PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #5

[LivingJuicy]

I'm not sure who is at fault here but one thing in CP's favor, IMO IMO IMO. I don't know anything about him nor if he is capable of murder but if LE was called at 3:12 a.m. and again at 4:12 a.m. and Kortne was last seen officially at 3:45 a.m. (I'm guessing by the police, responding to the first call.) CP would have to be very intent on raping, killing, attempting to initiate sexual activity, etc. for him to instigate this after the police just left.

I mean, what would the odds be of coming home with a friend drunk, getting into a fight with a neighbor/s and then being killed by your "friend" who came home with you after the police JUST left for an argument with the neighbor.

I'm trying to type what makes sense in my head but it's not working! Again, this doesn't make him innocent or not capable but in my opinion, it sort of lessens the possible finger pointing a bit.

 

[SnoopJohnB]

Another article with just a slight mention of Kortne. More interesting though is the comment posted on the article about Kortne's case.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/12/nancy_eshelman_for_2013_please.html

That comment is mine Super Sleuth. Of course, nothing.

I sent an email to the law firm representing the Stouffer's a while back. No response.

I also made some other inquiries with other people following up on some stuff. No response.

Nobody's talking and nobody seems to care.

 

[Meems]

Thanks for the effort Snoop .. this case is maddening to say the least!!!

 

[SnoopJohnB]

Thanks for the effort Snoop .. this case is maddening to say the least!!!

And as for my other post in that article, well, never post after you've had a few Mad Elfs (a VERY strong locally brewed holiday ale for you out-of-towners).

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

That comment is mine Super Sleuth. Of course, nothing.

I sent an email to the law firm representing the Stouffer's a while back. No response.

I also made some other inquiries with other people following up on some stuff. No response.

Nobody's talking and nobody seems to care.

I should have known Snoop! This case is beyond frustrating, why all the silence????

 

[Meems]

And as for my other post in that article, well, never post after you've had a few Mad Elfs (a VERY strong locally brewed holiday ale for you out-of-towners).

A FEW?? YIKERS .. 2 sips is enuff for me! In your opinion Snoop .. why the heck is everyone so quiet???

 

[SnoopJohnB]

I should have known Snoop! This case is beyond frustrating, why all the silence????

Yes, it is beyond frustrating! I haven't posted much lately because, well, there is nothing new and nobody's talking. We've been over everything. The only thing I'll say is that I keep hearing theories on this board that the silence means something, like LE knows something or the Stouffer's know something. I am absolutely convinced that nobody knows anything. LE is completely stumped and nobody has any idea what happened. That's my opinion.

Oh, and somebody on this board recently said that KS had a flat tire on her car. I never heard that before and that didn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

[Meems]

I believe IIRC Kortne's brother gave a very early interview on WINK 104 and stated that Kortne had called him that afternoon and wanted to go out b/c she had a bad day .. I believe he also stated that she said she had gotten a flat tire and she would fill him in on the rest of it (her day) later ...

Anyone else remember this??? I heard the tail end of the interview and I can't totally recall all of it ..

 

[LivingJuicy]

I believe IIRC Kortne's brother gave a very early interview on WINK 104 and stated that Kortne had called him that afternoon and wanted to go out b/c she had a bad day .. I believe he also stated that she said she had gotten a flat tire and she would fill him in on the rest of it (her day) later ...

Anyone else remember this??? I heard the tail end of the interview and I can't totally recall all of it ..

Yes, this is correct.

 

[cluciano63]

I too believe that the silence is one of lack of info, not the opposite. If this were the case, would the same be assumed in the cases of Holly, Lauren, Katelyn, and others whose families have not spoken out much in recent months? I think that families do not know what to do in these cases-who does? LE doesn't appear to know either. Most of the missing persons cases seem to descend into silence after an initial flurry.

Lauren's parents are vocal online, they are convinced that certain people have information and/or guilt regarding Lauren. In her case, LE did at least call those people POI's. I am not sure if anyone was ever named a POI in Kortne's case, certainly not in Holly's. I guess my point is that the silence from Kortne's family may well be one of frustration at NOT having any facts or leads.

 

[SnoopJohnB]

A FEW?? YIKERS .. 2 sips is enuff for me! In your opinion Snoop .. why the heck is everyone so quiet???

This is just my opinion and speculation, of course.

