People being detained and "exported" by ICE

[Charlot123]

They don't also like to take jobs picking produce, processing poultry, or working physical labor in construction. Just to name another few.

It's a looming disaster for many occupations that will be wiped out, along with those upstream and downstream.

Federal workers get fired. All their support industries suffer. They will be eating out less, so the restaurant owner and their employees will suffer. Some of those employees might lose their jobs. So they pull their kids out of daycare. Then the daycare suffers. Some of those employees might lose their jobs.

And on and on.

This is what "trickle down economics" means in the real world. Poop runs downhill and eventually all of us who are not immune by wealth will suffer.

Well, imagine this. Many immigrants work in construction and own construction companies.

A realistic situation. Our whole street changed roofs and we all hired the same company. I don’t even remember who they were, or maybe I was at work when they did the job. But a couple of months later, during a tempest, a couple of tiles fell off and they replaced immediately. They give 30 years’ warranty.

Now, think I, and I really didn’t see them, but what if they are immigrants and get deported? Where does our warranty go? The only reason I am thinking of it is because I just read about a construction/roofing company closing down in Bellingham. It is far from us, but that made me think how many people may actually lose these house improvement warranties if the companies close down.

 

[Fika]

It’s really shocking to watch what is happening in the US now . I don’t dig very deep into everything as Im from EU and its a lot going on hard to keep up. Just reading this threat its terrifying.

We get all the advisories here to be careful and not travel to the US or even get a burner phone .

Trump administration is sending some innocent people or at least without proper trials to jails yet the man in power is a criminal charged in court of law oh the irony.

 

[sapphire blue]

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My issue is the lack of due process - the law isn’t a pick and choose who gets due process, it applies to all. Without due process it’s the government which has committed the crime - failure of due process, kidnapping and human trafficking.

 

[Lilibet]

Joyce Vance, former Federal attorney, explains all the different exportationi cases before the various courts…thank goodness! I was getting lost.
Allow me to introduce you to Joyce, who is well qualified to comment on this subject.

I’m Joyce Vance, a former United States Attorney, currently a law professor and a legal analyst for MSNBC and NBC.
I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to serve at the Justice Department for more than 25 years. I started out as a line prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of Alabama in 1991. After ten years prosecuting criminal cases, I moved into our appellate division and served as the chief of that division before becoming one of the very first U.S. Attorneys appointed by Barack Obama and confirmed (unanimously if you can believe it in this day and age) by the Senate.

UNTANGLING THE DEPORTATION CASES

Untangling The Deportation Cases

The Trump administration wants a confrontation with the courts.

joycevance.substack.com

The Trump administration wants a confrontation with the courts. Trump wants to try to break them.

That’s an essential path forward for a dictator. Like Trump’s new buddy, Nayib Bukele, whose government removed all of the Supreme Court Justices in El Salvador when they stood in his way and replaced them with more compliant ones. Or in Hungary, under Viktor Orbán, where the independence of the judiciary has been seriously compromised.

It’s time for people to stop pretending that it isn’t happening. Trump is trying to break the government.
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There are so many deportation cases happening at once that it’s difficult to keep up. Tonight, we’ll try to separate them so we can understand what is—and what isn’t—happening here. But keep in mind that while the substance of this dispute centers on the policy goal of deporting people Trump calls criminal illegal aliens, it is also a vehicle this administration is using to undercut the ability of the courts to act as a check on the executive branch and make it easier for Trump to range beyond the authority the Constitution affords to the president.
BBM

 

[SouthAussie]

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My issue is the lack of due process - the law isn’t a pick and choose who gets due process, it applies to all. Without due process it’s the government which has committed the crime - failure of due process, kidnapping and human trafficking.

I think it is all just distraction. The US screwed up (many times, with many people). And now the administration is doubling-down on the mistake they made with Abrego Garcia.

We can all see there is a shameful lack of due process.

imo

 

[SouthAussie]

Joyce Vance, former Federal attorney, explains all the different exportationi cases before the various courts…thank goodness! I was getting lost.
Allow me to introduce you to Joyce, who is well qualified to comment on this subject.

I’m Joyce Vance, a former United States Attorney, currently a law professor and a legal analyst for MSNBC and NBC.
I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to serve at the Justice Department for more than 25 years. I started out as a line prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of Alabama in 1991. After ten years prosecuting criminal cases, I moved into our appellate division and served as the chief of that division before becoming one of the very first U.S. Attorneys appointed by Barack Obama and confirmed (unanimously if you can believe it in this day and age) by the Senate.

