PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #5

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  • #661
It's interesting what the power of media and journalism can do. Again, I'm not sure of who harmed Kortne (and I say harmed because unfortunately, I do not believe Kortne is still with us,) but after looking around online today, I read more stuff from a site that cannot be linked but sort of refreshed my memory. Lots of rumors and local speculation but a few things stood out to me. I wish those dang anonymous posters who claim to be in the know, would come here!!

I think it's interesting if true:

That MR didn't show up for work the following day.
That MR's baby's mama was blasting him on FB for not coming home that night but once it was revealed that Kortne was missing, the posts were deleted.
That CP did tell people he didn't know where she was but also told a few people that he did engage in ahem - activity with her.
That AB (the alledged male at the club whom Kortne supposedly fought with and his gf) possily was with MR & CP and all 3 could be involved.

Which led me to thought of .. what if AB was directly involved and involved CP and MR to help ? And the secrecy is fear of punishment or them being killed?

Pretty outlandish but just thinking today about Kortne..
 
  • #662
This flat tire remark by LivingJuicy seems like an offhand remark about what might constitute a bad day:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - PA PA - Kortne Ciera Stouffer, 21, Palmyra, 29 July 2012 - #2

Are you sure this isn't where the whole flat tire thing originated?

No .. Not from where I am coming from .. I am sure (90%)I remember RS's interview he mentioned the flat tire. There have never been any links to that interview.

Here is an MSM article with the basic comments of RS but leaving out the flat tire remark
-snipped The Monday after police visited Kortne’s apartment, Ryan Stouffer, 23, called his dad saying he had a feeling “something was not right.” Kortne had called Saturday, saying she had had “a rough day and needed to unwind,” and asked if he wanted to go out. -snipped-
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/08/anne_reeves_missing_womans_dad.html

Also in RS's WINK interview he said there was a fight on the steps with her neighbor when she got home. Which that info was not released for a long time later.

Also - On WS .. Jersey*Girl made a post that she remembered reading it in comments of an MSM article too. Post #873 on 8-22-12
 
  • #663
It's interesting what the power of media and journalism can do. Again, I'm not sure of who harmed Kortne (and I say harmed because unfortunately, I do not believe Kortne is still with us,) but after looking around online today, I read more stuff from a site that cannot be linked but sort of refreshed my memory. Lots of rumors and local speculation but a few things stood out to me. I wish those dang anonymous posters who claim to be in the know, would come here!!

I think it's interesting if true:

That MR didn't show up for work the following day.
That MR's baby's mama was blasting him on FB for not coming home that night but once it was revealed that Kortne was missing, the posts were deleted.
That CP did tell people he didn't know where she was but also told a few people that he did engage in ahem - activity with her.
That AB (the alledged male at the club whom Kortne supposedly fought with and his gf) possily was with MR & CP and all 3 could be involved.

Which led me to thought of .. what if AB was directly involved and involved CP and MR to help ? And the secrecy is fear of punishment or them being killed?

Pretty outlandish but just thinking today about Kortne..

Guess anything is a possibility ....
 
  • #664
To LivingJuicy:

Just my opinion, but I tied the anonymous poster you're talking about to a PennLive poster. His comments have since been removed from PennLive. He spewed utter nonsense over and over about this case from the start. The guy is certainly a whack job and I wouldn't believe a single word he says about anything. He's not right in the head, in my opinion.
 
  • #665
To LivingJuicy:

Just my opinion, but I tied the anonymous poster you're talking about to a PennLive poster. His comments have since been removed from PennLive. He spewed utter nonsense over and over about this case from the start. The guy is certainly a whack job and I wouldn't believe a single word he says about anything. He's not right in the head, in my opinion.

Thanks!

There were several anonymous people/posters so it was hard to sort out who is who/and which is who/what/when/where/why, etc.

I know, crime and unfortunate events really bring out the whackos for sure.

I would love for someone in Kortne's family to come here.
 
  • #666
Agreed!

An overdose and cover up is possible as well as the three guys being involved. First I have heard about MR not making it home or making it to work. Interesting! I thought MR lived with his parents. Does his baby momma live there as well... So much info we don't know!



QUOTE=Meems;8682747]Guess anything is a possibility ....[/QUOTE]
 
  • #667
To LivingJuicy:

Just my opinion, but I tied the anonymous poster you're talking about to a PennLive poster. His comments have since been removed from PennLive. He spewed utter nonsense over and over about this case from the start. The guy is certainly a whack job and I wouldn't believe a single word he says about anything. He's not right in the head, in my opinion.

I can't speak as to the anon's mental state however, BS, (MR's gf) did make those comments on facebook and her settings have been made private since Kortnes disappearance.

The comments regarding CP "doing the nasty" with KS .. that was in the comment section on a CH article.

Maybe the same poster?? maybe ...
 
  • #668
Agreed!

