PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #4

[cluciano63]

Her mom is posting about a community prayer night set for next Monday...it is so sickening that someone knows what happened to Kortne and can allow this heartbreak to continue.

 

[JurysOut]

Why can't they release the 911 calls? How far into the Casey/Caylee Anthony case did they release the calls? I remember hearing the grandmothers call to report Caylee missing pretty early on, no? I think I saw something about submitting a request for these? And why had Nancy Grace not jumped on this? Honestly, I don't know if it would help, but at least she has the resources to gain access and get people talking.

I know, right?! It's layers of weird.


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[Boots]

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Funny you should say that. I had a conversation this past weekend with some people that share your opinion of Lebanon County.


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Unfortunately, I've personally experienced it...

I just don't have a lot of 'trust' in Lebanon County, period. I really wish they'd bring someone else in to investigate Kortne's disappearance. FBI, specialized forensics...someone, anyone to assist.

 

[demonwarrior]

I mean no disrespect to Kortne or her family, just trying to play out some of the positive outcome situations in hopes that she is still safe wherever that may be.

 

[PalmyraDad]

Just wanted to share a few observations from Weather Underground about the night/early morning of 7/29 at 4 a.m.

Temp was about 70 and it was pretty muggy. Dewpoint was about 65, 84% humidity. Wind was out of the north about 5 mph. It was nearly full moon that night but there were scattered clouds.

Hopefully that helps set the scene for us a little better and get a clearer visualization of Kortne's surroundings that night. It helps me so I thought it may help someone else.

 

[parker38]

If that were the case, she'd need more drugs eventually IMO There'd be sightings, etc. She doesn't have a car anymore, so how would she of left the area to become 'unaware' of herself missing? She didn't text/call anyone for a ride at 4a.m. IMO or we'd know about the last person (I would hope). Hard telling though :banghead:

I also do not think it was the same officer the 2nd time that night or it would of been simply stated. IMO JMO MOO

I agree with your post and sadly I think you're right on the money.
The only way I would imagine this happening would be if she just
happened to be maybe Bipolar? Other than being in that kind of
distress; I can't see her walking away for any other reason.
In my opinion only, as I have read thru these posts, I think her reaction was a little too drastic. We probably would love to have it be another
run-away-bride incident, which did end in her coming back.
I don't think that's the case with Kortne though.

I think something happened before or during the last call.
She may have innocently gone outside to relax a bit and have
a cigarette and someone was out there and everything started up again.
This may be the only case where I haven't seen pics of the players to
see how they present themselves; or what there demeanor or look is. mmo
Nothing to analyse.

 

[Meems]

If that were the case, she'd need more drugs eventually IMO There'd be sightings, etc. She doesn't have a car anymore, so how would she of left the area to become 'unaware' of herself missing? She didn't text/call anyone for a ride at 4a.m. IMO or we'd know about the last person (I would hope). Hard telling though :banghead:

I also do not think it was the same officer the 2nd time that night or it would of been simply stated. IMO JMO MOO

I'm not stating this is the case .. I'm just saying that at least once a day I run this thought thru my head .. It sure beats the *other* thoughts that go thru my head regarding this case.

She certainly could have hopped into another car and left the area and no one knows if she texted or called anyone for a ride at 4 am .. as far as we know .. phone records have not been released. For that matter .. she may have had a "go phone" as well as her "regular" phone. She may have left everything behind because she didn't "own" it .. maybe her car and phone were in her parents name. Maybe she thought her BF was getting locked up for the rest of his sentence for breaking probation and she was going to jail for supplying alochol to minors so screw it ..

Of course if she was on drugs such as Oxy .. she would need more .. trust me when I tell you .. a "dealer" would be more than happy to continue her habit until she was able to "support" him .. by selling them (drugs) or herself for him.

Do I *think* this is what has happened? No .. I really don't .. BUT .. is it a remote possibility? .. sure .. why not? There is no supposed crime scene (that has been confirmed), no POI(s) (that has been confirmed), the PD has not asked for the publics help in searching ... Not even a presser to assure the public that their children are safe!

What gave the neighbors reason to "believe* that she "walked away" and possibly encountered trouble? Did they see her outside after police left and all the stomping? Did they hear her say something to the effect "I just can't take it anymore, I'm leaving"? We don't know because NO ONE IS TALKING!!! :maddening:

 

[StacyMarie83]

I'm not stating this is the case .. I'm just saying that at least once a day I run this thought thru my head .. It sure beats the *other* thoughts that go thru my head regarding this case.

