GUILTY PA - Christina Regusters for kidnap, rape of 5yo girl, Philadelphia, 14 Jan 2013 - #2

[Yoda]

This is soooo bizarre. Is this because of the area mentality? The no snitch, myob?
I would think descriptions of the three perps, a location that could be down to the block, and the moral responsibility to protect/defend a small child would have this case solved lickity split. Jmo

 

[belimom]

I am searching for a link I *thought* I saw in a post. If my brain is operating correctly it said the FBI and US Marshals were involved. Did anyone else see this or was I on another planet? :ufo:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/philadelph...f8MoZ4m4e2kbixrq8NO5vlA&bvm=bv.41524429,d.eWU





Wow that is a huge link!?

I had noticed that also --- which I think means something very serious did in fact happen to poor little N. I can understand the FBI getting involved if a child is still missing or something happened across state lines, but - they just started to get involved *after* she was found. And then to bring the US Marshals (which always makes me think of Tommy Lee Jones)...:waitasec:

eta - Which makes me think of child pornography, or something just a heinous. Child rape is indeed awful and horrific - but are the FBI and US Marshals brought in for those cases? Unfortunately, it isn't rare, but we don't often see those two agencies on a case where a child was returned in less than 24 hrs, do we?

 

[jjenny]

bad wording by reporter in a rush to wrap up their story and post it before deadline :cow:

Does anyone else feel much like a dog chasing its own tail with this case??

Unless it's a direct quote with a name of a police source, I pretty much ignore it. When did police ever say this girl didn't have physical injuries? What they said is that she didn't have overt (which means easily seen) physical injuries.

 

[belimom]

[/B]The above quote is stating that the man was not initially inside the home but somewhere on the street and that he accompanied the woman to a nearby home. Also, it states that both perps dropped her off at the park. This can't be right, can it???

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...k-to-abductors-5-year-old-girl-188706081.html

Matou, thank you for posting that. I thought I was losing it b/c the other night I swear I saw that quote. But when I searched, all I found was that the victim and abductor met up with the man at a home a few blocks away. I wonder if this is just another case of bad reporting?

 

[belimom]

Weren't the FBI and US Marshals involved in Hailey Dunn's case? Or am I remembering that incorrectly? But the thing is - Hailey is still missing. N has been found. So this must be a huge investigation. I don't think these agencies would get involved in a case involving one child and two (or three) perps. I'm beginning to think that LE has info that this is much broader - or that the crime committed is the one we think it may be.

 

[cluciano63]

FBI and Marshalls often are involved in cases involving children, as additional resources. Some interview sex offenders, others provide various resources, computer specialists, etc.

 

[belleyes]

Thanks for the link Yoda! (I'm not crazy after all---just dizzy from the ride)

I was curious about the involvement of both the FBI and US Marshals. Things we know:
-The kidnapping did not cross state lines
-They became involved AFTER the recovery

Anyone have any theories on this?


US Marshals duties....interesting when applied to this case
http://www.usmarshals.gov/duties/index.html

 

[tlcya]

Is there anyone following this thread with a working knowledge of Law Enforcement inter-agency cooperation and how varied agencies come into the picture, what the criteria is, etc?

We all know the basics as far as FBI. They become involved when the crime crosses state lines or may have crossed state lines, etc. That makes it federal. We also know that sometimes they come on the scene when requested by local LE because they have greater resources to bring to bear.

I have never followed a case like this where U.S. Marshalls came into play. Are there criteria, are they invited, what brings them into a case?

TIA to anyone with information that can clear up my confusion on these questions.

ETA I see as I was typing the questions they were already being answered. Thanks

 

[Jules71]

Thanks for the link Yoda! (I'm not crazy after all---just dizzy from the ride)

I was curious about the involvement of both the FBI and US Marshals. Things we know:
-The kidnapping did not cross state lines
-They became involved AFTER the recovery

Anyone have any theories on this?


US Marshals duties....interesting when applied to this case
http://www.usmarshals.gov/duties/index.html

Interesting - from that link:

The Marshals Service provides for the security, health and safety of government witnesses — and their immediate dependents — whose lives are in danger as a result of their testimony against drug traffickers, terrorists, organized crime members and other major criminals.

I wonder if something like this could be the case. Seems like it could have been a threat or a message by the perps to this particular family.

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[Yoda]

Unless it's a direct quote with a name of a police source, I pretty much ignore it. When did police ever say this girl didn't have physical injuries? What they said is that she didn't have overt (which means easily seen) physical injuries.

I was wondering too about that, but it is a direct quote from the police commanding officer of the special victims unit John Darby. I found many msm links but here is msnbc-
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5046658...t/grandfather-abducted-girl-shes-traumatized/

It' possible that by overt he meant , besides the cut on her lip she looked fine. One article said she was going to the hospital to be examined for sexual assault. I am going to assume that when she was found they would not 'look' to see if anything was done to her and if she wasn't bleeding, etc they would wait until they got the the hospital.
I would be interested in an EMt's expertise on procedures if she appears fine. She also could have not told anyone or fibbed because of fear, etc.

