Patsy Ramsey

[Mama2JML]

What's the original source for the important meeting in ATL?

 

[elannia]

KK I just want to say you make some very interesting points

 

[DeeDee249]

I hope you cut and pasted that from one of the other 100 times you've patiently detailed it in a post.


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Actually, I don't. I have a Mac and cut & paste isn't as easy as it is on a PC. I write it out from the start each and every time. No problem- I don't mind. I figure if anyone is tired of re-reading it they can just scroll on down.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Actually, I don't. I have a Mac and cut & paste isn't as easy as it is on a PC. I write it out from the start each and every time. No problem- I don't mind. I figure if anyone is tired of re-reading it they can just scroll on down.

Would you like me to keep a copy for you?
Just trying to make your life easier!!! I appreciate the time you spend so carefully explaining it each and every time it comes up


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[DeeDee249]

Would you like me to keep a copy for you?
Just trying to make your life easier!!! I appreciate the time you spend so carefully explaining it each and every time it comes up


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It's burned into my brain at this point!

 

[gramcracker]

What's the original source for the important meeting in ATL?

JR - after JB was discovered he was overheard on the phone telling his pilot that they would indeed be flying out shortly; upon hearing this, LE told him that he could not leave and his response was that he had an important meeting scheduled back east

 

[redheadedgal]

It's burned into my brain at this point!

i added a tag to the thread so it's easier to search for your post for a possible next time !

 

[redheadedgal]

Do you recall whether or not Kolar mentions fibers collected from the victim's pubic region/panties being consistent with those from JR's wool sweater? I'm not sure, I'll skim through in a bit, but I don't think this is evidence Kolar mentions.

The original source is a police interview that has been disputed, but not confirmed by a reliable source. AFAIK, IIRC. So, this evidence probably doesn't really exist. JMHO.

you discussed this at another forum in 2012 with many other RDI posters from this thread... and answers were given there. you don't remember?

 

[Linda7NJ]

you discussed this at another forum in 2012 with many other RDI posters from this thread... and answers were given there. you don't remember?

Was I there?
Because I don't remember! lol


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[redheadedgal]

Was I there?
Because I don't remember! lol

i don't remember. i just recall certain things have been brought up over and over again... on several sites... even after answers were found ::bangs head::

 

[Frigga]

you discussed this at another forum in 2012 with many other RDI posters from this thread... and answers were given there. you don't remember?

Hey Linda- I'm pretty sure Red was referring to Mama in her post.

 

[redheadedgal]

plus, a simple search of this forum would give an answer

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-really-killed-JonBenet&p=8998149#post8998149

 

[Mama2JML]

you discussed this at another forum in 2012 with many other RDI posters from this thread... and answers were given there. you don't remember?

No, it doesn't ring a bell...

 

[Anti-K]

BBM- I agree. It's a little easier to explain your 6 year old daughter dead in the basement with a ransom note then it is with nothing. Surely the R's would be questioned about it and they couldn't just shrug their shoulders as to what happened. imo

Throw her down the stairs, than say you found her lying there – dead – when you got up the next morning. Say that she must have gotten up in the middle of the night to snack on a bit of pineapple, and d*mn those spiral stairs, anyway!

Don’t call the police, don’t create any self-incriminating evidence, don’t sexually assault her at or near point of death and don’t garrote her. Throw her down the stairs, wait til morning, call an ambulance or take her – dead – directly to the hospital. Call your lawyers. Get outta Dodge.
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[Anti-K]

I don't think she was worried about the damage of the body as opposed to actually having the body in the first place.

Something to consider: From the RDI perspective, it doesn't make a difference whether JB was found inside the house or in their yard. The body being found any significant proximity to their residence would have been suspicious.

For this Ransom note to work, the Ramseys have to take a major step here. They have to:

1. Be willing to lose JonBenet's body forever and have no funeral. For a religious person, not giving a proper funeral is a very serious matter.

2. Have to drive to a far away location and come up with a way to dispose of her body (i.e. burial, drop her in the water, cut her up into pieces, etc)

3. You have to make sure that the police, neighbors and etc are not alerted to what is occurring while this disposal is occuring. What are Burke & Patsy, going to do in the meantime? What is the cover story if John is away? Why is he away while the kidnappers are expected to make a call.


What i am getting at is that from the RDI's perspective, the disposal of JonBenet's body is not an easy task. Mostly because it requires a plan first before it can be done. Hell, finding the right location to dispose of her is a task in and of itself.

