People being detained and "exported" by ICE

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Agreed. My comments are in reference to illegal immigrants - specifically, those who have committed violent crimes.

Unfortunately, not everyone agrees that is a problem. That is absolutely stunning to me but I realize the importance of keeping emotions in check here.

As a victim-friendly board, I want topics like this to be able to stay open and be discussed.

If we can't discuss it here, and in a respectful, productive manner, how can we expect politicians and the general public to do so anywhere else?


IMO

I don't think anyone disagrees with illegal immigrants being deported.

What I think people are saying is ...

1. let's make sure they are an illegal immigrant first
2. let's follow the deportation laws

Because it seems like people who are legally in the US are being caught up in the swoop.

imo
 
If the number of violent criminals caught is five, that's better than zero.
That is true.
By the way, the last link was the link to ALL the cases. Not just one.
Correct, so I checked it, briefly. There are 14 pages with about 14-15 cases per page except for the final page. However, not all criminals listed are violent (some is for fraudulent claims on import/export documents) and not all criminals are listed as being immigrants, illegal or otherwise.

My point is: when the rule of law is breaking down in a country one has to be very careful what one is quoting and how. Seeing "Many repeat violent criminals...deported" is enough to give people the idea that there are many, many, many violent criminals, who are also repeat offenders, who are immigrants, maybe even illegal ones - foreign, bad, dangerous. In fact it can seem such a threat that it feels worth it to suspend the rule of law. I'm sorry if that's not the way you intended, but media does do that, politicians do that, the general public does that and it affects elections, public opinion etc etc

JMO

ETA: Okay, I won't write anything else on this.
 

“The detentions are a signal of a broader effort by President Donald Trump to clamp down on the actions of legal permanent residents, student visa holders and others who live and work legally in the United States, one that threatens to undermine a fundamental American right to free speech and to assemble, experts and advocates said. ”
 
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I don't think anyone disagrees with illegal immigrants being deported.

imo


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Yes, they do. Here and in the broader US. It's been a constant common theme on news, talk, and political shows, dinner tables, and around water coolers especially the last few years. The border was open throughout the last few years and nothing was being done, and the loud argument from one side was that was OK.

And here too, because my comments in this topic are only in regards to victims of violent illegal immigrants and yet I am still getting pushback, even though I am not here to debate. I am simply stating my opinion.



What I think people are saying is ...

1. let's make sure they are an illegal immigrant first
2. let's follow the deportation laws

Because it seems like people who are legally in the US are being caught up in the swoop.

imo


Yes, as you said in your previous topic and I agreed with you. I'm not talking about innocents caught up in the swoop. I am only referring to illegal immigrants who commit violent crimes.



IMO
 
People need to follow laws. Non documented People in the United States who were not legally admitted and inspected at a port of entry are considered "illegal aliens" and are subject to deportation.

People who have been admitted to the United States, on a VISA, are not citizens of the United States, and are subject to having their visa reversed at any time, subject to the laws and rules under United States immigration law and policies.

 
People need to follow laws. Non documented People in the United States who were not legally admitted and inspected at a port of entry are considered "illegal aliens" and are subject to deportation.

People who have been admitted to the United States, on a VISA, are not citizens of the United States, and are subject to having their visa reversed at any time, subject to the laws and rules under United States immigration law and policies.

All of this is true, however, there is a process to revoke a visa which involves alerting the person via letter and then allowing them to have a court hearing after they receive the letter. They cannot just grab someone off the street.
 
All of this is true, however, there is a process to revoke a visa which involves alerting the person via letter and then allowing them to have a court hearing after they receive the letter. They cannot just grab someone off the street.

Yes, they can. Please read the annotated section on "removal" of aliens admitted.
 
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Yes, they do. Here and in the broader US. It's been a constant common theme on news, talk, and political shows, dinner tables, and around water coolers especially the last few years. The border was open throughout the last few years and nothing was being done, and the loud argument from one side was that was OK.

I disagree that nothing was being done about it.


The 1.1 million deportations since the beginning of fiscal year (FY) 2021 through February 2024 (the most recent data available) are on pace to match the 1.5 million deportations carried out during the four years President Donald Trump was in office.

 

I'm curious about how many facilities are following these guidelines
 
All of this is true, however, there is a process to revoke a visa which involves alerting the person via letter and then allowing them to have a court hearing after they receive the letter. They cannot just grab someone off the street.

There is due process for people who have been admitted and gained status as "Legal Permanent Residents". But not for people who are granted admittance as Visa admittance.

Immigration law is confusing. And it seems like the media does not explain legal status to people.
 
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I guess the First Amendment is under complete assault now.

Doesn't the president declare to uphold the Constitution when inaugurated? Or am I mistaken about that?


"When I moved to Cambridge, Massachusetts, less than a year ago, I could never have imagined that writing a critical piece about the US government could put me at risk of deportation, threatening the life and career I’ve built here. But today, that threat is very real.

A Middle Eastern friend who attended protests recently told me she’s started altering her daily route to and from campus – knowing Ice typically conducts arrests in public spaces.

Another international couple told me they’ve exchanged social media passwords to alert each other immediately if something happens, and created an emergency protocol in case one of them suddenly disappears.

