People being detained and "exported" by ICE #2

[Linda7NJ]

That had to be heartbreaking for you and the children. I admire you for taking the children into your loving care. I'm sure that was great risk to you and your family.

No risk at all actually. I fostered through a private agency and only very very few people knew where they were.
It was devastating. I still think of them often

 

[Simply Southern]

Apples and oranges. VML's mother's lawyer says that the note demanding VML go with her mother was suspicious and seemed to be written out of duress.

We don't even know if the mother wanted this.

Then father should have gone to the detention center and picked up his child. He couldn't because he is an illegal immigrant as well.

Why didn't he go with his family? He wants to stay in the country illegally and try to proxy his child off on a relative. This is going nowhere.

I wonder if he's contacted the mother or the attorney, since she has returned to her home country and ask her why she took the child, or how they are doing, or offered financial support? I wonder if the mother has contacted the father?

Can't blame the US. They came here illegally. They have a child and made no provisions in case of deportation.

 

[SouthAussie]

He couldn't because he is an illegal immigrant as well.

How do you know that? Is there a link?

The mother was detained when she (properly) went for her regular immigration check-in.

The judge is suss about the note. This woman likely came to the US for a better life, she may well have wanted her US child to remain in the US to have that better life. These people do not go to the US because life is peachy for them in Honduras.

“The Government contends that this is all okay because the mother wishes that the child be deported with her,” Doughty wrote. “But the Court doesn’t know that.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/25/us-citizen-deportation-donald-trump-00311631

imo

 

[SouthAussie]

The child's father could have come forward to seek her custody. He did not.

" ...... the child’s father was frantically petitioning the courts to keep her in the country."

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/25/us-citizen-deportation-donald-trump-00311631

 

[SouthAussie]

The Fourteenth Amendment

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-14/

 

[Seni]

I fostered two very young AMERICAN BORN children of illegal alien criminal Colombian drug dealers - both parents were in prison and the children were 3 states away for their own protection.
I had to fight to get them their documents and establish they were American citizens.
When mom was released from prison she was deported. She demanded her children be returned to her.
I had to put them on a plane to Colombia to be picked up by a nun and delivered to her. Nuns because it was such a dangerous trip and no one else would do it.
It was tragic because I didn’t speak Spanish and they learned to speak English perfectly but forgot Spanish - their mom would call from prison and could only speak Spanish - they would spend the whole call just saying “I love you” to each other.
It was 1995
I’m still not over it.

There is nothing new going on.

Our Laws are being enforced

Hi Linda,

Welcome your gesture of taking these children in.

They would be under the protection of Bienestar Familiar whether or not they also obtained US nationality (I suspect they didnt as you as temporary foster mother, did not have legal custody of these children, correct me if I am wrong)

Colombian authorities do not permit minors to travel without notarised parental consent by both parents, failing that it would have to be consent from Bienestar or legal representative, also notarised including info and identification of the person authorised to receive the children and their destination.

I have lived in Colombia for many, many years, know the immigration laws (even had an unjustified and unpleasant brush with them, it is a corrupt nation that will milk you for every cent).

But, tough on child trafficking.

Have the most organised and controlled child adoption programme for all of Latin America.

This began after the mudslide disaster in Armero that left so many orphans.

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Reiterate thanks for helping these little ones. I imagine you have some feedback about them

 

[SouthAussie]

"A federal judge ordered a Venezuelan couple, accused by the Trump administration of being members of the Tren de Aragua gang, to be released, delivering a stinging rebuke of the government's evidence in the case.

Julio Cesar Sanchez-Puentes and Luddis Norelia Sanchez-García .... were granted Temporary Protected Status in 2024, according to court documents.

Briones accused the government of declaring they were members of the gang “without providing this Court with a single piece of meaningful evidence.” "

Judge eviscerates government evidence, releases migrants accused of being TdA

abcnews.go.com

 

[Linda7NJ]

Hi Linda,

Welcome your gesture of taking these children in.

They would be under the protection of Bienestar Familiar whether or not they also obtained US nationality (I suspect they didnt as you as temporary foster mother, did not have legal custody of these children, correct me if I am wrong)

Colombian authorities do not permit minors to travel without notarised parental consent by both parents, failing that it would have to be consent from Bienestar or legal representative, also notarised including info and identification of the person authorised to receive the children and their destination.

I have lived in Colombia for many, many years, know the immigration laws (even had an unjustified and unpleasant brush with them, it is a corrupt nation that will milk you for every cent).

But, tough on child trafficking.

Have the most organised and controlled child adoption programme for all of Latin America.

This began after the mudslide disaster in Armero that left so many orphans.