UNTANGLING THE DEPORTATION CASES

Untangling The Deportation Cases

The Trump administration wants a confrontation with the courts.

joycevance.substack.com

The Trump administration wants a confrontation with the courts. Trump wants to try to break them.

That’s an essential path forward for a dictator. Like Trump’s new buddy, Nayib Bukele, whose government removed all of the Supreme Court Justices in El Salvador when they stood in his way and replaced them with more compliant ones. Or in Hungary, under Viktor Orbán, where the independence of the judiciary has been seriously compromised.

It’s time for people to stop pretending that it isn’t happening. Trump is trying to break the government.
<snip>

There are so many deportation cases happening at once that it’s difficult to keep up. Tonight, we’ll try to separate them so we can understand what is—and what isn’t—happening here. But keep in mind that while the substance of this dispute centers on the policy goal of deporting people Trump calls criminal illegal aliens, it is also a vehicle this administration is using to undercut the ability of the courts to act as a check on the executive branch and make it easier for Trump to range beyond the authority the Constitution affords to the president.
BBM

"The Trump administration wants a confrontation with the courts. Trump wants to try to break them."

That makes total sense. I wonder how he is going to get the Supreme Court to comply? Even some of his nominated Supreme Court justices have been (weakly) voting against his actions.

imo

 

[Lilibet]

"The Trump administration wants a confrontation with the courts. Trump wants to try to break them."

That makes total sense. I wonder how he is going to get the Supreme Court to comply? Even some of his nominated Supreme Court justices have been (weakly) voting against his actions.

imo

Personally, I think if they rule against him, he will defy them.

JMO

 

[sapphire blue]

Personally, I think if they rule against him, he will defy them.

JMO

"The Trump administration wants a confrontation with the courts. Trump wants to try to break them."

That makes total sense. I wonder how he is going to get the Supreme Court to comply? Even some of his nominated Supreme Court justices have been (weakly) voting against his actions.

imo

Imo he is attempting to
1.delegitimize the courts in public to make them seem corrupt, elites or biased.
2. changing the rules - like court size, appointment processes and retirement age
3. Purging and replacing judges with loyalists
4. Using crises as a justification (real or imagined) ‘emergency powers’ ‘restoration g order’ etc

The patterns are quite obvious if you follow history

Roosevelts ‘court Packing Plan’, Viktor Orban, Recep Tayyip Erdogan Polands Law and Justice Party (2015- )

 

[Lyanna]

I don't know why people are actively choosing to ignore the full context of what Abrego Garcia's wife is saying about the protection order.
What makes their opinion superior to the facts that she has provided?
To ignore or disregard the information that she has given to multiple media outlets is bizarre to me. Why believe an administration who is far from truthful or accurate about things they share over the person who was actually there!? How does that even make sense?

Moo

 

[Lyanna]

And one more thing
Aren't those protective orders confidential unless the person requesting one chooses to release them?
If so, why the heck is it being reported on and the president of US reading excerpts from them????????

Moo
Ebm

 

[SouthAussie]

And one more thing
Aren't those protective orders confidential unless the person requesting one chooses to release them?
If so, why the heck is it being reported on and the president of US reading excerpts from them????????

Moo
Ebm

Because he is a convicted felon who has always flouted the laws?

imo

 

[Lyanna]

Because he is a convicted felon who has always flouted the laws?

imo

Very true
Lawless



Imo, jmo and moo

 

[sapphire blue]

And one more thing
Aren't those protective orders confidential unless the person requesting one chooses to release them?
If so, why the heck is it being reported on and the president of US reading excerpts from them????????

Moo
Ebm

Because it allows him to manipulate the public

 

[SouthAussie]

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More Democratic lawmakers are visiting El Salvador on Abrego Garcia's behalf

"Reps. Yassamin Ansari of Arizona, Maxine Dexter of Oregon, Maxwell Frost of Florida and Robert Garcia of California arrived in the Central American nation on Sunday to investigate the condition of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who had lived in the United States for more than a decade.

“To see the Trump administration so blatantly and egregiously defy the Supreme Court and have no regard for due process is extremely alarming to me,” Ansari said in an interview. “Even with all of the illegal actions we’ve seen over the last couple of months, I think this is the one that terrifies me the most when it comes to the future of our democracy.”

Ansari said more Democrats would be traveling to El Salvador in the coming days and weeks.

Said Garcia: “They’re trying to demonize him, and we’re not here to defend him. He deserves due process, and everyone deserves due process. ... What he did or may have done, that has to be decided by a judge.” "

 

[SouthAussie]

Another lawyer was sent an email telling him to leave the US.