An overdose and cover up is possible as well as the three guys being involved. First I have heard about MR not making it home or making it to work. Interesting! I thought MR lived with his parents. Does his baby momma live there as well... So much info we don't know!



QUOTE=Meems;8682747]Guess anything is a possibility ....
[/QUOTE]

I don't know the above to be facts at all. You know how people just claim to be in the know? That's pretty much it but still interesting to read and speculate about.

MR does live with his parents. Baby mama doesn't live with them as far as I know.
 
  • #669

I don't know the above to be facts at all. You know how people just claim to be in the know? That's pretty much it but still interesting to read and speculate about.

MR does live with his parents. Baby mama doesn't live with them as far as I know.[/QUOTE]

Might explain why he didn't "come home" then if he didn't go to his GF's house .. He was dropped off at his (parents) home around 2:00 pm .. I believe LE has confirmed this .. right??
 
  • #670
I don't know the above to be facts at all. You know how people just claim to be in the know? That's pretty much it but still interesting to read and speculate about.

MR does live with his parents. Baby mama doesn't live with them as far as I know.

Might explain why he didn't "come home" then if he didn't go to his GF's house .. He was dropped off at his (parents) home around 2:00 pm .. I believe LE has confirmed this .. right??[/QUOTE]

I submitted that info to the tips line a long time ago out of concern that maybe it had been missed by LE, and the answer I got back was that the info submitted was not necessarily fact. And yes, it was confirmed that MR was home around 2:00 PM.
 
  • #671
The comments regarding CP "doing the nasty" with KS .. that was in the comment section on a CH article.

Maybe the same poster?? maybe ...

That's the guy we're talking about.
 
  • #672
I submitted that info to the tips line a long time ago out of concern that maybe it had been missed by LE, and the answer I got back was that the info submitted was not necessarily fact.

Well, there you go. This same guy has it on "good authority" that KS was sold into white slavery at one point. Then it was something else the next day, and so on. And each time it was a "fact"!
 
  • #673
Well, there you go. This same guy has it on "good authority" that KS was sold into white slavery at one point. Then it was something else the next day, and so on. And each time it was a "fact"!

Snoop, I am beyond curious as to how you tied an anonymous poster to a Penn live poster, impressive!
 
  • #674
It's interesting what the power of media and journalism can do. Again, I'm not sure of who harmed Kortne (and I say harmed because unfortunately, I do not believe Kortne is still with us,) but after looking around online today, I read more stuff from a site that cannot be linked but sort of refreshed my memory. Lots of rumors and local speculation but a few things stood out to me. I wish those dang anonymous posters who claim to be in the know, would come here!!

I think it's interesting if true:

That MR didn't show up for work the following day.
That MR's baby's mama was blasting him on FB for not coming home that night but once it was revealed that Kortne was missing, the posts were deleted.
That CP did tell people he didn't know where she was but also told a few people that he did engage in ahem - activity with her.
That AB (the alledged male at the club whom Kortne supposedly fought with and his gf) possily was with MR & CP and all 3 could be involved.

Which led me to thought of .. what if AB was directly involved and involved CP and MR to help ? And the secrecy is fear of punishment or them being killed?

Pretty outlandish but just thinking today about Kortne..

LivingJuicy, I don't think that this theory is outlandish at all. Even though it's just a guess based on anonymous posters, in my opinion, this may be the most likely scenario. I recall the same anonymous posts that you're referring to, and they seemed authentic somehow. There were some typos, and they included odd bits of detail, like the gf's deleted posts, that you wouldn't be inclined to make up if you wanted to post bs information just for kicks (or to deliberately mislead an investigation). I believe all of the above may have already been reported to LE by the poster, but I'm not sure about this.

Police have certainly focused on MR for some reason, since they've interviewed him 5 times, and searched his house and car. Somehow they put together probable cause to get the warrants. Presumably, he's consented to the interviews without an attorney. Hard to imagine an attorney letting a client be interviewed 5 times whether they're a suspect or not. Either he isn't that bright, or he's comfortable being interviewed because he's overly confident they have nothing on him, he had no involvement at all in her disappearance, or he didn't take an active role / doesn't have any of the key info about what actually happened. Also, KS's dad has stated that she argued with someone that she owed money to at the bar, and I believe the previous posters had named AB as this person. Plus some people have pointed out that KS and/or her bf may have reported a theft of a money counter, backpack, and playstation. No way of knowing what (if anything) was in the backpack, but a money counting machine is a clear red flag for drug activity (and at a level where counting bills by hand is too much trouble). I haven't seen any newspaper articles on this, but if we can confirm this, it supports earlier posts alleging that there had been two break-ins at the apartment where drugs and/or money were taken. This could be the cause of a large debt, or someone taking matters into their own hands to recoup money or drugs that were owed. Not outlandish to think that persons related to the earlier break-ins confronted KS that night or dropped by her apt (maybe with the collusion of CP & MR).

