PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #3

[evergreen]

None of the neighbors said anything about the sleepover guy being angry or unruly...you would think they would have, if he too was acting up. The complaints seem to have been against Kortne. Not sure if that means anything, but anyway.

ETA: Also, if one wants to go with simplest answer, neither apartment answers when LE knocks=LE didn't knock.

yeah. they probably didn't knock. they had just been there. I am pretty sure they wouldn't knock on TS door. it was late and he was trying to get some sleep. in LE eyes this entire thing was a nuisance that could be solved by people just going to sleep. Assuming that LE knocked on TS door and him not answering is assuming something we just don't have all the facts to support.

 

[evergreen]

Agree that TS was fed up with activities that occurred in Kortne's apartment which negatively impacted him, etc. Agree also that these activities appear to have been a pattern.

It's the reason why I am questioning why TS did not answer his door when LE responded to his last phone call.

And IF, LE did not knock nor respond, it is difficult to imagine such an individual as TS would not simply make another phone call to ensure LE would speak to him.

first off where was it reported that they knocked on his door? can you provide a link?

 

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Lebanon County District Attorney David Arnold on Thursday said there were no new developments in the investigation, and wouldn’t discuss details of the night she disappeared. “I just don’t think talking about those things would be helpful. I think it would be more harmful than helpful,” he said.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/08/reward_grows_in_kortne_stouffe.html

This is from August 16

Wonder how the DA feels about the information released yesterday?

 

[nursebeeme]

PA PA-Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21,Palmyra, 29 July 2012 TIMELINE/MEDIA ONLY *NO DISCUSSION - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

bumping up link to timeline and media thread

 

[evergreen]

according to that thread the first timeline and the second timeline conflict about where the second call came from. also why does the first call have the name of LE responder, and the second call has "unknown" officer responding?

 

[JurysOut]

or maybe he is just being a smart and sensible adult to get legal representation, knowing how many innocent people are arrested and slandered simply because they decided to "cooperate". or do you think only guilty people can make use of legal representation? don't slander this fellow because he hired an attorney. please have more to go on than "hunches" beliefs feelings and psychic power. But it doesn't make a lot of sense for someone to call the police over to your apt area with a complaint, then commit a capital crime against the complainant a short time later.

I also agree with this. The 'evidence' some people are tried and convicted on is sometimes less than we have here.

That having been said, what would motivate TS to initially speak publicly saying he'd heard nothing that night when in fact both LE and the other neighbor witnessed a physical altercation between TS & KS? That makes absolutely no sense. The 4:12 call with zero follow up also makes no sense.


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[JurysOut]

first off where was it reported that they knocked on his door? can you provide a link?

It's unclear. All info came from the family initially. No LE have spoken publicly.

It's possible that the family assumed the officer knocked and that assumption was widely reported as fact.

Until we hear from LE, there is no answer.

I am of the school of thought that LE did a drive by, saw & heard nothing & kept going. That may be why the second officer's name has not been released.

Pure conjecture on my part, obviously.


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[evergreen]

I also agree with this. The 'evidence' some people are tried and convicted on is sometimes less than we have here.

That having been said, what would motivate TS to initially speak publicly saying he'd heard nothing that night when in fact both LE and the other neighbor witnessed a physical altercation between TS & KS? That makes absolutely no sense. The 4:12 call with zero follow up also makes no sense.


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interesting. just coming up to speed. did he speak to media right away? also why would he say he heard nothing if he was on record as making the two complaints to LE? did ts make one of the complaints, both, or neither? if he made at least one of the complaints to LE, there would be a record, and it would be silly to go to the media denying there was a physical confrontation.

 

[Annie1004]

according to that thread the first timeline and the second timeline conflict about where the second call came from. also why does the first call have the name of LE responder, and the second call has "unknown" officer responding?

The second officer's name is in the report I read in the beginning, so no surprise there.

 

[JurysOut]

:sigh: oh, she did; didn't she.......I'm sure he is besides himself. My heart breaks.

So we have CP with a documented MSM article as one of the last person to see Kortne (along with the local LE)

And now we have a questionable TS also as a possibility to being one of the last people to see Kortne

Could she have lit a cigarette and walked outside to "cool down/walk around the yard" and been abducted? This could have happened after the last call to LE and the landlord....perhaps someone in the building was waiting. This could have been her routine...

