Parents Fake Religion to Avoid Vaccines

[SeriouslySearching]

Are you talking about Reye syndrome? That is related to taking asprin when you have an illness like chickenpox... that's why kids aren't supposed to take asprin.

Reye's syndrome is quite serious and here is the link in case people are not aware:
http://www.reyessyndrome.org/

 

[JBean]

I will try to adhere, but can't promise it. LOL And, of course, I will take it in the spirit as which it is given.

:blowkiss:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Love ya, JBean! No worries.

This is a passionate thing for me. I believe in getting to the bottom of finding out all the secrets our government has involving vaccinations. I think they are hiding so much. This is near and dear to my heart. Strange, because it always has been. Something tipped off my hinky meter 20 plus years ago and now I am finding more n more to support why it bothered me before.

 

[JBean]

Love ya, JBean! No worries.

This is a passionate thing for me. I believe in getting to the bottom of finding out all the secrets our government has involving vaccinations. I think they are hiding so much. This is near and dear to my heart. Strange, because it always has been. Something tipped off my hinky meter 20 plus years ago and now I am finding more n more to support why it bothered me before.

Even though I am on the opposite side of the fence, I have learned a lot from many of you in this thread. thanks.

 

[t93]

I'm expecting to deliver my 3rd son in the next 3 weeks, so this debate has intrigued me. As a child I knew a few mentally challenged people, but I also knew of many Polio survivors. I remember the fear of Polio,and the braces, iron lungs, etc. I have a Bipolar 18 year old child. This is a possible side effect from a bad reaction to anti labor drugs administered when I was carrying him with some genetic correlation on my ex's side. Should I have needed them this pregnancy, I still would have taken the anti labor drugs, because the side effects from premature birth are much worse than the Bipolar outcome. I do not know if it is as clear cut, the immunization and autism debate, as the anti labor drugs/no drugs debate. I guess at this time I am leaning towards immunization, but I also intend to nurse this child into toddlerhood. My middle child was, and he is seldom sick, very smart, and a healthy weight. I guess I am saying I am not sure which way to go, but I have also seen so many people hurt by these diseases we are immmunized from.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Even though I am on the opposite side of the fence, I have learned a lot from many of you in this thread. thanks.

No Problem...However...someday I hope you will remember our conversations here. Could be enlightening. : )

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Should I have needed them this pregnancy, I still would have taken the anti labor drugs, because the side effects from premature birth are much worse than the Bipolar outcome.

I am a parent of a premature birth from 27 weeks gestational age. I know the ramifications from such. As difficult at is it for me to relive the months in my heart...I can only tell you that I would prefer it to having a Bipolar child the rest of her life. She has been on the Dean's Honor Roll for a huge college her entire time and we spent two years seeing her "born". To maybe live a lifetime with the disadvantage of being bipolar...I would not change a thing we had to do or go through. I am quite confident she would agree.

 

[Mira]

not sure how to feel about this issue. i can see both sides from a personal view. my biological mother didnt get my shots at all when i was a baby. when i was 5 and my auntie got custody, we started the series of shots amongst a bunch of other things that hadnt been done. (at this point i was already autistic, physically and emotionally damaged) 3 of the shots made me very sick, at separate times. i spent one summer basically in bed.

my auntie felt very frustrated about this, and guilty, but she had no real choice at the time. i bet she would have lied about a religious reason to spare me the pain and bewilderment of being sick nearly all of 2 years. (part of this was getting bones broken and reset, it wasnt all from the vaccines)

on the other hand, i still have very low immunities. i wear a surgical mask to the doctor, because i get every bug that im exposed to. but hey, i probably wont get mumps, since the 3way shot gave me mumps...and measles, and swelled my leg so bad that the skin tore, and i have scarring from that.

all my cousins had all their shots, and none had the trouble i had. if i had children, im not sure what i would do. would they be genetically predisposed to my lack of immunities? if so, would the shots be as bad for them as for me? who knows...i dont.

