People being detained and "exported" by ICE

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I don't think this will happen--it's just theatrics. Maduro already said he will only accept one flight of Venezuelans, and Cuba said the same. IMO - this is just changing the subject to offering a humanitarian solution.

Nothing about this is humanitarian. They are using human beings as props and negotiating tools. That isn't humanitarian when cartels or traffickers do it and sure isn't humanitarian when world leaders do it. They put innocent people in a foreign prison so the leader of that country can exchange these individuals for criminals they want back. It's disgusting, and if there's any justice in the world, every person involved in this sham will be charged and sentenced by an international court.

MOO.
 
His wife and politicians are the only folks I hear defending this gentleman. Makes me wonder why, if he's such a good guy, his neighbors, coworkers, employer or the wife's family, haven't spoken up on his behalf.
Moo

You don't think the reason for that is the fear that ICE has instilled in everyone? This is exactly how these things happen.

MOO.
 
Well, that’s possible.

Given the serious Constitutional violations involved in this policy of shipping Americans to foreign prisons without due process, I’m not sure this particular case is “the hill I want to die on”. There are other valid cases that the media should focus on. JMO

They are focusing on the broader point. But this guy became the "face" of it because he has a family, including an American citizen wife. I don't really care who becomes the face of the movement. It's the concept that matters, no matter how we set the precedent.

MOO.
 
As the US economy bottoms out, US taxpayers must be loving this ... the new immigration enforcement budget in the US is 22 TIMES more than ICE's annual budget.

But, you know, its like Amazon ...


"The acting director of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, Todd Lyons, said at a border security conference in Phoenix last week that the agency needs “to get better at treating this like a business" and suggested the nation's deportation system could function "like Amazon, trying to get your product delivered in 24 hours.”

“So trying to figure out how to do that with human beings and trying to get them pretty much all over the globe is really something for us,” Lyons said.

This month, ICE invited companies to bid on contracts to operate detention centers at sites around the country for up to $45 billion as the agency begins to scale up from its current budget for about 41,000 beds to 100,000 beds.


The House narrowly approved a broad spending bill that includes $175 billion for immigration enforcement, about 22 times ICE's annual budget. "

 
As the US economy bottoms out, US taxpayers must be loving this ... the new immigration enforcement budget in the US is 22 TIMES more than ICE's annual budget.

But, you know, its like Amazon ...


"The acting director of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, Todd Lyons, said at a border security conference in Phoenix last week that the agency needs “to get better at treating this like a business" and suggested the nation's deportation system could function "like Amazon, trying to get your product delivered in 24 hours.”

“So trying to figure out how to do that with human beings and trying to get them pretty much all over the globe is really something for us,” Lyons said.

This month, ICE invited companies to bid on contracts to operate detention centers at sites around the country for up to $45 billion as the agency begins to scale up from its current budget for about 41,000 beds to 100,000 beds.


The House narrowly approved a broad spending bill that includes $175 billion for immigration enforcement, about 22 times ICE's annual budget. "


And exactly how is this going to save $7 trillion dollars and retire the massive US national debt?
 
This month, ICE invited companies to bid on contracts to operate detention centers at sites around the country for up to $45 billion as the agency begins to scale up from its current budget for about 41,000 beds to 100,000 beds.

And at some point “Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”…and it will be our turn to go to a detention center.

JMO
 
And at some point “Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”…and it will be our turn to go to a detention center.

JMO

Well, first they have to winnow out the sick and weak by dropping their Medicaid.

Then they can select the healthy ones for the work farms. Possibly there will be a "fine" for more affluent ones to pay to avoid being sent to a detention center / work farm.
 
And at some point “Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”…and it will be our turn to go to a detention center.

JMO
Presidents have been revoking visas and deporting people for decades. The reaction was crickets. However, now with a President Trump it’s a so-called Constitutional Crisis. A visa is a privilege. Entering the country unlawfully is illegal. 300,000 migrant children are unaccounted for in the U.S Where are the voices for these children? I don’t hear them anywhere.
 