If CP went into Kortne's apartment with her after LE left at 3:45 - and it's been published that he did, by his own admission - then he is the LAST KNOWN person to have seen Kortne.


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[evergreen]

Some in the public demand full disclosure from those involved in the events of the morning leading up to Kortne's disappearance.

Even the neighbors who lived below Kortne came forward and spoke a day or two ago.

Not sure why this would apply to some and not others.

except that the constitution of the US allows (5th) for people to choose whether to "fully disclose" or not.

 

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interesting. just coming up to speed. did he speak to media right away? also why would he say he heard nothing if he was on record as making the two complaints to LE? did ts make one of the complaints, both, or neither? if he made at least one of the complaints to LE, there would be a record, and it would be silly to go to the media denying there was a physical confrontation.

from 8/2/12 article

No one answered the door at the apartment below Stouffer's.

TS, who owns the house adjoining Stouffer's apartment, said he did not know the young woman well and did not hear any disturbance on Sunday morning.

"I'm just praying that everything turns out all right," he said.

http://www.ldnews.com/ci_21212616?IADID=Search-www.ldnews.com-www.ldnews.com

now he has a lawyer........and he was part of the "disturbance" Sunday

Why lie???? Why not just say "no comment"

 

[JurysOut]

Unless TS was talking about the other party, where BF got busted, and the quote was mixed up in the article. He may have been trying to say he wasn't the one who called LE on them on Saturday, as he had not even heard anything.

He said he heard nothing that night.

I don't know how many people hear or read the statement 'heard nothing that night' and interpret it as anything other than the entire night, which I consider to be about 11:00 PM to about 5:00 AM.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe both the implication and inference of that phrase specifically bracket 'the night'.

ETA: TS said he heard nothing *that morning*, which further eliminates the possibility that he was referring to the previous evening or late afternoon.


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[evergreen]

The second officer's name is in the report I read in the beginning, so no surprise there.

should the timeline be updated with that information?

 

[scorekeeper]

The second officer's name is in the report I read in the beginning, so no surprise there.

Annie,

Can you provide link with second officer's name and "what report"??. I don't recall that post but then again....I do get confused!! LOL

TIA

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[evergreen]

from 8/2/12 article

No one answered the door at the apartment below Stouffer's.

Todd Saksek, who owns the house adjoining Stouffer's apartment, said he did not know the young woman well and did not hear any disturbance on Sunday morning.

"I'm just praying that everything turns out all right," he said.

http://www.ldnews.com/ci_21212616?IADID=Search-www.ldnews.com-www.ldnews.com

now he has a lawyer........and he was part of the "disturbance" Sunday

Why lie???? Why not just say "no comment"

thank you. so I wonder did the second call come from TS or the apt downstairs? As I understand it TS was the next door neighbor? Is it confirmed that the first call came from TS?

 

[JurysOut]

interesting. just coming up to speed. did he speak to media right away? also why would he say he heard nothing if he was on record as making the two complaints to LE? did ts make one of the complaints, both, or neither? if he made at least one of the complaints to LE, there would be a record, and it would be silly to go to the media denying there was a physical confrontation.

I see the quote has been posted above.

Your every question is pertinent.

What was the point in uttering a single phrase that was shredded by established fact before it left his lips?

It was a lie. Period. A volunteered lie.


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[JurysOut]

Feels like we're being productive today.

Such great people here. Logical thinkers who weigh every detail.

What we have, IMO, is two significant possibles.

Two possibles with enough missteps and incongruous statements or behaviors to put them on the top rung if the ladder of possibles.

However, there is still the car in play.

LE impounded KS's car from behind her apartment in what was likely her usual parking spot. Published photos pinpoint the location.

Did Kortne drive to The Gas Station or did she ride with someone else?

If she drove, how did her car get back to West Main Street?

If she got a ride, who was that?

And if she got a ride with someone who was at her now busted up party, why would LE impound her vehicle unless there was something of interest in or on it?

Either scenario has question marks attached to the car.


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[evergreen]

the 8/2 article linked above talks about TS as owning the house "adjoining" KS. But it also quotes an anonymous neighbor who is also quoted as being a "next door" neighbor as well? Does this correspond with what we know about the physical layout of the building?

 

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Plus, with all that was going on in the wee hours that morning, you would think that LE would have make a few trips 'round the block just to make sure all was quiet.

why just do one drive-by ? When do the shifts change?