She certainly could have hopped into another car and left the area and no one knows if she texted or called anyone for a ride at 4 am .. as far as we know .. phone records have not been released. For that matter .. she may have had a "go phone" as well as her "regular" phone. She may have left everything behind because she didn't "own" it .. maybe her car and phone were in her parents name. Maybe she thought her BF was getting locked up for the rest of his sentence for breaking probation and she was going to jail for supplying alochol to minors so screw it ..

Of course if she was on drugs such as Oxy .. she would need more .. trust me when I tell you .. a "dealer" would be more than happy to continue her habit until she was able to "support" him .. by selling them (drugs) or herself for him.

Do I *think* this is what has happened? No .. I really don't .. BUT .. is it a remote possibility? .. sure .. why not? There is no supposed crime scene (that has been confirmed), no POI(s) (that has been confirmed), the PD has not asked for the publics help in searching ... Not even a presser to assure the public that their children are safe!

What gave the neighbors reason to "believe* that she "walked away" and possibly encountered trouble? Did they see her outside after police left and all the stomping? Did they hear her say something to the effect "I just can't take it anymore, I'm leaving"? We don't know because NO ONE IS TALKING!!! :maddening:

I completely agree! I thought about all those things too and those are the answers I came up with! Just thinking out loud It's very frustrating not knowing ANYTHING!!! Even a little clue at this point would mean A LOT!

So true about a public presser---why should other young females feel safe right now, I wouldn't??? That's why LE's silence is very disturbing.....to say the least (very least)!

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder what advice Kortne's family is getting via their lawyer/contact person. Do they know about Klaas Kids or TES? From what I see from her mother, they are not being told anything regarding the investigation, so it is not as though they seem to be working closely with LE to maintain this silence.

 

[scorekeeper]

Kortne, where are you?

Please come home safe.

Fellow posters, please have a good evening!

 

[JurysOut]

I completely agree! I thought about all those things too and those are the answers I came up with! Just thinking out loud It's very frustrating not knowing ANYTHING!!! Even a little clue at this point would mean A LOT!

So true about a public presser---why should other young females feel safe right now, I wouldn't??? That's why LE's silence is very disturbing.....to say the least (very least)!

I have an 18 year old. She's fairly creeped out.


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[JurysOut]

I'm not stating this is the case .. I'm just saying that at least once a day I run this thought thru my head .. It sure beats the *other* thoughts that go thru my head regarding this case.

She certainly could have hopped into another car and left the area and no one knows if she texted or called anyone for a ride at 4 am .. as far as we know .. phone records have not been released. For that matter .. she may have had a "go phone" as well as her "regular" phone. She may have left everything behind because she didn't "own" it .. maybe her car and phone were in her parents name. Maybe she thought her BF was getting locked up for the rest of his sentence for breaking probation and she was going to jail for supplying alochol to minors so screw it ..

Of course if she was on drugs such as Oxy .. she would need more .. trust me when I tell you .. a "dealer" would be more than happy to continue her habit until she was able to "support" him .. by selling them (drugs) or herself for him.

Do I *think* this is what has happened? No .. I really don't .. BUT .. is it a remote possibility? .. sure .. why not? There is no supposed crime scene (that has been confirmed), no POI(s) (that has been confirmed), the PD has not asked for the publics help in searching ... Not even a presser to assure the public that their children are safe!

What gave the neighbors reason to "believe* that she "walked away" and possibly encountered trouble? Did they see her outside after police left and all the stomping? Did they hear her say something to the effect "I just can't take it anymore, I'm leaving"? We don't know because NO ONE IS TALKING!!! :maddening:

Actually, her family had Kortne's phone before she was declared a missing person and they say they went through all of her calls & texts.

If she walked away, I'll eat my pointy black hat. <|;-)


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[JurysOut]

I wonder what advice Kortne's family is getting via their lawyer/contact person. Do they know about Klaas Kids or TES? From what I see from her mother, they are not being told anything regarding the investigation, so it is not as though they seem to be working closely with LE to maintain this silence.

I messaged & emailed the family about TES a couple of weeks ago. I sent Tim Miller the info too.

This is just the kind of case that could really use TES's services. Lots of open space and woods and streams...

I do sound a little stalker-y there, don't I?


Just an arm-flailer, officer.


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[reedus23]

I haven't been part of WS long, but I have followed a few cases and actually went back and started reading other cases from thread one. One of the complaints that is almost universally voiced in all those cases is that LE isn't forthcoming enough with information. In my estimation, sometimes it's warranted. However, it's not unique to Kortne's case. Holly Bobo's case comes immediately to mind. Ultimately, especially in cases where there is little information being provided, the complaints turn into suspicion of coverups and involvement by LE. I would suspect such accusations turn out to be true .01% of the time.

