursued.

as to antibiotics, we don't know what medications may or may not have been prescribed by the medical staff or what the reason is for her release or the reported subsequent return to the hospital or how long the second visit lasted.

The way police has been talking about her possibly never returning to normal, I agree this speculation makes sense. If she was given some meds she could have had an allergic reaction.

 

[necco]

The school admits it didn't follow its own procedures.

Yeah, I know, it was just a general rhetorical question laced with disgust. A venting of disgust that this woman never should have gotten her hands on the child, let alone subject her to whatever she was subjected to while she was kidnapped. (I'm a former teacher and a CT resident, so school safety's been on my mind later.)

 

[maureen718]

We also don't know if she was released from the hospital or if her family thought it best to get her home once she was treated for her immediate injuries.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I just have to say... how the heck did this woman get into the school? We're less than 2 months from Newtown and a woman unknown to the administration in clothing that could hide just about anything was walking around an elementary school unescorted? No ID check? Illegible signature?

It is just a different world than Newtown, Ct. It just is. I grew up in the burbs but In the city, in their district it is just not the same security or anything. When My dd went to school in the city, Not inner city, Just NE philly. A nice neighborhood, I could walk in the school any time, past the office and stand right outside my childs class if I wanted to. No one stopped you or even asked why you were there. Now I know some things have changed but down there, not so much.

 

[necco]

It is just a different world than Newtown, Ct. It just is. I grew up in the burbs but In the city, in their district it is just not the same security or anything. When My dd went to school in the city, Not inner city, Just NE philly. A nice neighborhood, I could walk in the school any time, past the office and stand right outside my childs class if I wanted to. No one stopped you or even asked why you were there. Now I know some things have changed but down there, not so much.

Pirplegrl, but you were a student's mother and were probably recognized as such. Caregivers (teachers, day care workers, camp counselors) learn very quickly who normally picks up a child. They may not know your name, but they know if you belong or not.

 

[tlcya]

The way police has been talking about her possibly never returning to normal, I agree this speculation makes sense. If she was given some meds she could have had an allergic reaction.

I hadn't even thought about an allergic reaction. Good idea jjenny. That could indeed explain the alleged return to hospital after being released.

ETA I see necco had proposed the theory of allergic reaction too and I missed it.