People being detained and "exported" by ICE

[BeginnerSleuther]

just some snippets from the link report about abrego-garcia and his 'boss' and human trafficking. not so innocent, imo.

TRUTH of Kilmar Abrego Garcia... now linked to a human trafficker

Staring nervously into a Tennessee police trooper's body camera in 2022, Abrego Garcia tried to explain why he had eight other people crammed into his SUV and was driving with a suspended license.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Staring nervously into a Tennessee police trooper's body camera in 2022, Abrego Garcia tried to explain exactly why he had eight other people crammed into his SUV.

He said he had been driving construction workers between jobs for the last three days, starting in Houston, Texas with their final destination being Temple Hills, Maryland, 1,400 miles away.

But the Tennessee highway patrol officer became suspicious when Abrego Garcia allegedly tried to put him 'off track' by responding to questions with questions and pretending he couldn't speak English very well.

According to a police report, there was no luggage in the black Chevrolet Suburban and all of the men gave Abrego Garcia's home address as their address as well.

Abrego Garcia was driving with an expired temporary license and he told the state trooper that the SUV belonged to his boss, Jose Ramon Hernandez Reyes.

So concerned was the trooper that he suspected Abrego Garcia involved in human trafficking and arrested the nine men.

But – due to guidance form the Biden administration's FBI –Abrego Garcia was released with a warning for driving without a valid license.


Now, court and Homeland Security Department intelligence documents seen by Just The News are reportedly revealing more about that stop and Abrego Garcia's 'boss' - a fellow Salvadoran illegal immigrant and convicted human smuggler.

On December 2, 2019, a special agent of the Department of Homeland Security stopped a suspicious white Dodge Caravan minivan with New Mexico plates on a stretch of interstate I-10 in Gautier, Mississippi.

Inside the agent found nine illegal migrant men.

In the passenger seat was sat Jose Ramon Hernandez Reyes – the man that Abergo Garcia reportedly named as his 'boss.'

In August 2020, Hernandez Reyes plead guilty to four counts of 'aiding and abetting the illegal transportation of an alien within the United States' and sentenced to 18 months in federal prison.

He said he had been living in Maryland, where Abrego Garcia lives, before moving to Houston, Texas, a city Abrego Garcia had reportedly said he was thinking about relocating to.


and, another link about the boss man's case

Illegal Alien Sentenced Regarding Smuggling of Illegal Aliens

Gulfport, Miss. – Jose Ramon Hernandez-Reyes, 33, an illegal alien from Mexico, was sentenced yesterday to 18 months imprisonment, followed by 3 years of supervised release, for illegal transportation or moving of an alien.

www.justice.gov

jmo

See, I read things like this and I think "holy cow, they're trying REALLY hard to get us to break the law while trying to convince us Garcia broke the law."

The Supreme Court has ruled 9-0 that everyone gets due process. 9-0. Do you know how rare that is with this Supreme Court? I'm not going to shrug it off because yet another media article comes out trying to defame him for something he was never convicted of 5 years ago.

MOO.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I'm confused on what point you're making? Taxpayers shouldn't pay for illegal immigration? I agree. But can I please have back the 6 million a year we're paying El Salvador to help us kidnap and traffic innocent people? How about the millions we're paying on the illegal deportation flights to El Salv or the flights to shuffle people all over the country in hopes their attorneys can't find them?

MOO.

For my own part as a taxpayer, I would like to please have back the millions of our money that Trump has spent playing golf in this term alone.

This article is two months old. How many more millions have been spent since then?

While Trump slashes jobs, his golf trips are costing taxpayers millions | Mohamad Bazzi

The US president is condemning ‘waste’ and firing workers – while cashing in by traveling to his own resorts

www.theguardian.com

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

There is free speech in the US, unlike many countries, like Canada, etc. But, if you are here on a visa, you must abide by those terms. A lot of latitude was given in the past that isn't being allowed anymore. I travel abroad frequently and I abide by their rules.

And those terms don't allow free speech?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

again. my point, abrego-garcia received due process... in two courts... he was ruled a gang member and ordered to be deported from the us a long time ago. despite that order a-g continued living in the us working for and 'obviously' aiding who we now know was a human-trafficker. abrego-garcia was not a poor innocent, hard-working, law-abiding, loving maryland daddy.

it makes no sense that abrego-garcia needs more due process.

jmo

BBM.

