PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #1

[JurysOut]

I'll bet her guest has been speaking to family and police...but we would not be hearing about it. His name is "out there" as being the person who spent the night.

I wonder if the two dogs were making noise even before the people got home that night and then that was kind of the last straw? Or if they were used to being in the apartment alone together. The complaint/argument could have been a build-up kind of thing, if they kept partying hours all the time. But I tell you, all of this fussing and scrapping kinda goes against her so-called "flower child" persona.

That's what I thought about her clubbing that night. Didn't seem to fit the hipster/stoner vibe.

Lots of us are more than one thing, I suppose.

It does sound like KS is scuffle-prone, but I don't know the context.

I know I've never been involved in a public scuffle with or without LE involvement.

 

[cluciano63]

That's what I thought about her clubbing that night. Didn't seem to fit the hipster/stoner vibe.

Lots of us are more than one thing, I suppose.

It does sound like KS is scuffle-prone, but I don't know the context.

I know I've never been involved in a public scuffle with or without LE involvement.

Me either...and I lived in Los Angeles in my twenties, partied a lot, but never had the police called on me either. Or in any kind of public altercation, verbal or otherwise. Oh well...hoping everyone who knows something is coming forward and not trying to protect any image, etc...

 

[Knox]

Unfortunately, Chelsea is a crime muck writer and is not allowed on WS forum because she is not considered MSM, but rather is a blogger.

Muck writer is a very kind description.
Links to her site are not allowed here, might I add for a very good reason.
IMO, she throws things at the wall to see what sticks. Her stories in some cases, have been very hurtful to victim's and their families ...

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

There are several reported facts that paint a picture of a conflicted individual who was either seeking out or attracting confrontational situations. We assume excessive drinking, suspect drug use and know of the BF's recent legal troubles. Furthermore, angering your neighbors to the point of a yelling match that results in a police visit sounds to me like actions one might take if they knew they would not be seeing that neighbor again.

I'm not sure which direction she might have gone in terms of finality, but there is a distinct possibility based upon what is known that she disappeared herself. MOO

 

[JurysOut]

Muck writer is a very kind description.
Links to her site are not allowed here, might I add for a very good reason.
IMO, she throws things at the wall to see what sticks. Her stories in some cases, have been very hurtful to victim's and their families ...

Generous description, even.

Weekly World News stuff.

 

[JurysOut]

There are several reported facts that paint a picture of a conflicted individual who was either seeking out or attracting confrontational situations. We assume excessive drinking, suspect drug use and know of the BF's recent legal troubles. Furthermore, angering your neighbors to the point of a yelling match that results in a police visit sounds to me like actions one might take if they knew they would not be seeing that neighbor again.

I'm not sure which direction she might have gone in terms of finality, but there is a distinct possibility based upon what is known that she disappeared herself. MOO

I've had confrontational neighbors who simply enjoyed conflict. Do we know if this is an ongoing battle?

You may be right, but I have sincere doubt that KS took off on her own.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

Questions:

- How was KS's relationship with her patents?

- Why is the daughter of a relatively wealthy man living in that scary looking apartment?

- Her preppy clean-cut high school pics from MySpace differ greatly from her more current hippie girl phase. When did this transformation happen?

- when did she start running with the wrong crowd? Did BF introduce her to this lifestyle and alienate her from her family?

- I still find it too convenient that BF was locked down that night with an airtight alibi. Did she betray him in some way, and he arranged for her disappearance?

Just throwing some spaghetti.

 

[cluciano63]

The 20 minutes between the time 911 was called the 2nd time and the time they arrived, if correct, is certainly long enough for her to have been removed from the building. So perhaps by the time LE showed up, the people who called were satisfied now that it was quiet and the sleep-over friend had passed out, not knowing Kortne was gone.

 

[Labatt Blue]

Have been lurking, but thought I'd comment. On here we try to follow cases by searching for MSM/news articles on cases. But honestly there always seems to be discrepancies in what they report. It really bugs me. Sorry rant over.

MSM is all over the map on this one. It is really disturbing IMO.

 

[cluciano63]

IMO, the handling of this case is being affected by the fact that LE did not make contact on their 2nd visit. Even if they were not liable/required to do so, it still looks bad now that she is missing. So we are not going to hear much from them.

 

[JurysOut]

Questions:

- How was KS's relationship with her patents?

- Why is the daughter of a relatively wealthy man living in that scary looking apartment?

- Her preppy clean-cut high school pics from MySpace differ greatly from her more current hippie girl phase. When did this transformation happen?

- when did she start running with the wrong crowd? Did BF introduce her to this lifestyle and alienate her from her family?

- I still find it too convenient that BF was locked down that night with an airtight alibi. Did she betray him in some way, and he arranged for her disappearance?

Just throwing some spaghetti.

It's really not a scary area. It's simply a brick duplex that's been converted to apartments. It's scary dark at night, but overall, it's an OK place.

I don't think it's unusual for a 21 year old woman to want to live on her own and I don't think her parents are considered wealthy.

I've read nothing to indicate KS is alienated from her family. Her mother has indicated they speak frequently.

How many people try on different personas between high school and college? I know lots of them. It doesn't look to me like she became a pole dancer or street hooker. The majority of her modeling photos look like they were taken at a bridal fashion show.