Recently, people have also pointed out that in MR's statements to the press, he said that he said that when he was dropped off, KS was with "others" in the car. We have no idea who that could be beyond CP, but it's telling that he didn't describe the other people in anyway. One of KS's friends has also made statements to the press that KS was with four male "acquaintances" after leaving the bar, and she didn't look happy. It seems there are 1-2 unidentified males who were with her that night. Oddly, I don't think the descriptions of the altercations with her neighbors reported anyone else being there, other than CP. No way of knowing if the person she fought with could be one of these people, or if he later re-joined them or if he came home with them to try to collect the debt or resolve it somehow.

Now, I am wondering if KS may have gotten the feeling that she was being set up, and made some excuse to step outside her apt. for a second to try to escape, leaving her shoes and cellphone so they wouldn't expect her of running. I find it very disconcerting that MR, CP, and AB are alleged to be friends. Simple rumor of course, but it deserves scrutiny since KS has been missing for months and there are some strange aspects to MR & CP's statements (CP's claim that KS vanished while he was asleep, his CYA text from the local store, MR's statement that KS fought with someone's gf, and he didn't know know if KS knew her [vs. SS's statement that KS argued with a guy that she owed money to]).

As as the flat tire, what if someone slashed her tires (something a criminal might do if they were mad about being owed money), or let out the air in her tires? Could be simple revenge, or a way of ensuring that she would ask someone for a ride, or be stuck at her apt. Unlikely, but I think that Kortne's call to her brother (which includes the flat tire reference) is notable since it's one of the few statements we have from reliable person.

Also, thanks to the posters who have recently questioned whether KS was at the apartment at all for the last police "visit." Leaving before the police show up is never a bad idea if you're worried about getting in trouble. Could be that CP (and any unidentified males) were able to convince KS to leave the apartment at this point.
 
  • #675
Snoop, I am beyond curious as to how you tied an anonymous poster to a Penn live poster, impressive!

It was/is his writing style. I studied his posts. They are very distinctive. It wasn't too hard.

I think I can tie you to a post or two as well. Different people have different writing styles.
 
  • #676
Snoop, I am beyond curious as to how you tied an anonymous poster to a Penn live poster, impressive!

Blood & Snoop, I thought there was a disturbing and/or misleading quality to those posts. There were "bath salts" references by the same person. Given my own recent posts, I don't want to cast stones about someone posting out-of-box theories, but I don't see any logical connection between bath salts and KS. I found an earlier post, likely by the same person, about a different unsolved PA case from years ago that also struck me as odd.
 
  • #677
Blood & Snoop, I thought there was a disturbing and/or misleading quality to those posts. There were "bath salts" references by the same person. Given my own recent posts, I don't want to cast stones about someone posting out-of-box theories, but I don't see any logical connection between bath salts and KS. I found an earlier post, likely by the same person, about a different unsolved PA case from years ago that also struck me as odd.

Everyone here sympathizes with the agony that the Stouffer's are going through. And then imagine the wackos that come out of the woodwork wanting to "help" and you have to deal with that on top of everything else.

At one point, this guy posted his email address on PennLive because he wanted another guy to contact him. Then one day, I was thinking, you know, I ought to talk to this guy and see if he really knows anything at all or if he is completely crazy. So I went to get his email address and every post he ever made was gone. PL wiped out his account.
 
  • #678
:drink:
And as for my other post in that article, well, never post after you've had a few Mad Elfs (a VERY strong locally brewed holiday ale for you out-of-towners).

:drink: mad elf! :great:
 
  • #679
It was/is his writing style. I studied his posts. They are very distinctive. It wasn't too hard.

I think I can tie you to a post or two as well. Different people have different writing styles.

That's very interesting and impressive. I have only posted once on an article, so who knows, you could have identified it!
 
  • #680
Everyone here sympathizes with the agony that the Stouffer's are going through. And then imagine the wackos that come out of the woodwork wanting to "help" and you have to deal with that on top of everything else.

At one point, this guy posted his email address on PennLive because he wanted another guy to contact him. Then one day, I was thinking, you know, I ought to talk to this guy and see if he really knows anything at all or if he is completely crazy. So I went to get his email address and every post he ever made was gone. PL wiped out his account.

Couldn't agree more. We are talking about the same person. While I'm a big Civil Liberties person, I'm not sold on anonymous posting and whether it's a great thing (especially for victim's families).

However, I think that he's only responsible for the "white slavery", "bath salts", and the sleazy CP claims. I'd guess he's a 30-something male. It's my guess that the other posts, that LivingJuicy referenced (and I also referred to) about MR's gf's Facebook messages 7 their deletion (which I think someone on this board just confirmed), and MR, CP, and AB all knowing each other, are by someone else. Younger woman most likely. The styles are too different, but both are local. These seemed more credible to me.

Last post for me for tonight. I read through the last series of posts and just wanted to clear up what I was saying, having realized mine may have been a little confusing.
 
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