 

[cluciano63]

I think it was in the Jessica R. Case where marshalls were used to interview local sex offenders, for example, even before she was found, I believe. And I know that FBI where I live gets involved in all sorts of cases, anything out of the ordinary or just when they need more manpower. I don't think too much should be read into their help right now.

 

[belimom]

Interesting - from that link:

The Marshals Service provides for the security, health and safety of government witnesses — and their immediate dependents — whose lives are in danger as a result of their testimony against drug traffickers, terrorists, organized crime members and other major criminals.

I wonder if something like this could be the case. Seems like it could have been a threat or a message by the perps to this particular family.

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I agree - someone targeting the family (which may be another reason little N is now at home: in addition to the trauma and the publicity, they may still fear for her safety).

But also fugitive operations. I think back to the FGM and the someone being brought in to do it, or moving around doing it. I'm waffle back and forth on that idea, from 'that must be it' to 'there's just no way'. But when I think of US Marshals, that's just the first thing I think of (yes, it goes back to Tommy Lee Jones again).

 

[belleyes]

I had noticed that also --- which I think means something very serious did in fact happen to poor little N. I can understand the FBI getting involved if a child is still missing or something happened across state lines, but - they just started to get involved *after* she was found. And then to bring the US Marshals (which always makes me think of Tommy Lee Jones)...:waitasec:

eta - Which makes me think of child pornography, or something just a heinous. Child rape is indeed awful and horrific - but are the FBI and US Marshals brought in for those cases? Unfortunately, it isn't rare, but we don't often see those two agencies on a case where a child was returned in less than 24 hrs, do we?

BBM: From my experience FBI and USMS are not typically involved in child rape. They are involved in child porn when it is an extensive across state lines case. The case I am familiar with involved Local LE busting a perp and then it was discovered the Feds where already investigating. The rape charges were prosecuted locally and the child porn was prosecuted federally. I have not *proof* but to me it seemed the USMS became involved when they international ties became apparent. Again, I have no proof. I can only express what I experienced.

 

[tlcya]

so perhaps the US Marshals are involved because of the area which is being focused on? It is said by locals to be a very rough, no snitch, drugs prevalent area. So perhaps their expertise in that field may be useful.

 

[Dr. Know?]

The US Marshals helped here a few years ago when a molester in a white pickup truck was approaching teen girls, one he had in his truck but she kicked and screamed until he kicked her out of the truck a few blocks later, one was assaulted, another turned out to be a false report. They assisted the local pd & caught him.

 

[belimom]

BBM: From my experience FBI and USMS are not typically involved in child rape. They are involved in child porn when it is an extensive across state lines case. The case I am familiar with involved Local LE busting a perp and then it was discovered the Feds where already investigating. The rape charges were prosecuted locally and the child porn was prosecuted federally. I have not *proof* but to me it seemed the USMS became involved when they international ties became apparent. Again, I have no proof. I can only express what I experienced. (and it was a rather trying time)

That's what I thought - about child pornography being distributed. I think they were involved in Hailey's case b/c of reported child porn found. And sorry for your trying time, whatever it was.

I think that unless charges are brought and this case goes to trial, we will never know what happened to N. I just hope justice is served for this little one someday.

 

[belleyes]

My first thoughts about USMS is back to either child porn, FGM (for threat of otherwise) or both. If you expand on the theory that someone was brought to the U.S. to perform this ritual, this would explain the USMS. (inter-continental)
"The agency also holds key positions at Interpol."- snipped from us marshals service.gov

 

[Yoda]

Interesting - from that link:

The Marshals Service provides for the security, health and safety of government witnesses — and their immediate dependents — whose lives are in danger as a result of their testimony against drug traffickers, terrorists, organized crime members and other major criminals.

I wonder if something like this could be the case. Seems like it could have been a threat or a message by the perps to this particular family.

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Disclaimer: my thoughts may be biased.
I think FBI and marshals were involved immediately because of the combination of the burqa and the brazen way she was abducted. Possibilities of quick involvement: could it be a terrorist act- the beginning of an attack on US children? Second, they become involved because of the potential bad foreign press in case media focused on extremist views of burqas, Muslims, etc. I have more possibilities but my daughter is texting me nonstop and I can't multitask. . FYI i don't have an issue if these are the reasons those agencies became involved. I understand that media and the way the US is viewed plays a major role in world dynamics. I am just glad they are there for whatever the reason. All jmo

 

[Dr. Know?]

Major Responsibilities of the U.S. Marshals Service

The U.S. Marshals Service is the nation’s oldest and most versatile federal law enforcement agency. Federal Marshals have served the country since 1789, oftentimes in unseen but critical ways. To this day, the Marshals occupy a uniquely central position in the federal justice system. It is the enforcement arm of the federal courts, and as such, it is involved in virtually every federal law enforcement initiative.
more at link

http://www.usmarshals.gov/duties/index.html

 

[katydid23]

My DS, who has his sights upon being a US Marshall someday, said that the Marshalls are often brought in to find someone in hiding. They are excellent at finding offenders in hiding. So perhaps LE has an idea who they are looking for and they brought in the marshalls to help track them down?