People being detained and "exported" by ICE

[SouthAussie]

Learning a lot here … parole (a strange term so I looked it up) is a temporary stay in USA … with an expiry date.

Humanitarian or Significant Public Benefit Parole for Aliens Outside the United States | USCIS

www.uscis.gov

A federal judge seems to be going to enforce that the govt allow the 'paroled' migrants to live out their 2 year 'parole' in the US without being deported.


A federal judge said she will block President Donald Trump's administration on Thursday from revoking the temporary legal status of hundreds of thousands of Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans and Venezuelans in the United States.

U.S. District Judge Indira Talwani in Boston said the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's decision to cut short a two-year parole granted to the migrants under Trump's Democratic predecessor Joe Biden was based on an incorrect reading of the law.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-blocks-trump-revoking-thousands-migrants-legal-status-2025-04-10/

 

[iamshadow21]

Wall Street dips after Trump’s tariff pause as China promises to fight on

White House clarifies Trump’s tariff hike brings total China duties to 145%, not 125% as previously reported.

aje.io

So, as we have seen before in history - classification/identification/registration is the first step.

It's all so revoltingly predictable.

MOO

 

[sds71]

@KlasfeldReports

The Trump admin must "facilitate" the release of Maryland immigrant Kilmar Abrego Garcia from an El Salvador prison, the Supreme Court ruled without noted dissents.

Doc https://supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910465476397855055

 

[Warwick1991]

@KlasfeldReports

The Trump admin must "facilitate" the release of Maryland immigrant Kilmar Abrego Garcia from an El Salvador prison, the Supreme Court ruled without noted dissents.

Doc https://supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910465476397855055

Thank God... A little sanity and regard for human rights...

 

[Lilibet]

But the high court asks the lower court to clarify what “effectuate” means.

Ummm…It means to GET IT DONE!!

effectuate

1. to do something or make something happen: 2. to do something or make…

dictionary.cambridge.org

 

[Herat]

Unanimous decision by the US Supreme Court requiring Donald Trump to retrieve Abrego-Garcia from the El Salvador prison back to the US.

 

[SouthAussie]

The US Govt won't even release the names of the people they have sent to El Salvador. Not to their families or anyone else. ICE says they deleted the list because the people were no longer in their custody.

It is against international law. It is considered to be a forced disappearance.

CBS got hold of a leaked government list of names, however. So somebody has the list.
The names of Venezuelans deported to El Salvador


Under international law, an enforced disappearance occurs when authorities deprive a person of their liberty and then refuse to disclose that person’s fate or whereabouts. This violation is especially serious because it places people outside the protection of the law, making further abuses likely.

“These enforced disappearances are a grave violation of international human rights law,” said Juanita Goebertus, Americas director at Human Rights Watch. “The cruelty of the US and Salvadoran governments has put these people outside the protection of the law and caused immense pain to their families.”

https://reliefweb.int/report/el-salvador/usel-salvador-venezuelan-deportees-forcibly-disappeared

 

[Herat]

Thank God... A little sanity and regard for human rights...

Unanimous decision by the US Supreme Court requiring Donald Trump to retrieve Abrego-Garcia from the El Salvador prison back to the US.

I've realized the Supreme Court decision has no teeth at all.

The US clearly doesn't have jurisdiction over a soverign country like El Salvador. The US Government would have to request or negotiate Mr. Abrego-Garcia's release.

With Trump in charge, I fear there will be no attempt at a formal request for release.

It is abhorrent to think of the deep calculated evil that is planning this. Seizing people of valid status without consequence and sending them to die in a foreign prison.

 

[Lilibet]

I think this needs its own thread, because there will be more, but I will start here. I’ve been using words like “autocracy” and “authoritarian” to refer to the Trump regime, but THIS MAKES IT OFFICIAL (and yes, I’m yelling). ANY time the Judicial Department is ordered by the president to investigate people JUST because they publicly disagreed with Trump WE ARE IN AN AUTOCRATIC/AUTHORITARIAN SYSTEM.

In authoritarian fashion, Trump orders probes into two ex-officials who defied him

The president's new efforts to target Christopher Krebs and Miles Taylor are so radical that Liz Cheney described the tactics as “Stalinesque.”

www.msnbc.com

President Donald Trump directed federal agencies Wednesday to revoke the security clearances and review the activities of two high-level former government officials who questioned his election fraud claims and his conduct in his first term.