LE is quiet for a few reasons. 1. They don't look very good in this deal at all and they know it. The less they draw attention to it, the better for them. 2. They don't have anything. 3. Nobody is pressuring them into saying anything so they don't.

As far as the local press being quiet. We are not talking about publications that have crack investigative journalists here. Despite Harrisburg being the state capitol, for those that are not from this area, the mid-Penn area is more rural than you might guess. If LE says "No, we're not going to answer that", the press is done and accepts it. They don't have the chops to keep the heat on.

The Stouffer's law firm never said a word ever after the first week. I doubt this is even on their radar anymore and I'd be shocked, absolutely shocked if they hired private investigators to look into it.

I see no conspiracy in the silence. It's old news and out of sight, out of mind for most. Look for anniversary stories once a year or so that provide no new information.

 

[SnoopJohnB]

I believe IIRC Kortne's brother gave a very early interview on WINK 104 and stated that Kortne had called him that afternoon and wanted to go out b/c she had a bad day .. I believe he also stated that she said she had gotten a flat tire and she would fill him in on the rest of it (her day) later ...

Anyone else remember this??? I heard the tail end of the interview and I can't totally recall all of it ..

Ah, OK. She reportedly drove her car to the GS Pub, so she must have goten it fixed somehow. Talk about having a bad day!

 

[Meems]

Ah, OK. She reportedly drove her car to the GS Pub, so she must have goten it fixed somehow. Talk about having a bad day!

Heres where my confusion has always come in .. It was reported that her car was at A "Gas Station" .. Pub? or Service Center? Did she drop her car off at a Gas Station Service Center and the mechanic later drop it off at her house after the flat was fixed? Or was it fixed and driven to the Gas Station Pub?

How did her car get back to her home? Did they pick it up after they dropped off MR? If that is the case then why ddn't they pick up her car first so CP didn't need MR's car to take her home?

WHY is the local rumor mill so quiet??? Nothing on topix .. Not much anywhere

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder if any of the people compiling these year-end stories asked for interviews, either of the Stouffer family or LE?

 

[Meems]

I wonder if any of the people compiling these year-end stories asked for interviews, either of the Stouffer family or LE?

Not this particular one on PennLive ... she is only interested in posting her opinions and not asking (or hearing) anyone elses ..

 

[PBJ2585]

Wow! Good job!

I just think there's more to it than no one is talking! Maybe not, but it feels like no one wants to dig too deep- cops, family, friends, neighbors etc. That happens when people don't want facts or information to come to light. Or is it that no one really cares and wants to move on? No doubt her mom was really hurting and everyone handles grief in a different way.. Mickey Shunick's twin did most of the speaking for that family and was amazing but not everyone is going to have someone that can handle the pressure, the stress, the publicity etc.

MO, MO, MO.. I don't think the cops really care. I think they care more about making it go away that they perhaps did not do enough, if anything, during that last visit.

I don't know CP at all and he's obviously no angel judging from his criminal history but from the tidbits I get about him and the written statements he makes, he seems to be an immature loser rather than a killer. However, he had plenty of opportunity and people change when they drink. MO, MO! I still go back and forth between him, a neighbor or a "friend" she argued with out a drug debt etc.

Random violence happens all the time even when it seems unlikely. Mickey Shunick's abduction was random as well as countless other examples. There was a case years ago where a girl from my high school traveled from Maryland to Charlottesville, VA to meet her mom for some Saturday shopping. She was abducted and killed at around 10:00 in the morning near Charlottesville by a man who was signaling females to pull over and acting like they had car trouble. Completely random as was Morgan Harrington's abduction and murder. It happens and it is possible!

People leave and suicide happens as well. Both are possible but more unlikely I think. MO!

That comment is mine Super Sleuth. Of course, nothing.

I sent an email to the law firm representing the Stouffer's a while back. No response.

I also made some other inquiries with other people following up on some stuff. No response.

Nobody's talking and nobody seems to care.

 

[SnoopJohnB]

Heres where my confusion has always come in .. It was reported that her car was at A "Gas Station" .. Pub? or Service Center? Did she drop her car off at a Gas Station Service Center and the mechanic later drop it off at her house after the flat was fixed? Or was it fixed and driven to the Gas Station Pub?

How did her car get back to her home? Did they pick it up after they dropped off MR? If that is the case then why ddn't they pick up her car first so CP didn't need MR's car to take her home?