Presidents have been revoking visas and deporting people for decades. The reaction was crickets. However, now with a President Trump it’s a so-called Constitutional Crisis. A visa is a privilege. Entering the country unlawfully is illegal. 300,000 migrant children are unaccounted for in the U.S Where are the voices for these children? I don’t hear them anywhere.
You haven't been here but a minute, so that is a pretty bold assertion. The voices for missing, unaccounted for vulnerable and marginalized children, both citizen and undocumented/illegal ones can be heard throughout the threads on this site.
 
Presidents have been revoking visas and deporting people for decades. The reaction was crickets. However, now with a President Trump it’s a so-called Constitutional Crisis. A visa is a privilege. Entering the country unlawfully is illegal. 300,000 migrant children are unaccounted for in the U.S Where are the voices for these children? I don’t hear them anywhere.
Sure, presidents have always had the power to revoke visas and deport. I don’t see anyone here disputing that. The difference is how it’s done and why. In Trumps first term and now, he’s not just enforcing it. He’s weaponizing it.

In his first term, judges repeatedly ruled against him and his cruel ‘Muslim bans’. His bans were struck down, revised, only to still be called discriminatory by federal courts. Judge Sullivan in DC had to order a plane to turn around because a woman known as ‘Carmen’ was being deported DURING her scheduled asylum hearing. Federal judges have called his use of deportations brutal, unconstitutional, and as many of us here are trying to drive home, a violation of due process.

Even in his first term these were NOT routine deportations. They were unlawful, punitive, cruel, and politically motivated. He openly targeted individuals based on religion race and country of origin, and in his first term, he also ignored court orders when they stood in his way. Now he’s not just going back to his baseline. The Trump admin has escalated even further. He’s publicly promising deportations, military enforcement, and giant detention camps for migrants - and now, apparently ‘home growns’ who draw his ire. And he’s surrounding himself with people who openly believe he’s above the law. He literally campaigned on concepts of authoritarian power.

So yes, a visa is a privilege. Yes, crossing unlawfully is illegal. But mass roundups, child separation, military raids and courts being bypassed is a dangerous precedent.

And don’t think it stops at the border. If immigrants can be detained with no process, so can political dissidents. So can citizens who protest. If we normalize illegal deportations and unchecked executive power, we’re next.

Lastly - you want to talk about 300,000 migrant children? Let’s. Let’s talk about how many of them were lost under Trumps ‘zero tolerance’ policies.

Silence then helped create this crisis. Our silence now gurantees it worsens.

All MOO and sorry for the length.
 
I didn't see this man posted about (maybe missed it, but the name didn't come up in search)

An Immigrant Held in U.S. Custody ‘Has Simply Disappeared’​

The Venezuelan man does not appear on a list of people sent to a prison in El Salvador, and his family and friends have no idea of his whereabouts.

In late January, Ricardo Prada Vásquez, a Venezuelan immigrant working in a delivery job in Detroit, picked up an order at a McDonald’s. He was heading to the address when he erroneously turned onto the Ambassador Bridge, which leads to Canada. It is a common mistake even for those who live in the Michigan border city. But for Mr. Prada, 32, it proved fateful.

The U.S. authorities took Mr. Prada into custody when he attempted to re-enter the country; he was put in detention and ordered deported. On March 15, he told a friend in Chicago that he was among a number of detainees housed in Texas who expected to be repatriated to Venezuela.

That evening, the Trump administration flew three planes carrying Venezuelan migrants from the Texas facility to El Salvador, where they have been ever since, locked up in a maximum-security prison and denied contact with the outside world.

But Mr. Prada has not been heard from or seen. He is not on the list of 238 people who were deported to El Salvador that day. He does not appear in the photos and videos released by the authorities of shackled men with shaved heads.