I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they left her body was because their original disposal plan hit a snag.

Let’s just say that there was a magic force field around the house that night. Now, the Ramseys have a dead body and no way out of the house. They need an explanation. For what? For a dead body in the house. Do kidnappings explain dead bodies in the house? No.

If the Ramseys could not dispose of the body than they would have needed to come up with a way to explain a dead body in the house.

As far as I know, the normal response is to fake an accident. And, if this death was by accident than maybe all they would have needed to do was twist the truth about that accident. Or, they could have faked an attack by an intruder by staging an obvious break-in, leaving the child in a state of undress, perhaps posed, leave her in her bed, or move her and say you found her wherever. Say you heard a sound and came running and found her...

Lie, lawyer up and get outta Dodge.
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[Anti-K]

I can't recall specifically if Kolar addresses it I have a hard copy.
I'm not at home to check. Perhaps someone with kindle can?




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Kolar does not address these fibers in his book, and I don’t recall him addressing them in any of his appearances that I’ve seen or heard or read about. I may have missed a few.
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[Anti-K]

while the damage was horrendous, JB's face was not disfigured to the point of ruling out an open casket. which I think was extremely important to PR: one last public display of the child she spent much time/money/effort displaying in life. the choice of an open casket could not be guaranteed if JB was disposed of outdoors. in addition to the ticking of the decomp clock, she would have been at the mercy of predatory animals. IMO the thought of wildlife tearing at her daughter's body was where PR drew the line



the time constraint came directly from the Rs. it was the thread running through the sequence of recent events as they recounted them. it was the reason JR *thought* he could fly away 30 minutes after JB was discovered (although "an important meeting" in ATL was not mentioned in their claimed timeline). it was the reason PR was under so much pressure, packing for four people with two destinations (after agreeing to a side trip she didn't want to make)

explaining that they would not be arriving in MI as expected was among the least of their problems

We are discussing whether or not the Ramseys could have delayed calling 911. The time constraint referred to is deadlined by their expected arrival at the airport.

The deadline is false and projected upon them by some RDI. The Ramseys only needed to notify the pilot and family by certain times, and these could have been last minute calls. They could have simply canceled and said they’d explain later. Later, they tell them Jonbenet was kidnapped.

The only other deadline would have been when to call the police, and, this too would have been under their control. The ransom note could have demanded that they wait 24 hours for a call. That would have given the Ramseys 24 hours to dispose of the body because they wouldn’t need to call the police until after expiration of the expected call time.
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[Zzzz]

JR - after JB was discovered he was overheard on the phone telling his pilot that they would indeed be flying out shortly; upon hearing this, LE told him that he could not leave and his response was that he had an important meeting scheduled back east

Can you imagine immediately leaving town for an "important meeting" when your child is lying brutally battered and bashed in the morgue? No, these people did not act rationally - which is exactly why the ridiculous ransom note and the crime scene are so nonsensical. This forum tries to make sense of all the bizarre evidence over and over. But it is impossible.

 

[Anti-K]

plus, a simple search of this forum would give an answer

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-really-killed-JonBenet&p=8998149#post8998149

I just searched through the link you provided, and nothing there answers the question: did Kolar mention the fibers from Mr Ramsey’s shirt.

These fibers are controversial, and may not even exist. It doesn’t seem that anyone associated with the case (other than Levin) has ever mentioned them. Levin, because he was acting in an investigatory capacity, was legally free to make false and/or misleading claims. Levin’s claim was challenged, and he refused (understandably, perhaps) to meet that challenge, and no one has come along to substantiate his claim.

So, some of us have doubts. And, no RDI forum or poster, or person associated with the case, has to-date satisfied those doubts.
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AK

 

[Venom]

Throw her down the stairs, than say you found her lying there – dead – when you got up the next morning. Say that she must have gotten up in the middle of the night to snack on a bit of pineapple, and d*mn those spiral stairs, anyway!

Don’t call the police, don’t create any self-incriminating evidence, don’t sexually assault her at or near point of death and don’t garrote her. Throw her down the stairs, wait til morning, call an ambulance or take her – dead – directly to the hospital. Call your lawyers. Get outta Dodge.




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AK

Let me clarify. With the sexual assault and strangulation already done, obviously they'd have had to explain how that happened. Throwing her down the stairs wouldn't explain that all away. The self incriminating evidence very well might have been already there. They did try to get out of Dodge, just a little too late. IMO only.