 

[t93]

I am a parent of a premature birth from 27 weeks gestational age. I know the ramifications from such. As difficult at is it for me to relive the months in my heart...I can only tell you that I would prefer it to having a Bipolar child the rest of her life. She has been on the Dean's Honor Roll for a huge college her entire time and we spent two years seeing her "born". To maybe live a lifetime with the disadvantage of being bipolar...I would not change a thing we had to do or go through. I am quite confident she would agree.

I'm sorry, no offense was intended to anyone with a premature baby-I was trying not to be wordy and omitted the part where I didn't want a dead baby instead, since I was having real labor with him at 14-16 weeks, much too early for a preemie to survive 18 years ago. I was not referring to the struggles one has when a baby is slightly older. I would always rather have my live child than he have never lived.

 

[southcitymom]

When I got the chicken pox is 7th grade, I intentionally scratched them off so I would have scars. I guess I looked at them as battle scars or something. lol

When I was young, if my Mom heard someone had chicken pox, she would rush me and my sister over to their house to expose us! It was hilarious - we both got them around age 6. No biggee for either of us - then or now.

 

[JBean]

No Problem...However...someday I hope you will remember our conversations here. Could be enlightening. : )

I agree, it could be enlightening.
I do understand where many of you are coming from. As I have mentioned a million times, one of my boys is epileptic. I had to go through several doctors to find one that would support my decision to not medicate him as a toddler. I knew I did not want to go with mainstream medicine at the time, but wanted the support of an MD. I found one of the top doctors in pediatric neurology and he supported me 100%. But 3 others and my own pediatrician thought I was a loon.

 

[reb]

I remember having measles or chicken pox when I was around 3 or 4.. I have a couple scars on my face (tiny, I can see them but other's wouldn't notice).. my mom doesn't remember that I had it, or which one it was...

 

[Glow]

I'm expecting to deliver my 3rd son in the next 3 weeks, so this debate has intrigued me. As a child I knew a few mentally challenged people, but I also knew of many Polio survivors. I remember the fear of Polio,and the braces, iron lungs, etc. I have a Bipolar 18 year old child. This is a possible side effect from a bad reaction to anti labor drugs administered when I was carrying him with some genetic correlation on my ex's side. Should I have needed them this pregnancy, I still would have taken the anti labor drugs, because the side effects from premature birth are much worse than the Bipolar outcome. I do not know if it is as clear cut, the immunization and autism debate, as the anti labor drugs/no drugs debate. I guess at this time I am leaning towards immunization, but I also intend to nurse this child into toddlerhood. My middle child was, and he is seldom sick, very smart, and a healthy weight. I guess I am saying I am not sure which way to go, but I have also seen so many people hurt by these diseases we are immmunized from.

Congratulations on your upcoming new addition t93!

I applaud your decision to nurse your baby. In today's society nursing is still struggling to make a comeback. It just doestn fit with most peoples life style so most babies are only nursed briefly if at all. Next to talking good care of yourself while you are pregnant, nursing your baby is the SINGLE most important thing you can do to promote long term health in your child. As a matter of fact you will be "vaccinating" your baby through the colostrum (precursor of breast milk) which is a proven effective immune system booster.

I wont comment on the vaccine issue too much and the reason is because the society we live in today makes immunization almost a given. If women were able to be home with their newborns, nursing them, that would be ideal speaking just from the point of view of the infant. That is just not feasible for most families today. The moms get a brief leave of absence and then nursing or not the baby goes into daycare. Putting lots of orally fixated little ones all in a room to chew and drool on shared toys is NOT a good idea unless they are all vaccinated against the heavy duty diseases. That is the whole thinking behind giving the Hep vaccine on the first day of life. Hepatitis is becoming epidemic today. In Miami (Fla.) alone the rate of hepatitis soars with the rates of illegal immigrants. The majority of those moms show up ready to give birth with no prenatal care and leave the hospital and dont follow up with pediatric care. This same scenario is also true of crack moms and other categories that are not the mainstream woman giving birth. Because the few hours after birth may be the ONLY time a health care provider may see that baby until it shows up sick in an E.R. it became the protocol to vaccinate babies right at or hours after birth.