As I wrote this column, another colleague emailed a Spanish newspaper asking them to erase her previously published opinion pieces out of fear of retaliation.

Several German colleagues, similarly cautious, have begun regularly deleting WhatsApp conversations after a French scientist was turned away at the US border for private text messages criticizing Donald Trump."

I could never have imagined that writing a critical piece about the government could put me at risk of deportation
 
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When I was looking last night at immigration laws about inadmissibility to the US (to see if the laws had now changed or something) I noticed that the relevant immigration website now says that the information it shows is no longer current but is there for reference purposes.

Are they in the process of trying to change the laws? Which would mean the website is still valid until those laws are changed. Where is the new information? Why isn't it available to the public?

Inadmissibillity and Waivers
Because our system of laws is being gutted by a dictator.
 
IMO


Agreed. My comments are in reference to illegal immigrants - specifically, those who have committed violent crimes.

Unfortunately, not everyone agrees that is a problem. That is absolutely stunning to me but I realize the importance of keeping emotions in check here.

As a victim-friendly board, I want topics like this to be able to stay open and be discussed.

If we can't discuss it here, and in a respectful, productive manner, how can we expect politicians and the general public to do so anywhere else?


IMO

Respectfully, I have not seen anyone in this thread say undocumented immigrants committing violent crime isn't a problem. I think we're all on the same page with regard to that particular thing, just as we are on anyone committing violent crime. MOO
 
IMO
Yes, they do. Here and in the broader US. It's been a constant common theme on news, talk, and political shows, dinner tables, and around water coolers especially the last few years. The border was open throughout the last few years and nothing was being done, and the loud argument from one side was that was OK.

And here too, because my comments in this topic are only in regards to victims of violent illegal immigrants and yet I am still getting pushback, even though I am not here to debate. I am simply stating my opinion.


Yes, as you said in your previous topic and I agreed with you. I'm not talking about innocents caught up in the swoop. I am only referring to illegal immigrants who commit violent crimes.


IMO

Can you provide a source that the border was "open"? Because I don't believe the border was actually "open." I believe some were arguing against killing and/or drowning people who crossed the border, but that doesn't equate to the border being "open" by objective standards. I also didn't see anyone from any side claiming it was "ok" that anyone -- including undocumented immigrants -- committed violent crimes. I think this is misinformation intentionally spread through the media to villianize one side of the argument and not actually based on fact. So I'd like to see a source (not an op-ed, but an objective fact-based piece), if you have one.

JMO.
 
People who have been admitted to the United States, on a VISA, are not citizens of the United States, and are subject to having their visa reversed at any time, subject to the laws and rules under United States immigration law and policies.


And the laws and freedoms under our Constitution apply to them. Link on page 1.
 
There is due process for people who have been admitted and gained status as "Legal Permanent Residents". But not for people who are granted admittance as Visa admittance.

Immigration law is confusing. And it seems like the media does not explain legal status to people.

This is inaccurate, per Supreme Court ruling.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/

"In 1903, the Court in the Japanese Immigrant Case reviewed the legality of deporting an alien who had lawfully entered the United States, clarifying that an alien who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population could not be deported without an opportunity to be heard upon the questions involving his right to be and remain in the United States.<a href="https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/#ALDF_00015326">1</a> In the decades that followed, the Supreme Court maintained the notion that once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders.<a href="https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/#ALDF_00015327">2</a>""
 
I do not support illegal immigration but I can make the argument that the ability for an immigrant to come into this country legally has become an extremely difficult, challenging and at times, impossible feat. Here’s some articles talking about how difficult legal immigration is in the US.




All that said, that doesn’t mean people should just come in illegally. But we need a reform in the process to obtain legal immigration status. I would also argue that a very large majority of the people who want to come to the US are not violent criminals, simply people who are trying to escape hardship, violence or danger in their own countries.

Obviously if an illegal immigrant commits a crime, they should be legally prosecuted for that crime and sent back to the country they are from. I don’t think anyone would argue against that. Again, the statistics show that immigrants are not committing crimes at high levels, yet the media and our current government definitely sensationalizes any story about it, which leads to people being convinced that every immigrant is a violent criminal. Why do you think that is? All MOO.
 
I do not support illegal immigration but I can make the argument that the ability for an immigrant to come into this country legally has become an extremely difficult, challenging and at times, impossible feat. Here’s some articles talking about how difficult legal immigration is in the US.




All that said, that doesn’t mean people should just come in illegally. But we need a reform in the process to obtain legal immigration status. I would also argue that a very large majority of the people who want to come to the US are not violent criminals, simply people who are trying to escape hardship, violence or danger in their own countries.

Obviously if an illegal immigrant commits a crime, they should be legally prosecuted for that crime and sent back to the country they are from. I don’t think anyone would argue against that. Again, the statistics show that immigrants are not committing crimes at high levels, yet the media and our current government definitely sensationalizes any story about it, which leads to people being convinced that every immigrant is a violent criminal. Why do you think that is? All MOO.
Well said, and I couldn't agree more.


If it were me, I know what I would do for my family to potentially have a better life. MOO.
 
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