“He has simply disappeared,” said Javier, a friend in Chicago, the last person with whom Mr. Prada had contact. The friend spoke about Mr. Prada on condition that he be identified only by his middle name, out of fear that he too could be targeted by the immigration authorities."
 
Presidents have been revoking visas and deporting people for decades. The reaction was crickets. However, now with a President Trump it’s a so-called Constitutional Crisis. A visa is a privilege. Entering the country unlawfully is illegal. 300,000 migrant children are unaccounted for in the U.S Where are the voices for these children? I don’t hear them anywhere.
Welcome to Websleuths @R Ross.

The difference that makes this a “Constitutional Crisis” is that court orders are being ignored and defied, which hasn’t been the case until now. Nor have immigrants been exported en masse previously, as they have been now. The United States has the right to enforce its immigration laws…fairly and following the law, which it is not. As for the children, if you check with a mod, perhaps you could start a separate thread on that subject, as it is important. One may already exist.

You replied to my post about detention centers. I was referring to American citizens, since that is what I am, born and raised. The cases discussed here can easily become cases about us based on statements Trump has made. So it’s important to pay attention.

JMO
 
And at some point “Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”…and it will be our turn to go to a detention center.

JMO

This is why it matters to defend those who can’t, and to stop this moment in history from being something they write poetry warning future societies about.
 
If we want to talk about migrant children, here’s some truly sad articles about how they’ve been treated since Trump took over.




So there’s thousands of migrant children who have come here alone, or have been separated from their parents, who are now having to deal with court hearings BY THEMSELVES as the Trump Administration cut funding to one of the biggest contracts it had with a company that provided children with legal representation. The articles mention kids 4 and under who are having to join zoom calls with judges to discuss their own deportation and status updates. It’s actual insanity! So we can talk all about how immigrants have been deported for years but this current administration has done so much damage to the system and fundamentally changed how things have been done for years, to the detriment of children in this country. It’s appalling IMO.
 
Sure, presidents have always had the power to revoke visas and deport. I don’t see anyone here disputing that. The difference is how it’s done and why. In Trumps first term and now, he’s not just enforcing it. He’s weaponizing it.

In his first term, judges repeatedly ruled against him and his cruel ‘Muslim bans’. His bans were struck down, revised, only to still be called discriminatory by federal courts. Judge Sullivan in DC had to order a plane to turn around because a woman known as ‘Carmen’ was being deported DURING her scheduled asylum hearing. Federal judges have called his use of deportations brutal, unconstitutional, and as many of us here are trying to drive home, a violation of due process.

Even in his first term these were NOT routine deportations. They were unlawful, punitive, cruel, and politically motivated. He openly targeted individuals based on religion race and country of origin, and in his first term, he also ignored court orders when they stood in his way. Now he’s not just going back to his baseline. The Trump admin has escalated even further. He’s publicly promising deportations, military enforcement, and giant detention camps for migrants - and now, apparently ‘home growns’ who draw his ire. And he’s surrounding himself with people who openly believe he’s above the law. He literally campaigned on concepts of authoritarian power.

So yes, a visa is a privilege. Yes, crossing unlawfully is illegal. But mass roundups, child separation, military raids and courts being bypassed is a dangerous precedent.

And don’t think it stops at the border. If immigrants can be detained with no process, so can political dissidents. So can citizens who protest. If we normalize illegal deportations and unchecked executive power, we’re next.

Lastly - you want to talk about 300,000 migrant children? Let’s. Let’s talk about how many of them were lost under Trumps ‘zero tolerance’ policies.

Silence then helped create this crisis. Our silence now gurantees it worsens.

All MOO and sorry for the length.
There was no "Muslim ban" under Trump. The ban was against immigration from certain nations that refused to participate in vetting people immigrating here. When someone applies, the US inquires of the originating nation for the immigrant's identity and qualifying information. Certain nations refused to cooperate. People from those nations were "banned." But many Muslim nations did cooperate and their citizens were allowed entry. So, how is that a Muslim ban?
 
Welcome to Websleuths @R Ross.