Even though that is the "protocol" there is no reason that you have to follow it. If you live in an inner city and have a large contingent of illegal immigrants in your family or neighborhood and your child is going to be sharing an environment with them (ie; daycare) then you should get the Hep vac. If you live in suburbia and the family in your home is hepatitis free, you are nursing your infant and daycare will be in the home, then you dont even fit the parameters that the "protocol" was set up for. You have choices in that case. You can talk to your pediatrician and defer the Hep vac a little while w/o compromising your baby's health. There is nothing wrong with giving your baby's liver time to break down all the extra red blood cells and to let his/her immune system absorb all the immunoglobulins provided in the breast milk.

I have four children and two grandchildren and yes they are all vaccinated. But not with every vaccination that has been thrown on the market and not on the timetables that were standard practice at any given time. I reviewed the vaccines, and chose which ones and at what ages at which my children would receive them.

Like I mentioned, I just want to stand up and clap for you for the breastfeeding thing t93! Good for you!

 

[Details]

Breastfeeding is great, and if you need any tips (or a used breast pump - a good one), let me know. It takes a fair bit more work when you are working, but it can be managed. We had some problems (she was a little premature, but a bit of patience made it work.

 

[justche]

There's a lot of things I don't like a California - but i LOVE the fact we have philosophical exemptions for vaccinations. My soon to be 4 year old hasn't had a single vaccination shot - and has only been to the doc for well visits - but we've stopped that now.

It should be a personal choice on vaccinations - I had a fantastic doctor when my daughter was a newborn - he was pro-vaccination, but determined that I had done my homework - told me the one I should consider was tetanus, and never brought it up again. He said "well you're obviously doing something right with her development so just keep doing that."

It's not something I discuss with everyone - but am happy to do so when the subject arises.

(My daughter also doesn't associate the doctor as a bad guy another plus)

IF you have children impacted by Autism, or CP specifically - I would really urge you to check out hyperbaric oxygen therapy treatment - there are clinics all over the world, and they ARE seeing results from this, regardless of how the issues occur. It could mean the difference of a lifetime of drugs and long term care, and a life eventually of living on one's own....fantastic stuff that I would be happy to discuss off list with anyone.

 

[t93]

Breastfeeding is great, and if you need any tips (or a used breast pump - a good one), let me know. It takes a fair bit more work when you are working, but it can be managed. We had some problems (she was a little premature, but a bit of patience made it work.

Thanks! I bought a hospital grade pump because our son is suspected to have Downs, although nothing can be confirmed until his birth because I refused an amnio. He could be a tiny bit early too so I may need tips.

 

[pedinurse]

I'm expecting to deliver my 3rd son in the next 3 weeks, so this debate has intrigued me. As a child I knew a few mentally challenged people, but I also knew of many Polio survivors. I remember the fear of Polio,and the braces, iron lungs, etc. I have a Bipolar 18 year old child. This is a possible side effect from a bad reaction to anti labor drugs administered when I was carrying him with some genetic correlation on my ex's side. Should I have needed them this pregnancy, I still would have taken the anti labor drugs, because the side effects from premature birth are much worse than the Bipolar outcome. I do not know if it is as clear cut, the immunization and autism debate, as the anti labor drugs/no drugs debate. I guess at this time I am leaning towards immunization, but I also intend to nurse this child into toddlerhood. My middle child was, and he is seldom sick, very smart, and a healthy weight. I guess I am saying I am not sure which way to go, but I have also seen so many people hurt by these diseases we are immmunized from.

I have never heard of bipolar being a "side effect" of "anti labor" drugs? can you expand on this?

Just curious on what drugs you're referring to and where I can see this information. I don't know that I even brought it up (probably wasn't actively posting), but with my son last year, I was hospitalized for preterm labor, then was sent home on strict bedrest until 35 weeks! He's perfectly fine... carried him to 39 weeks, and he was 9lbs, 14oz (HUGE)! Very smart, healthy and happy. Calmest, most laid back baby ever!