Trump referred to what one of the men did as “treason,” which is a death penalty offense.

On Rachel Maddow tonight Eric Holder, former AG under Obama, said very firmly that these are the worst executive orders Trump has signed yet.

More at this link:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/09/politics/trump-critics-executive-orders-taylor-krebs/index.html

ALSO: Keep in mind that Trump is tossing around the idea of sending CITIZENS to prison in El Salvador.

Trump on sending American prisoners to El Salvadorian prisons: 'I love that'

Trump told reporters he would be in favor of sending American prisoners to El Salvador Sunday but that he doesn't "know what the law says on that."

www.usatoday.com

 

[SouthAussie]

I've realized the Supreme Court decision has no teeth at all.

The US clearly doesn't have jurisdiction over a soverign country like El Salvador. The US Government would have to request or negotiate Mr. Abrego-Garcia's release.

With Trump in charge, I fear there will be no attempt at a formal request for release.

It is abhorrent to think of the deep calculated evil that is planning this. Seizing people of valid status without consequence and sending them to die in a foreign prison.

I was reading an article about this. The Supreme Court (or any US court) cannot make El Salvador return anyone. No jurisdiction.

Though a US law school professor (Nicole Hallett) says the US Govt can request it. That the El Salvador prison is acting like an agent of the US because the US paid them $6M to take the detainees. She also said that ..... "the US has previously facilitated the return of mistakenly deported individuals."

Like you, I think they will probably lie and say they tried this or that and it didn't work.
But I sure hope that for once they do the right thing.

Can the US return Kilmar Abrego Garcia from El Salvador?

Lawyers and experts say the case has the potential to upend due process for immigrants in the US.

www.bbc.com

 

[Lilibet]

and what was gain by the protesting of the vietnam war....nothing except veterans initially returning home to protestors in the us who hated them, ridiculed them for serving ... ive heard their stories.... nothing good happened for anyone in that situation.... less us unity was biggest result

imo

And by the way, you completely changed the subject and replied by focusing on my protesting rather than what I was illustrating about the protesters on campus nowadays. You made blanket negative generalizations about these students and I pointed out, based on my experience, that you were generalizing. We were not talking about Vietnam veterans. We were talking about due process for immigrants.

So, am I correct in assuming that any protest against government policy by anyone is grounds to deny due process? That’s what Trump seems to think (see my post right before your initial post this evening) and that is what we call an authoritarian.

JMO

 

[fred&edna]

And by the way, you completely changed the subject and replied by focusing on my protesting rather than what I was illustrating about the protesters on campus nowadays. You made blanket negative generalizations about these students and I pointed out, based on my experience, that you were generalizing. We were not talking about Vietnam veterans. We were talking about due process for immigrants.

So, am I correct in assuming that any protest against government policy by anyone is grounds to deny due process? That’s what Trump seems to think (see my post right before your initial post this evening) and that is what we call an authoritarian.

JMO

i previously shared my thoughts regarding due process - if it still remains on the thread - which states that i definitely support that right. i'm sorry i replied to your personal story of protesting... i knew better.

jmo

 

[sds71]

@jimsciutto
Trump administration says it can't share any information on Abrego Garcia with the court.

From: CNN's Devan Cole The Trump administration failed to meet a court-imposed deadline to provide information about how the government is working to facilitate the return of a Maryland man mistakenly deported to El Salvador. DOJ attorneys told US District Judge Paula Xinis that they "are not in a position where they 'can' share any information requested by the Court. That is the reality."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910734587463958875

 

[acutename]

I've realized the Supreme Court decision has no teeth at all.

The US clearly doesn't have jurisdiction over a soverign country like El Salvador. The US Government would have to request or negotiate Mr. Abrego-Garcia's release.

With Trump in charge, I fear there will be no attempt at a formal request for release.

It is abhorrent to think of the deep calculated evil that is planning this. Seizing people of valid status without consequence and sending them to die in a foreign prison.