Regarding the officer's name, I would want to know that information more to determine if LE negligently carried out their duties, not because I think they were involved in Kortne's disappearance.

My opinion also is no one is hiding that name. LE owes you, me, the public at large nothing in terms of information. It is an active investigation and they will release what they deem is appropriate when they deem it is appropriate. Their refusal to do so doesn't mean there is anything untoward in their actions. It only means I will continue beating my head against the computer wishing I had more information.

Regarding LE involvement in this case...I hope I'm not wrong but I just don't see it. A name not being disclosed doesn't equate to involvement. Just my opinion and I hope I am right because there is nothing scarier than those we trust with protecting our safety, violating that trust if I am wrong.

 

[cluciano63]

I haven't been part of WS long, but I have followed a few cases and actually went back and started reading other cases from thread one. One of the complaints that is almost universally voiced in all those cases is that LE isn't forthcoming enough with information. In my estimation, sometimes it's warranted. However, it's not unique to Kortne's case. Holly Bobo's case comes immediately to mind. Ultimately, especially in cases where there is little information being provided, the complaints turn into suspicion of coverups and involvement by LE. I would suspect such accusations turn out to be true .01% of the time.

Regarding the officer's name, I would want to know that information more to determine if LE negligently carried out their duties, not because I think they were involved in Kortne's disappearance.

My opinion also is no one is hiding that name. LE owes you, me, the public at large nothing in terms of information. It is an active investigation and they will release what they deem is appropriate when they deem it is appropriate. Their refusal to do so doesn't mean there is anything untoward in their actions. It only means I will continue beating my head against the computer wishing I had more information.

Regarding LE involvement in this case...I hope I'm not wrong but I just don't see it. A name not being disclosed doesn't equate to involvement. Just my opinion and I hope I am right because there is nothing scarier than those we trust with protecting our safety, violating that trust if I am wrong.

The only reason the officer's name (or lack thereof) came up was because the name of the officer who responded to earlier call was released. Just not that last call. So it made some eyebrows raise, that's all.

 

[JurysOut]

Cross post from BSL thread:

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[reedus23]

JMO - Lebanon county is as crooked as the day is long. Let's not forget about the unsolved murder of Peggy Reber.

Peggy Reber,14, killed 1968 in Lebanon, PA - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

I'm really not trying to be an idiot here, but are you asserting that LE kidnapped Kortne or are you just saying they're trying to cover their backsides (yes, I almost posted a different word here) for doing a poor job? I'm not familiar with Peggy's case, but if it's the assertion that dirty cops were involved in that case, I would be surprised if the same cops are working Kortne's case 44 years later.

 

[Meems]

Actually, her family had Kortne's phone before she was declared a missing person and they say they went through all of her calls & texts.

If she walked away, I'll eat my pointy black hat. <|;-)


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They did say they went thru her calls and texts .. and other than saying they knew she had an overnight guest .. they didn't make mention of any other calls or texts .. they may have been asked not to by either LE or their attorney.

 

[reedus23]

It's difficult at this point to *not* think of some sort of LE involvement. The fact that they were so involved with Kortne makes the lack of communication from LE even more suspicious, IMO.

So frickin WEIRD.


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Man, I must have missed something. I thought I was reading every post. I don't find it difficult at all to believe LE has nothing to do with Kortne's disappearance. That's not to say they shouldn't be questioned as to whether or not they are adequately carrying out their duties, but that is a far cry from saying they are involved with Kortne disappearing. If lack of communication from LE equated to involvement, LE would be the world's largest organized crime syndicate ever. If I'm missing something other than the fact that we would like a name but we don't know a name, let me know. TIA

Side note...I don't mean to sound brash, I'm really at a loss on where all of a sudden we are accusing LE and feel like either I missed something or there is something right in front of me that I'm not seeing.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

LE owes you, me, the public at large nothing in terms of information. It is an active investigation and they will release what they deem is appropriate when they deem it is appropriate.

To a certain extent, I agree with this. However, this is a very dangerous boiler plate stance to take. The citizens pay taxes so that the police can be paid and given the resources to protect and serve them. There is some accountability there. For the DA and police department to make zero public statements about this case and the progress being made or otherwise is completely unacceptable. The local media shares responsibility for not holding LE accountable. Is there a reason for that? Are they fearful of crossing the blue line? Sure looks that way from here.