People being detained and "exported" by ICE

[Summerliz03]

No one said she shouldn't be listened to. But I fail to see how her grief proves any kind of point as to what's happening in the world. The assailant in her daughter's case is rightfully in prison. Other illegal immigrants should be deported after due process.

There's a reason we don't just sweep the streets and round up anyone walking around in hopes of finding the guy who committed a crime. We're a nation built on laws. We don't break those laws to insure others enforce them. That's hypocritical.

MOO.

I want to add on to that by saying, if they start ignoring due process for undocumented people, it will eventually lead to anyone and everyone facing the same thing, and probably pretty rapidly at the rate this administration is going. What’s stopping them from taking away the right to due process for any single person in this country?? They even think you committed a crime, or they don’t like something you’ve done or said - no fair trial for you, just straight to jail with no legal representation at all. It’s a very slippery slope and not one I want to go down. Again IMO.

 

[Izzylizzy]

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[Lyanna]

Hes going to keep amping up if he continues to do whatever he wants.

He now wants to send us citizens to el salvador for property destruction

https://www.abc7.com/amp/post/presi...face-20-years-jail-sent-el-salvador/16064219/

President Donald Trump seemed to issue a warning to individuals who participate in Tesla vandalisms, as reports of destruction to vehicles, dealerships and charging stations surge across the country.

Early Friday morning, Trump posted on his social media platform: "People that get caught sabotaging Teslas will stand a very good chance of going to jail for up to twenty years, and that includes funders. WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOU!!!"

He also suggested those found guilty of participating in Tesla-related crimes could be sent to prison in El Salvador, referring to the administration's controversial move to deport alleged gang members to the country after Trump signed a proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies Act even though a court order temporarily blocked the authority.

"I look forward to watching the sick terrorist thugs get 20 year jail sentences for what they are doing to Elon Musk and Tesla," Trump said in a posting. "Perhaps they would serve them in the prisons of El Salvador, which have become so recently famous for such lovely conditions."

Hmm, Sabotaging Teslas is worth 20 years in jail but the rioters from January 6th get pardoned??

Yea. That's backwards right there.

JMO. IMO and All MOO

 

[887sMtreme]

I don't support anyone being deported if they haven't gone through proper legal processes.

Without due process, we are ALL in danger. That’s how fascism works.

 

[Anxala]

205 of those arrested had significant criminal convictions or charges. Six were foreign fugitives currently facing charges or convictions for murder, drug trafficking, organized crime, and money laundering

Law enforcement officials seized approximately 44 kilograms of methamphetamines, 5 kilograms of fentanyl, 1.2 kilograms of cocaine, three firearms and ammunition from illegal alien offenders during the operation.

ICE, law enforcement partners arrest 370 alien offenders during enhanced operation in Massachusetts

During the six-day enhanced operation, ICE and federal law enforcement partners targeted egregious criminal alien offenders including transnational criminal organizations known to operate in and around Boston and throughout Massachusetts.

www.ice.gov

So you're taking the word of ICE here? The same ICE that has no regard for the law?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Transcript:

• Geoff Bennett:
  
  President Trump promised the largest mass deportation effort in the country's history.
  
  And as the Homeland Security Department works to deport more people, immigrants with legal status or no criminal history are also being detained and deported.
  
  We talked with three people affected by the changes, a Canadian who tried to renew her visa, the husband of a Peruvian immigrant who's being detained in Louisiana, and a graduate student currently being targeted for deportation. Here's what they told us.
  
  Jasmine Mooney, Detained Trying to Renew Visa: My name is Jasmine Mooney, and I am from Canada.'

cont

Migrants in U.S. legally and with no criminal history caught up in Trump crackdown

President Trump promised the largest mass deportation effort in the country’s history. As his Homeland Security Department works to deport more people, immigrants with legal status or no criminal history are being detained and deported. We hear from three people to better understand the impact...

www.pbs.org

 

[SouthAussie]

When I was looking last night at immigration laws about inadmissibility to the US (to see if the laws had now changed or something) I noticed that the relevant immigration website now says that the information it shows is no longer current but is there for reference purposes.

Are they in the process of trying to change the laws? Which would mean the website is still valid until those laws are changed. Where is the new information? Why isn't it available to the public?

Inadmissibillity and Waivers

 

[seasideForest]

IMO


I'm so glad that some of the wrongs from the last few years are being reversed. Many repeat violent criminals have been caught and deported.