Yes, I read somewhere that KS drove to the "gas station" instead of the Gas Station Pub as well. When you're really paying attention, you realize just how sloppy most reporting really is. Problem is, it's hard to tell sometimes if it's shoddy reporting or if they've left a hole in the reporting.

Like, did KS and "others" leave MR's place, or was that just a reporting error? We don't know. But mostly I think it was probably a careless reporting error. We'll probably never know how KS's car got back to her place. I'm not sure that it's an extremely important piece of information, but does it does leave a hole in the narrative.

The Overtime Sports Bar is in Hershey, not in Grantville as someone stated a few pages ago.

 

[SnoopJohnB]

I believe IIRC Kortne's brother gave a very early interview on WINK 104 and stated that Kortne had called him that afternoon and wanted to go out b/c she had a bad day .. I believe he also stated that she said she had gotten a flat tire and she would fill him in on the rest of it (her day) later ...

Anyone else remember this??? I heard the tail end of the interview and I can't totally recall all of it ..

This flat tire remark by LivingJuicy seems like an offhand remark about what might constitute a bad day:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #2

Are you sure this isn't where the whole flat tire thing originated?

 

[Meems]

Yes, I read somewhere that KS drove to the "gas station" instead of the Gas Station Pub as well. When you're really paying attention, you realize just how sloppy most reporting really is. Problem is, it's hard to tell sometimes if it's shoddy reporting or if they've left a hole in the reporting.

Like, did KS and "others" leave MR's place, or was that just a reporting error? We don't know. But mostly I think it was probably a careless reporting error. We'll probably never know how KS's car got back to her place. I'm not sure that it's an extremely important piece of information, but does it does leave a hole in the narrative.

The Overtime Sports Bar is in Hershey, not in Grantville as someone stated a few pages ago.

Yea .. MSM sucks nowdays for sure .. be first to report no matter at what costs .. Look at the latest Newtown debacle .. They identified the wrong shooter putting mass undue stress on the brother (which in my opinon has a MASSIVE lawsuit against MSM should he choose to pursue it) as well as stating the mother worked at the school .. what the heck? If this continues .. there really should be a hard look at "freedom of speech" and reporters should not get a free pass.

Yes, that person was telling me that the place they were speaking of was a Benefit for Kortne at a bar in Grantville and NOT the one that was hosted at Overtime Sports Bar.

 

[Meems]

Wow! Good job!

I just think there's more to it than no one is talking! Maybe not, but it feels like no one wants to dig too deep- cops, family, friends, neighbors etc. That happens when people don't want facts or information to come to light. Or is it that no one really cares and wants to move on? No doubt her mom was really hurting and everyone handles grief in a different way.. Mickey Shunick's twin did most of the speaking for that family and was amazing but not everyone is going to have someone that can handle the pressure, the stress, the publicity etc.

MO, MO, MO.. I don't think the cops really care. I think they care more about making it go away that they perhaps did not do enough, if anything, during that last visit.

I don't know CP at all and he's obviously no angel judging from his criminal history but from the tidbits I get about him and the written statements he makes, he seems to be an immature loser rather than a killer. However, he had plenty of opportunity and people change when they drink. MO, MO! I still go back and forth between him, a neighbor or a "friend" she argued with out a drug debt etc.

Random violence happens all the time even when it seems unlikely. Mickey Shunick's abduction was random as well as countless other examples. There was a case years ago where a girl from my high school traveled from Maryland to Charlottesville, VA to meet her mom for some Saturday shopping. She was abducted and killed at around 10:00 in the morning near Charlottesville by a man who was signaling females to pull over and acting like they had car trouble. Completely random as was Morgan Harrington's abduction and murder. It happens and it is possible!

People leave and suicide happens as well. Both are possible but more unlikely I think. MO!

I have never ruled out the possibility of a drug overdose and cover up as well .. only real reason for the cover up IMO would be if the particular drug could possibly pin point the supplier .. Special K and horses comes to mind .. however .. it could very well be that CP and KS left that night after the first LE call and her (alleged) stomping fit .. and she OD'd elsewhere .. then a cover up took place.

I really wonder why the 911 calls have not been released .. I did read it rumored in a comment section that "someone who heard" the 911 call alleges that the caller stated there was screaming as well as stomping .. NO WHERE did I read it reported by MSM however. If this was the case .. why not release the tape and put pressure on the perp? Why are the search warrants sealed? What did they find that warrants such secrecy?