I do not understand the arrangement to send people to this prison- US pays, correct? Is it just one payment "forever?' Are they sentenced for a time period? Or it is their life? (I see that he was originally from El Salvador, so more complicated where he could be and what records there are about him.)

 

[Summerliz03]

Unfortunately, I don’t think Mr Garcia is ever coming back from El Salvador. The Supreme Court ruling is technically a win but there’s nothing in there that would “force” El Salvador to return him and it’s vague enough that the Trump administration can feign that they are “working on it” without actually doing anything.

And as pessimistic as this sound, I wonder if he is even still alive The White House definitely does not want him to return to the US to be able to share his side of the story with the media. That prison is really not some place that you really get out of. All MOO. And I hope I’m wrong and he does get to come back to his family! But I’m not super optimistic about that happening under this administration.

 

[Vern]

I think this needs its own thread, because there will be more, but I will start here. I’ve been using words like “autocracy” and “authoritarian” to refer to the Trump regime, but THIS MAKES IT OFFICIAL (and yes, I’m yelling). ANY time the Judicial Department is ordered by the president to investigate people JUST because they publicly disagreed with Trump WE ARE IN AN AUTOCRATIC/AUTHORITARIAN SYSTEM.

In authoritarian fashion, Trump orders probes into two ex-officials who defied him

The president's new efforts to target Christopher Krebs and Miles Taylor are so radical that Liz Cheney described the tactics as “Stalinesque.”

www.msnbc.com

Trump referred to what one of the men did as “treason,” which is a death penalty offense.

On Rachel Maddow tonight Eric Holder, former AG under Obama, said very firmly that these are the worst executive orders Trump has signed yet.

More at this link:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/09/politics/trump-critics-executive-orders-taylor-krebs/index.html

ALSO: Keep in mind that Trump is tossing around the idea of sending CITIZENS to prison in El Salvador.

Trump on sending American prisoners to El Salvadorian prisons: 'I love that'

Trump told reporters he would be in favor of sending American prisoners to El Salvador Sunday but that he doesn't "know what the law says on that."

www.usatoday.com

This would fall under the legal term 'Manifestly Unlawful'.

Just saying. This is where rememberance of the Oaths that individuals actually swore to protect and uphold becomes critical.

IMO.

-

 

[Vern]

I was reading an article about this. The Supreme Court (or any US court) cannot make El Salvador return anyone. No jurisdiction.

Though a US law school professor (Nicole Hallett) says the US Govt can request it. That the El Salvador prison is acting like an agent of the US because the US paid them $6M to take the detainees. She also said that ..... "the US has previously facilitated the return of mistakenly deported individuals."

Like you, I think they will probably lie and say they tried this or that and it didn't work.
But I sure hope that for once they do the right thing.

Can the US return Kilmar Abrego Garcia from El Salvador?

Lawyers and experts say the case has the potential to upend due process for immigrants in the US.

www.bbc.com

Yes, in this case the Trump Administration actually has an agreement 'in place' with the holding nation. The USofA is actually paying 6 million dollars for El Salvador to 'detain' these unconvicted persons in their prison system.

That does not equate into El Salvador just refusing to deport any "random someoneone of their own citizens" to the USofA for trial etc etc.

 

[fred&edna]

i would think it's more than a bit tough to 'facilitate' the return of a declared terrorist back to the us. particularly a judge-affirmed ms-13 gang member who was ordered out of the us in 2019 by that judge, and one who didn't request asylum during the 8 years before the judge ordered him to leave.

just linking this for background

Family of alleged gang member deported to El Salvador prison sues to have him returned to Baltimore

A court battle is brewing in Maryland over the recent arrest and deportation of a purported gang member.

www.wmar2news.com

it does appear that the longer a gang-affiliated person resides illegally in the us, the worse things can get.
jmo

 

[Vern]

Alleged. Key word throughout.

Court has yet to rule, so "alleged" is not removed from the converstaion.

 

[sds71]

JENA, La. (AP) — Immigration judge rules that Columbia University activist Mahmoud Khalil can be deported.

Judge Rules That Columbia University Activist Mahmoud Khalil Can Be Deported

The Trump administration argued that the legal U.S. resident posed a national security risk because of his involvement in protests, even as it admitted his conduct didn't break any laws.

www.huffpost.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910785424194183559

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910788901025046960