The difference that makes this a “Constitutional Crisis” is that court orders are being ignored and defied, which hasn’t been the case until now. Nor have immigrants been exported en masse previously, as they have been now. The United States has the right to enforce its immigration laws…fairly and following the law, which it is not. As for the children, if you check with a mod, perhaps you could start a separate thread on that subject, as it is important. One may already exist.

You replied to my post about detention centers. I was referring to American citizens, since that is what I am, born and raised. The cases discussed here can easily become cases about us based on statements Trump has made. So it’s important to pay attention.

JMO
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Americans will never ever be detained in foreign detention centers, ever. To take that serious, if he said it, is paranoia. However, here are those who will be detained in foreign institutions. Here are presidents who have deported illegal immigrants without injuctions.

A constitutional crisis occurs when branches of government clash, potentially breaching the system of checks and balances.

The current administration continues to use the Supreme Court for direction. The Court has ruled the lower Federal District Courts have no standing. They may have said that the Trump administration must “facilitate” his return. However, the President of El Salvador has said that is not happening. To call all this a “Constitutional Crisis” is a stretch.

Deportations

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Trump is the only President where nationwide injunctions have thwarted his duty to protect the citizens and sovereignty of the United States. It’s not about the law, it’s about the man. So, based on the Supreme Courts ruling his administration can continue with the deportation policies of American law. No law ignored.

God Bless you and your family.
 
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Latest reports say they hadn't booked any accommodation.
I think that's lost a bit as the story got around.

They had booked but not for the entire five weeks.
It's kind of like something I would do, if I was going somewhere for that long.
I'd like the freedom of choice, rather than be forced to stay in one spot.
A waste of a holiday.

I don't think they were, naive. I think they were just normal.

Wow what a regimented world we've become.
SHAME


Officials became suspicious of potential illegal work intentions after learning the teens had not booked accommodation for their entire five-week stay in Hawaii, according to Beat of Hawaii.

“They found it suspicious that we hadn't fully booked our accommodations for the entire five weeks in Hawaii,” Pohl said. “We wanted to travel spontaneously. Just like we had done in Thailand and New Zealand.”

Pohl and Lepère say they were handcuffed and given green prison uniforms.
 
As the US economy bottoms out, US taxpayers must be loving this ... the new immigration enforcement budget in the US is 22 TIMES more than ICE's annual budget.

But, you know, its like Amazon ...


"The acting director of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, Todd Lyons, said at a border security conference in Phoenix last week that the agency needs “to get better at treating this like a business" and suggested the nation's deportation system could function "like Amazon, trying to get your product delivered in 24 hours.”

“So trying to figure out how to do that with human beings and trying to get them pretty much all over the globe is really something for us,” Lyons said.

This month, ICE invited companies to bid on contracts to operate detention centers at sites around the country for up to $45 billion as the agency begins to scale up from its current budget for about 41,000 beds to 100,000 beds.


The House narrowly approved a broad spending bill that includes $175 billion for immigration enforcement, about 22 times ICE's annual budget. "


History will remember all who were complicit.
 
I’m surprised you seem to think it was just “a community” of Japanese. The internment/incarceration of west coast Japanese (not just “a community”) in camps during WWII is well known and is considered a stain on our history. I have visited one of the camps, Manzanar, and the living conditions were inhumane.


A presidential commission in 1982 identified race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership as the underlying causes of the government’s internment program. In 1988 the U.S. Congress passed the Civil Liberties Act, which awarded more than 80,000 Japanese Americans $20,000 each to compensate them for the ordeal they had suffered. Congress also issued a formal apology for the government’s policy toward Japanese Americans.
I am late replying to your post, but wanted to thank you for bringing up the internment of the Japanese Americans during WW2. My grandparents and my parents were sent to Manzanar (my parents were yet in their teens, before they started dating). Both my mother and father were US citizens by birth.

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It certainly seems the current deportations are unconstitutional, as well, with the same violations.

jmo
 
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