BTW its ColOmbia.

Reiterate thanks for helping these little ones. I imagine you have some feedback about them

Their mother called and let me speak to them a few times and I called them a few times then the number no longer worked and I lost all contact.

 

[Seni]

What region? If you want to find them send me the names and NUIC number by DM and will see what I do.

 

[Simply Southern]

How do you know that? Is there a link?

The mother was detained when she (properly) went for her regular immigration check-in.

The judge is suss about the note. This woman likely came to the US for a better life, she may well have wanted her US child to remain in the US to have that better life. These people do not go to the US because life is peachy for them in Honduras.

“The Government contends that this is all okay because the mother wishes that the child be deported with her,” Doughty wrote. “But the Court doesn’t know that.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/25/us-citizen-deportation-donald-trump-00311631

imo

He was here illegally, he was trying to have his daughter released into a family members custody.
He doesn't want to be deported. I'm assuming he doesn't want to be with and take care of his family.

Are you saying you think the child should have been left in the United States? She would have been placed in state custody until the family member could be vetted. The judge is not going to allow a child to be placed with a non-custodial parent without a strict vetting process. We have laws. Can you imagine what kind of trauma that would be for a 2 year old?

Judge questions ICE over reported removal of U.S. toddler ‘with no meaningful process’

The 2-year-old, born in Baton Rouge, was taken into custody during her mother’s appointment for an ICE program, family lawyers say.

www.msnbc.com

Attorneys for the family had filed a petition Thursday seeking the toddler’s immediate release by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to a custodian appointed by her father. They said immigration officers took into custody the toddler — who was born in Baton Rouge — her 11-year-old sister and her mother during a routine check-in with the “Intensive Supervision Appearance Program” on April 22.


The next morning, when an attorney for the father spoke with ICE New Orleans Field Director Melissa Harper on the phone, she “began interrogating the attorney as to V.M.L.’s father’s immigration status,” the petition said. Harper told the attorney that ICE would not release the toddler because she “was already with her mother” and that “the father could try to pick her up, but that he would also be taken into custody,” according to the family’s attorney.

 

[SouthAussie]

Moment cops arrest hundreds of illegal migrants at Colorado nightclub

Hundreds of illegal migrants were arrested early Sunday morning after cops raided a nightclub in Colorado Springs.

www.dailymail.co.uk

A total of 114 illegal migrants were dramatically arrested after cops swooped in and busted a nightclub in Colorado in the early hours of the morning.
...
Many of those detained were not in the country legally and taken into Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) custody.

"Some active duty military service members were among those detained during a large-scale federal law enforcement operation Sunday morning at an underground nightclub in Colorado Springs

The operation, which began around 3 a.m. Sunday, was part of an investigation into drug trafficking, prostitution and crimes of violence at the illegal club. In total, more than 100 people were detained

More than a dozen active duty service members were at the underground nightclub, either as patrons or working as security, Pullen said. The Army confirms that service members from its base in Fort Carson were present."

Some active duty service members detained as part of DEA operation at underground nightclub in Colo. Springs

Some active duty military service members were among those detained during a large-scale federal law enforcement operation at an underground nightclub Sunday morning in Colorado Springs, the DEA said.

www.denver7.com

 

[SouthAussie]

He was here illegally ...

Judge questions ICE over reported removal of U.S. toddler ‘with no meaningful process’

The 2-year-old, born in Baton Rouge, was taken into custody during her mother’s appointment for an ICE program, family lawyers say.

www.msnbc.com

I am not seeing that stated anywhere in your link. I think that may be a guess because they were asking his lawyer about the father's status.

Presumably (if from Honduras) he had the same protections that the mother had - hence her reporting to ICE for her regular check in. Except her protections did not protect her.

I posted the 14th Amendment above because the child should have been allowed due process. The father was frantically petitioning for it (as per my previous link).

imo

 

[Simply Southern]

"Some active duty military service members were among those detained during a large-scale federal law enforcement operation Sunday morning at an underground nightclub in Colorado Springs

The operation, which began around 3 a.m. Sunday, was part of an investigation into drug trafficking, prostitution and crimes of violence at the illegal club. In total, more than 100 people were detained

More than a dozen active duty service members were at the underground nightclub, either as patrons or working as security, Pullen said. The Army confirms that service members from its base in Fort Carson were present."

Some active duty service members detained as part of DEA operation at underground nightclub in Colo. Springs

Some active duty military service members were among those detained during a large-scale federal law enforcement operation at an underground nightclub Sunday morning in Colorado Springs, the DEA said.

www.denver7.com

It's not going to end well for those service members. They will be court-martial, subject to military and civilian prison, more than likely dishonorable discharged, no benefits. Big black mark on their future. Moo

 

[IzzyBlanche]

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Even undocumented immigrants and gang members are entitled to due process (cf. Lakin Riley's killer).