Never heard of this bipolar stuff...

Now, on the breastfeeding stuff.. I loved nursing my son! I wanted to nurse my son into toddlerhood too, and when I told some people that, they would give me the crazy eyes (my husband included at first!). But it didn't work out for me. He self weaned at about one year with me going to work and school... especially when he started eating bigger meals with the family. But I liked nursing. It was our only quiet time together in our busy lives!! I have no problem with moms breastfeeding past a year into toddlerhood, and the AAP says that as long as it is beneficial for mom and baby, it should be encouraged. There's some literature out there that says that breastmilk loses its nutritional benefits at about 4 years!! So you know, in countries where there is famine and stuff... you'd think that maybe the families need that! Anyway, breastmilk is amazing stuff... while it isn't appropriate to breastfeed a kindergartener, I think that moms and babies should be encouraged, even if the baby is over 12 months and they want to, to continue that if it is right for them (socially, probably not to four years, but you get my drift!!).

 

[close_enough]

We've had reoccurence of whooping cough around here.

I think it's a shame if innocent children get sick, and possibly die, because their parents have listened to "hocus pocus", still not justified by research; or just plain neglect to get the shots.

i think so also, Martha
when i was pregnant in 1984/85, it was a big 'issue' goin about in regards to vaccinations....i knew a lady i worked with, didn't have her children vaccinated...the DPT/polio & stuff like that...tried her damndest to scare me about it all...it had been 10 yrs since my first son was born, & no big deal about the shots in 75...(none that i knew about anyway).....anyway, when it came time for immunizations, he got them also

i've understand both sides of the 'story'/scare, but i'm so glad all my boys had their immunizations...

ETA....they have a vaccine for meninghitis (sp?) now...(had never heard of it till i took my youngest son (15) for a physical last month)..his last full physical was 2005..

 

[t93]

I have never heard of bipolar being a "side effect" of "anti labor" drugs? can you expand on this?

Just curious on what drugs you're referring to and where I can see this information. I don't know that I even brought it up (probably wasn't actively posting), but with my son last year, I was hospitalized for preterm labor, then was sent home on strict bedrest until 35 weeks! He's perfectly fine... carried him to 39 weeks, and he was 9lbs, 14oz (HUGE)! Very smart, healthy and happy. Calmest, most laid back baby ever!

Never heard of this bipolar stuff...

Okay, here is the thing, and why I try to be very vague on this. I was first introduced to the possibility 13 years ago at a very well regarded hospital/university when my son first started showing signs of abnormal behavior-however there HAS to be a genetic predisposition, and my ex's family does have the recessive gene. I try not to discuss it too much because I do not want people avoiding the drugs-it is still mostly a theory bantered around by some medical professionals. I would take it again as opposed to losing a child. And I also had a severe allergic reaction to them being IV'd , so that is also a factor. So there are only a few studies out there, and I only knew about the connection from hints by some researchers, no one will come right out and tell me this is from it, they do not want to encourage a lawsuit:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/6914.php
http://www.terbutalineclassaction.com/html/faq.html

 

[Marthatex]

i think so also, Martha
when i was pregnant in 1984/85, it was a big 'issue' goin about in regards to vaccinations....i knew a lady i worked with, didn't have her children vaccinated...the DPT/polio & stuff like that...tried her damndest to scare me about it all...it had been 10 yrs since my first son was born, & no big deal about the shots in 75...(none that i knew about anyway).....anyway, when it came time for immunizations, he got them also

i've understand both sides of the 'story'/scare, but i'm so glad all my boys had their immunizations...

ETA....they have a vaccine for meninghitis (sp?) now...(had never heard of it till i took my youngest son (15) for a physical last month)..his last full physical was 2005..

Yes, they recommend it now for college age students, especially who live in dorms and "close quarters". My son got it; (the shot),there have been some terrible deaths here from meningitis. It kills quickly.