Ruled a gang member? By what court or other legal authority?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

There is no guaranty like the 1st Amendment in the US. Canada has the charter of rights and freedoms but it itself gives the government the authority to limit that right. and who gets to decide that? The government. That is not freedom of speech. True freedom is protect the speech that is NOT popular.

Except the US is supposed to have that, and yet this government feels perfectly free to trample all over it.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It is sickening seeing President Trump being compared to Hitler or what is going on in our country being compared to Nazi Germany. I suggest you visit a holocaust museum and educate yourself on what happened in Germany under Hitler. Unless you are Jewish, like i am, you have no idea what we are going through and how we feel like the world is against us. At least someone is protecting us.

I want to start by saying antisemitism is absolutely wrong. We agree there. And I am sorry that you feel/felt the world is against you.

With that said, while I'm glad you feel protected, many in the country do not.

It's sickening seeing that defended.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

again. my point, abrego-garcia received due process... in two courts... he was ruled a gang member and ordered to be deported from the us a long time ago.

No matter how many times you repeat it, this will never be true. He was not ruled to be a gang member. In fact, he was not found guilty of any crime whatsoever. It's all administration propaganda to get support in their illegal endeavors that even the Supreme Court voted unanimously against.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I'm glad you feel protected. Many in the country do not. It's sickening seeing that defended.

MOO.

It's kind of weird to me that someone would feel protected by the same president who defended the marchers at Charlottesville who chanted "Jews will not replace us!" as "very fine people."

Trump defends 2017 'very fine people' comments, calls Robert E. Lee 'a great general'

President Trump maintains that he “answered perfectly” when he said there were “very fine people on both sides” of clashes resulted from a white supremacist rally in Char

abcnews.go.com

 

[IzzyBlanche]

No matter how many times you repeat it, this will never be true. He was not ruled to be a gang member. In fact, he was not found guilty of any crime whatsoever. It's all administration propaganda to get support in their illegal endeavors that even the Supreme Court voted unanimously against.

IIRC, he's never even been charged with a crime, much less convicted.

 

[Lilibet]

again. my point, abrego-garcia received due process... in two courts... he was ruled a gang member and ordered to be deported from the us a long time ago. despite that order a-g continued living in the us working for and 'obviously' aiding who we now know was a human-trafficker. abrego-garcia was not a poor innocent, hard-working, law-abiding, loving maryland daddy.

it makes no sense that abrego-garcia needs more due process.

jmo

Much more detail at the link. Well worth reading.

Due Process and the Abrego Garcia Case - FactCheck.org

The Supreme Court ruled on the evening of April 10 that the Trump administration must comply with a lower court's order to "facilitate" the release from custody of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, an immigrant who was deported without a hearing to a mega prison in El Salvador. The case underscores...

www.factcheck.org

It’s true that Abrego Garcia received due process after being apprehended in 2019 — ultimately getting a judgment of withholding from removal — but he was not given due process before being removed from the country in March.

“The government could have presented its evidence before an immigration judge, the federal district court in Maryland, or in criminal proceedings as it has done in prosecuting cases of other alleged MS-13 members,” foreign affairs expert Tom Joscelyn and law professor Ryan Goodman recently explained in the online publication Just Security.
<snip>

Bondi overstated the findings from the bond hearing when she said in the Oval Office meeting, “In 2019, two courts — an immigration court and an appellate immigration court — ruled that he was a member of MS-13.” The courts didn’t “rule” on the issue; rather, they said that the report relied upon by DHS was inconsistent but “appears to be trustworthy” enough to deny bond.

A different immigration judge handled Abrego Garcia’s asylum claim. That judge didn’t rule on the issue of whether or not the government had proved Abrego Garcia was a member of MS-13, but the judge reviewed all the evidence presented in the case and found that Abrego Garcia “provided credible responses to the questions asked” and that his testimony was “consistent with his asylum application and other documents.” The judge didn’t grant asylum because Abrego Garcia had filed his application seven years after entering the U.S., “well-beyond the one-year filing deadline.”