 

[SouthAussie]

It's not going to end well for those service members. They will be court-martial, subject to military and civilian prison, more than likely dishonorable discharged, no benefits. Big black mark on their future. Moo

No, it wont end well for them.

I guess it goes to very visibly show that there are US citizens - and service members - committing illegal acts and supporting drug taking and prostitution ... right alongside the arrested migrants. At the very same premises.

imo

 

[Simply Southern]

I am not seeing that stated anywhere in your link. I think that may be a guess because they were asking his lawyer about the father's status.

Presumably (if from Honduras) he had the same protections that the mother had - hence her reporting to ICE for her regular check in. Except her protections did not protect her.

I posted the 14th Amendment above because the child should have been allowed due process. The father was frantically petitioning for it (as per my previous link).

imo

What protection are you talking about? Illegal immigrants have no protection. We don't need any reason to deport them other than they are here illegally.

Yes they were asking the father status. Moo, ICE knows he's here illegally. They told the lawyers they would arrest him, that means they already have a deportation order for him. All they have to do is verify his name and a database of legal immigrants. If it's name doesn't show up then he's here illegally, or a database of illegal immigrants that have existing deportation orders.

It's not about due process. It's a custody hearing. In the US children under the age of 18 are under the jurisdiction of their parents. The mother was in custody, the father couldn't come get the job because he would have been placed in custody.

Should ICE have asked the 2-year-old what they wanted to stay here with daddy or go with Mommy? That would be due process. The child has not been convicted of a crime, so is entitled to no type of hearing. They were trying to file to transfer custody to a family member.

 

[SouthAussie]

What protection are you talking about? Illegal immigrants have no protection. We don't need any reason to deport them other than they are here illegally.

It seems like common sense to me that if the mother was reporting to ICE for her regular check-in she was legally in the country at that point in time. Part of her legal obligation was to check in with ICE on a mandated regular basis. Which she was doing.

All these check-in arrests are doing is driving these migrants underground. Making them scared to go for their proper check in, where the US can keep track of them and know where they are.

So now you will have migrants with unknown whereabouts.

imo

 

[Simply Southern]

No, it wont end well for them.

I guess it goes to very visibly show that there are US citizens - and service members - committing illegal acts and supporting drug taking and prostitution ... right alongside the arrested migrants. At the very same premises.

imo

Oh yes, American citizens commit crimes!!! Websleuth stands as a testament. I guess there are thousands of threads with US criminals. We certainly have a plenty and don't need those from foreign borders.

Keep in mind and I posted several times the US law. You do not have to commit a crime to be deported. If you are in the country illegally you are subject to deportation. I think that's pretty standard among most countries.

Those fearful to return to their Homeland should file for asylum, immediately upon entry, prior to a deportation order. I have several acquaintances and a former employee, he was from Russia that were granted legal asylum.

Moo

 

[Summerliz03]

I’m all for actual gang members and violent criminals being deported - after they’ve been granted their due process to prove they are actually gang members or violent criminals.

But I guess I’m just a “crazy leftist” because I will never support deporting hard working men and women, and their children, who perhaps came to this country “illegally” (in whatever way that means - overstaying a visa, seeking asylum, etc) or international students here on study visas, who are all just trying to make a better life for themselves. I’d much rather the government actually help these people gain legal status then just immediately throw them out of the country. Give them easier pathways to citizenship and support to build lives here.

I think our country is better with people from all different nationalities, cultures and backgrounds who want to make the US a great country. To me, that’s what would “make America great again”. Not throwing out a 4 year old with cancer just because her parents came here “illegally” or putting a hairstylist in a maximum security mega prison because of a tattoo. All MOO.

 

[SouthAussie]

Those fearful to return to their Homeland should file for asylum, immediately upon entry, prior to a deportation order. I have several acquaintances and a former employee, he was from Russia that were granted legal asylum.

Moo

I feel pretty sure that the Honduras mother was an asylum seeker, had filed for asylum, and that is why she reported regularly to ICE. Why else would she have had a regular ICE check-in?


There are probably 4+ million asylum seekers in the United States. These are people who filed an application for asylum, form I-589, with the USCIS Asylum Office or with the Immigration Court, and their dependents.

Are Asylum Seekers Safe from ICE?

There are probably 4+ million asylum seekers in the United States. These are people who filed an application for asylum, form I-589, with the USCIS Asylum Office or with the Immigration Court, and …

www.asylumist.com

imo