IMO

RSBMFF
BBM

Many? How many is 'many'? imo one has to be very careful with this type of word. Are you referring to millions? Or hundreds of thousands? Two hundred? Or just a handful?

MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

When I was looking last night at immigration laws about inadmissibility to the US (to see if the laws had now changed or something) I noticed that the relevant immigration website now says that the information it shows is no longer current but is there for reference purposes.

Are they in the process of trying to change the laws? Which would mean the website is still valid until those laws are changed. Where is the new information? Why isn't it available to the public?

Inadmissibillity and Waivers

Here's one.

snip:

Temporary Protected Status Designated Country: Venezuela​

Alert Type info
ALERT: On Feb. 1, 2025, Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem decided to terminate Temporary Protected Status (TPS) under the 2023 designation for Venezuela.

TPS and related benefits associated with the 2023 designation will end on April 7, 2025.

Alert Type info

ALERT: On Jan. 28, 2025, Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem vacated the Jan. 17, 2025, notice that extended a Temporary Protected Status (TPS) designation for Venezuela. The department will revert to the TPS redesignation and extension guidance that was announced in October 2023.'


cont

Temporary Protected Status Designated Country: Venezuela | USCIS

www.uscis.gov

 

[Izzylizzy]

When I was looking last night at immigration laws about inadmissibility to the US (to see if the laws had now changed or something) I noticed that the relevant immigration website now says that the information it shows is no longer current but is there for reference purposes.

Are they in the process of trying to change the laws? Which would mean the website is still valid until those laws are changed. Where is the new information? Why isn't it available to the public?

Inadmissibillity and Waivers

Scroll down page a bit and on the left the countries that had "Temporary Protected Status" are listed.
Click and you'll see the current status and if anything has been changed by the new administration,

Temporary Protected Status Designated Country: Venezuela | USCIS

www.uscis.gov

 

[SouthAussie]

Scroll down page a bit and on the left the countries that had "Temporary Protected Status" are listed.
Click and you'll see the current status and if anything has been changed by the new administration,

Temporary Protected Status Designated Country: Venezuela | USCIS

www.uscis.gov

Thanks. What I was looking for is current general inadmissibility laws. The ones that people look at to see if they are or are not able to be in the US legally.

I was looking for those laws due to the green card holders and student visa holders who are being detained.
Because I don't think those detentions follow the current US immigration laws, and the website says those current laws are no longer current but gives no reference for current laws. If you get my dilemma.

I suspect the new "laws" are being created as they go.

imo

 

[seasideForest]

A couple of months ago I read reports of US-American indigenous people, especially Navajo, being harassed by ICE

‘Fear and anxiety’ as Navajo Nation members targeted in ICE operations

Native American report ICE wasn’t recognizing their documentation

www.independent.co.uk

Trump immigration raids snag U.S. citizens, including Native Americans, raising racial profiling fears

A U.S. veteran and Navajo residents have been asked for identification. Critics are complaining of racial profiling as raids and deportations increase.

www.nbcnews.com

See what can happen when rule of law is not followed - racial profiling goes up, people are harassed, detained, even possibly deported for not having ID on them or their ID not being recognised. Imagine being detained as an indigenous person?? They've been in the US longer than anybody else, they are the rightful people if anybody is!!

Another potential concern for me when rule of law breaks down is what might be considered a crime worthy of deportation for some people and just worthy of a fine for others. Speeding ticket? You're from El Salvador? Bye. You're a US-American? 50 bucks, 200 bucks - whatever, but not something that tears your life apart. May not be happening yet, but it could start. Is there anything to prevent it?

Frightening times. MOO

 

[rleigh123]

RSBMFF
BBM

Many? How many is 'many'? imo one has to be very careful with this type of word. Are you referring to millions? Or hundreds of thousands? Two hundred? Or just a handful?

MOO

I gave links to specific cases in post # 14 along with a link to more. If you're looking for a specific number that's a good place to start. I don't know if they're posting every arrest or how far back.

I didn't count the specific number. I don't have a problem with the word "many." I think the numbers are better than they were a few years ago, especially when taking into consideration the amount of unchecked and unvetted numbers coming in.



IMO

 

[Tricia]

This is not about Jan.6ers. Please stop bringing this up.
If you feel this is too political you do not have to participate.
Thank you,
Tricia

 

[seasideForest]

I gave links to specific cases in post # 14 along with a link to more. If you're looking for a specific number that's a good place to start. I don't know if they're posting every arrest or how far back.