However, the judge did grant him “withholding of removal,” which is a form of relief for migrants who fear persecution, as explained by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. Such a ruling prevents deportation to a person’s home country and allows that person the right to remain in the U.S. and work legally, but according to the American Immigration Council, “the government is still allowed to deport that person to a different country if the other country agrees to accept them.” It does not allow a path to permanent residence or citizenship in the U.S.

The judge found that Abrego Garcia had “suffered past persecution as he was threatened with death on more than one occasion” and that “the facts here show that the Barrio 18 gang continues to threaten and harass the Abrego family over these several years, and does so even though the family has moved three times.” The judge ruled that he could not be sent back to a country where he would be likely to suffer persecution.

The government did not appeal that ruling, and Abrego Garcia has been living and working in Maryland ever since.
BBM

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Facts are stubborn things.

 

[sapphire blue]

Oh it absolutely was intentional. This administration is incompetent, but they're also cruel AF.

MOO.

The cruelty is very deliberate - it is designed to create fear and division. It’s a darn shame people are too blinded to see that if the government are allowed to ignore the law the those illegally deported what will they be allowed to get away with next - who are they going to target.

 

[sapphire blue]

again. my point, abrego-garcia received due process... in two courts... he was ruled a gang member and ordered to be deported from the us a long time ago. despite that order a-g continued living in the us working for and 'obviously' aiding who we now know was a human-trafficker. abrego-garcia was not a poor innocent, hard-working, law-abiding, loving maryland daddy.

it makes no sense that abrego-garcia needs more due process.

jmo

You keep saying he was ruled a gang member and human trafficker, yet you’ve provided zero evidence of any courts finding him to be either of those. He has not been found to be either of those, other than by hearsay, slander and defamation.

Due process is not a one time thing, he has not received due process, instead he has been illegally kidnapped and removed - trafficked to a prison in another country even though he has not been tried or found guilty of committing any crimes.

 

[SouthAussie]

You keep saying he was ruled a gang member and human trafficker, yet you’ve provided zero evidence of any courts finding him to be either of those. He has not been found to be either of those, other than by hearsay, slander and defamation.

Due process is not a one time thing, he has not received due process, instead he has been illegally kidnapped and removed to a prison in another country even though he has not been tried or found guilty of committing any crimes.

AND he has been trafficked to the country for which he was specifically assured (by court order) that he could not be deported to.

"If you take him and a few hundred others, we'll give you $6M a year".

Couldn't be much worse of a situation for Abrego Garcia.

imo

 

[sapphire blue]

AND he has been trafficked to the country for which he was specifically assured (by court order) that he could not be deported to.

Couldn't be much worse of a situation for Abrego Garcia.

imo

Exactly

and now his wife and children have had to be moved to a safe house because the government released her address publicly putting her and the children at risk. It’s Deliberate endangerment by the government, and she is a US Citizen!

 

[Lilibet]

The cruelty is very deliberate

The cruelty is the point. Trump and his minions LOVE being cruel. It makes them feel powerful.

 

[SouthAussie]

"As Donald Trump’s 100 days in office approach, Human Rights Watch has issued a list of what it describes as 100 harmful actions taken by the administration, in what it calls “a relentless barrage of actions that violate, threaten, or undermine the human rights of people in the US and abroad”

Human Rights Watch said its compilation of harm from the first 100 days of the Trump administration included “attacks on free speech, the rights of asylum seekers and immigrants, health, environmental, and social protections, education, foreign aid and humanitarian assistance, and the rule of law.” "

Donald Trump threat to reimpose reciprocal tariffs within weeks reopens economic uncertainty – US politics live

US president says any country that hasn’t signed a deal in the next two or three weeks will be hit by a tariff

www.theguardian.com

 

[GatorFL]

100% spin. They did NOT overstay. The State Department revoked their Visa without due process. Lets not spread misinformation.

The State Department can revoke a visa without due process. SOS has discretionary authority to do so.

 

[GatorFL]

How are these students illegal exactly? They have not been charged with any crime.

I thought the US was all about free speech, it appears that it’s only free speech if you fall into line with the current governments doctrines.

1984 thoughtspeech and thoughtcrime writ loud

I don't know nor care what either of them said. To me, if you don't have a visa, you're here illegally and need to go.

 

[Trooper]

I don't know nor care what either of them said. To me, if you don't have a visa, you're here illegally and need to go.

Isn't that what one has qualified judges for?? to decide these things??