“It is time for you to leave the United States,” reads the email from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS). It ends with a promise: “The federal government will find you.”

“I was in a little bit of a shock,” said Trujillo, who became a citizen over a decade ago. “I was like, why is this happening?”

Immigration lawyers in Massachusetts, Ohio, Arizona, Michigan and Pennsylvania, as well as a doctor in Connecticut — all of whom are also citizens — reported receiving the same email as Trujillo.

“This is part of a new practice, and the practice is to instill fear in the Latino or the minority communities,” Trujillo said.

Utah lawyer among citizens DHS directed to self deport • Utah News Dispatch

Utah attorney Carlos Trujillo is one of several U.S. citizens who received what appears to be a mass email telling them to self deport.

utahnewsdispatch.com

 

[Lyanna]

Another lawyer was sent an email telling him to leave the US.


“It is time for you to leave the United States,” reads the email from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS). It ends with a promise: “The federal government will find you.”

“I was in a little bit of a shock,” said Trujillo, who became a citizen over a decade ago. “I was like, why is this happening?”

Immigration lawyers in Massachusetts, Ohio, Arizona, Michigan and Pennsylvania, as well as a doctor in Connecticut — all of whom are also citizens — reported receiving the same email as Trujillo.

“This is part of a new practice, and the practice is to instill fear in the Latino or the minority communities,” Trujillo said.

Utah lawyer among citizens DHS directed to self deport • Utah News Dispatch

Utah attorney Carlos Trujillo is one of several U.S. citizens who received what appears to be a mass email telling them to self deport.

utahnewsdispatch.com

Who on earth created the system that is being used?
Perhaps DOGE should look into the dept that is sending correspondence to innocent American citizens? Would be a better use of their time than cutting much needed funds to other areas.
If it wasn't so awful it would be funny.
Talk about incompetence

Moo

 

[TheTeach]

Bill aimed to restrict 'activist judges' awaits Senate vote; Critics call HR 1526 a threat to constitution | FOX 11 Los Angeles

H.R. 1526, the No Rogue Rulings Act, aims to limit district courts' ability to issue nationwide injunctions against President Trump's executive orders.

www.foxla.com

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1526

Here is how he will break and purge the judges that go against him.

 

[SouthAussie]

Bill aimed to restrict 'activist judges' awaits Senate vote; Critics call HR 1526 a threat to constitution | FOX 11 Los Angeles

H.R. 1526, the No Rogue Rulings Act, aims to limit district courts' ability to issue nationwide injunctions against President Trump's executive orders.

www.foxla.com

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1526

Here is how he will break and purge the judges that go against him.

Can't see that getting through the Senate. Would think that there would be a few Republicans that wont go for that, enough to make up the numbers.

Fingers crossed, anyway!

They sadly snuck the precursor through though .... H.R. 1526, or the No Rogue Rulings Act (NORRA), was passed by the House of Representatives last week. "Specifically, it prohibits a district court from issuing an injunction unless the injunction applies only to the parties of the particular case before the court," the bill's summary reads on Congress.gov. (from your linked article)

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

In addition and in my opinion there’s no reason to keep criminal illegal people in the US.

The list included Paredes' name and photo and says that he is a confirmed TdA member and says that he is facing criminal charges for "aggravated assault with a weapon, pointing, and presenting firearms at a person." The post also includes photos of Paredes' tattoos of a cross and a clock.

"This is who the Democrats are fighting to keep in your neighborhood," Miller said in response to the social media post of the list.

A review of court records found one charge against Paredes in South Carolina for "pointing and presenting firearms at a person" in February. The case is still ongoing and Paredes is scheduled to have his second court appearance in August.

What don't you understand about due process? I don't care if the guy ate his children and cut his wife into a million pieces. The Constitution still entitles you to due process in this country. Funny how ya'll love crying about free speech and gun rights in the Constitution but conveniently ignoring it when it comes to this. I mean, come on, even Nazi war criminals got due process. Or does due process only really matter when Trump is on trial for defrauding people? JMO

 

[TheTeach]

I mean, come on, even Nazi war criminals got due process. Or does due process only really matter when Trump is on trial for defrauding people? JMO

SBM.

Victor Antonio Martinez Hernandez received his due process. The court found him guilty of murder, rape, and kidnapping. Rachel Morin's family is seeing justice served.

That's how it works. If the evidence is there, then let the courts do their jobs. Clothing, tattoos, a car load of people that looked like human trafficking....this is circumstantial evidence at best, and it's how we wrongly convict people.