I didn't count the specific number. I don't have a problem with the word "many." I think the numbers are better than they were a few years ago, especially when taking into consideration the amount of unchecked and unvetted numbers coming in.



IMO

I did start counting, based on those links. Got up to 14, tho didn't open the final link.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on whether a word like 'many' (also often, never, always...) can be used in an inflationary way or at least a persuasive way...

IMO

 

[rleigh123]

IMO


I often think of victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants, and I think of the victims' families. Often referred to as Angel Moms or Angel Families. They have victim-advocacy organizations.

They are generally dismissed, disrespected, downplayed, or ignored by mainstream media. It's hard for me to find a news story about them that doesn't do that.

So it's good to see something being done about the problem of illegal immigration. The last few years have seen so many come in unchecked and unvetted.



IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

IMO


I often think of victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants, and I think of the victims' families. Often referred to as Angel Moms or Angel Families. They have victim-advocacy organizations.

They are generally dismissed, disrespected, downplayed, or ignored by mainstream media. It's hard for me to find a news story about them that doesn't do that.

So it's good to see something being done about the problem of illegal immigration. The last few years have seen so many come in unchecked and unvetted.



IMO

I think there are two different scenarios going on. One is illegal immigrants being rightly deported.

The other is green card holders and student visa holders - people in the US legally - being detained for murky (and perhaps not currently legal) reasons.

I guess we need to be careful not to mix up the two different scenarios on this thread - or anywhere else.

imo

 

[rleigh123]

I did start counting, based on those links. Got up to 14, tho didn't open the final link.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on whether a word like 'many' (also often, never, always...) can be used in an inflationary way or at least a persuasive way...

IMO

IMO


I wasn't trying to do either. And I wouldn't see the point, anyway. The numbers are there, and if you don't consider that "many," then OK. I'm not going to debate my use of the word. IMO it's a waste of time, as is trying to find or imply that I had some ulterior motive for using it.


If the number of violent criminals caught is five, that's better than zero.


By the way, the last link was the link to ALL the cases. Not just one.



IMO

 

[seasideForest]

IMO


I often think of victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants, and I think of the victims' families. Often referred to as Angel Moms or Angel Families. They have victim-advocacy organizations.

I often think of victims of crime. Full-stop.
Or I think of victims of crime who have some similarity to me, like pedestrians or cyclists killed on the road or women attacked by some random man.

They are generally dismissed, disrespected, downplayed, or ignored by mainstream media. It's hard for me to find a news story about them that doesn't do that.

Same happens to both groups I refer to. One group of victims in the US and Canada that is massively ignored is the indigenous by msm, as well as disrespected, dismissed etc etc.

So it's good to see something being done about the problem of illegal immigration. The last few years have seen so many come in unchecked and unvetted.



IMO

So I'm glad when traffic laws are toughened up, e.g. against drunk and impaired drivers, (as they have been in the last decades in some countries) or when LE and society in general take male versus female violence more seriously.

IMO

I don't think crime is a - legal or illegal - immigration problem, it is a human problem which only a multi-faceted approach can reduce and I don't imagine it will ever end, sadly.

You and I - we focus on different things, so again, we must agree to disagree.

MOO

 

[rleigh123]

IMO


I often think of victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants, and I think of the victims' families. Often referred to as Angel Moms or Angel Families. They have victim-advocacy organizations.

They are generally dismissed, disrespected, downplayed, or ignored by mainstream media. It's hard for me to find a news story about them that doesn't do that.

So it's good to see something being done about the problem of illegal immigration. The last few years have seen so many come in unchecked and unvetted.



IMO

I think there are two different scenarios going on. One is illegal immigrants being rightly deported.

The other is green card holders and student visa holders - people in the US legally - being detained for murky (and perhaps not currently legal) reasons.

I guess we need to be careful not to mix up the two different scenarios on this thread - or anywhere else.

imo

IMO


Agreed. My comments are in reference to illegal immigrants - specifically, those who have committed violent crimes.

Unfortunately, not everyone agrees that is a problem. That is absolutely stunning to me but I realize the importance of keeping emotions in check here.

As a victim-friendly board, I want topics like this to be able to stay open and be discussed.

If we can't discuss it here, and in a respectful, productive manner, how can we expect politicians and the general public to do so anywhere else?


IMO