I don't think it's a scary apartment

I don't think anyone around here considers the family to be especially wealthy

I don't think KS is in any way estranged from her family

I don't think her transition to a slightly different lifestyle is terribly unusual for a woman her age. I wanted to be Stevie Nicks, wore a lot of dark swirly skirts, hoop earrings and piano scarves.

All my opinion, of course. I don't know KS personally.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

Thanks JO. You look at this much differently than I do, but I find your posts to be very valuable and thought provoking.

 

[JurysOut]

The 20 minutes between the time 911 was called the 2nd time and the time they arrived, if correct, is certainly long enough for her to have been removed from the building. So perhaps by the time LE showed up, the people who called were satisfied now that it was quiet and the sleep-over friend had passed out, not knowing Kortne was gone.

I'm beginning to think that whatever happened, happened in those 20 minutes.

I'm betting the neighbor didn't announce they'd called 911.

It's even possible that badness was taking place while LE was outside.

 

[JurysOut]

Thanks JO. You look at this much differently than I do, but I find your posts to be very valuable and thought provoking.

Thanks.

I guess I do see it differently. I wonder if I'm getting defensive about KS.

Please feel free to call me on that.

 

[epiphany]

Questions:

- How was KS's relationship with her patents?

- Why is the daughter of a relatively wealthy man living in that scary looking apartment?

- Her preppy clean-cut high school pics from MySpace differ greatly from her more current hippie girl phase. When did this transformation happen?

- when did she start running with the wrong crowd? Did BF introduce her to this lifestyle and alienate her from her family?

- I still find it too convenient that BF was locked down that night with an airtight alibi. Did she betray him in some way, and he arranged for her disappearance?

Just throwing some spaghetti.

Her relationship with her parents appears to me to have been a good one, but they may not have been privy to everything in her life, nor IMO should they necessarily have been at age 21 and living on her own/with a partner.

I noticed her Mother did not arrive at her apartment until Monday (I think), though she was obviously concerned and tried to contact her on Sunday.

Had she arrived earlier, no doubt there would be speculation that K left on her own due to a helicopter or hovering Mother.

Yes. Young adults. They [young adults] "know" or "knew" of things that K's parents may not have. K is 21 yo. She's been legal age for 3 years. She no longer lived with her parents. The idea that young adults keep some behaviors and feelings private from even parents they are close to is not unusual in the least, IMO. Also, appears that she has several groups of friends.

She has been and is, simply a young adult finding her way. Path is not clear cut. Ways can be lost. Bad things can happen. Poor choices and mistakes may be made.

 

[JurysOut]

Her relationship with her parents appears to me to have been a good one, but they may not have been privy to everything in her life, nor IMO should they necessarily have been at age 21 and living on her own/with a partner.

I noticed her Mother did not arrive at her apartment until Monday (I think), though she was obviously concerned and tried to contact her on Sunday.

Had she arrived earlier, no doubt there would be speculation that K left on her own due to a helicopter or hovering Mother.

Yes. Young adults. They [young adults] "know" or "knew" of things that K's parents may not have. K is 21 yo. She's been legal age for 3 years. She no longer lived with her parents. The idea that young adults keep some behaviors and feelings private from even parents they are close to is not unusual in the least, IMO. Also, appears that she has several groups of friends.

She has been and is, simply a young adult finding her way. Path is not clear cut. Ways can be lost. Bad things can happen. Poor choices and mistakes may be made.

I agree.

I'm wondering how many times her family was in & out before the missing persons report was issued on 7.31. Was the BF's father also there to pick up the dog?

How many people were in & out of the apartment before police searched?

I really think if there'd been any obvious disturbance like torn up floorboards, LE might have gone with the missing persons bulletin a bit quicker. I think the family didn't notice anything amiss aside from the keys, phone & dogs.

JMO, pure conjecture.

 

[scorekeeper]

I don't think KS left on her own.

Even if she talked about leaving PA and going West (isn't that a dream of any young adult - leaving the hicktown they grew up in?) and if she did do this, she would have taken her phone, purse and her favorite personal items, not to mention a pair of flip flops. She probably would have texted, left a letter or a message on FB. But she didn't do any of this.

Nope, I don't think she left on her own

 

[epiphany]

I know we've linked it before, but appears to be more to this:

W. STOUFFER: ...And I think because her boyfriend was away, she thought she could hang out with him and have somebody to protect her and hang out with. A guy friend to hang out with.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/09/ijvm.01.html

 

[Knox]

I know we've linked it before, but appears to be more to this:

W. STOUFFER: ...And I think because her boyfriend was away, she thought she could hang out with him and have somebody to protect her and hang out with. A guy friend to hang out with.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/09/ijvm.01.html

I think someone else pointed this out earlier, we all scratched our heads. Protect her from what?

A creepy neighbor, someone who knew the BF was in jail and not at home? How far in advance was the "hangout" scheduled?

Yeesh this case is driving me nuts!!

 

[JurysOut]

I know we've linked it before, but appears to be more to this:

W. STOUFFER: ...And I think because her boyfriend was away, she thought she could hang out with him and have somebody to protect her and hang out with. A guy friend to hang out with.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/09/ijvm.01.html

" WENDY STOUFFER, MOTHER OF MISSING WOMAN: We were told that they were called to her house for a noise disturbance and that they had talked to Kortne and to the neighbors and that they were all told to go back into their apartments and leave each other alone. "

Neighbors, plural. The complainant is more than one person?

And sleepover guy lets 115 lb KS handle this neighborhood skirmish alone? Do we know that?