People being detained and "exported" by ICE

[SouthAussie]

A 4 year old has no idea how to operate a zoom meeting. That’s ridiculous. You can believe that the sky is falling. That’s up to you.

I am pretty sure it was explained earlier that a shelter worker is the one who helps them log on and sits with them. No legal representation.


Children as young as four years old are attending virtual immigration court without a parent, guardian, or legal representation.

New York migrant shelter workers help children log on to computers, where a judge attempts to explain "rights," "asylum," and deportation in kid-friendly language.

"The reason we're here is because the government of the United States wants you to leave the United States," immigration judge Ubaid ul-Haq told a group of children in a hearing Gothamist reported. Some of the child defendants played with a toy or squirmed in their chairs.

Young Children Forced to Appear in Immigration Court Without Parents, Lawyers: 'The Cruelty Is Really Apparent'

Children as young as four years old are attending virtual immigration court without a parent, guardian, or legal representation following funding cuts.

www.latintimes.com

 

[SouthAussie]

The State Department can revoke a visa without due process. SOS has discretionary authority to do so.

The SOS can only revoke the student visas if they violate the terms of their visa.

What Rubio is leaning on is this ..... (U) INA 212(a)(3)(C) allows the Secretary of State to exclude, under certain circumstances, any applicant whose entry or proposed activities in the United States would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States.

This is why many of these students have enlisted legal help, because they have done nothing that should have serious adverse foreign policy consequences.

I anticipate a "free speech" argument against a "serious adverse foreign policy consequences" argument in the courts - when the cases eventually get to the courts.

9 FAM 302.14 (U) INELIGIBILITY BASED ON SANCTIONED ACTIVITIES - INA 212(A)(3)(C), INA 212(F), 7031(C), AND GLOBAL MAGNITSKY

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/19/us/visa-revoked-students-trump-ice/index.html

 

[appleatcha]

It is sickening seeing President Trump being compared to Hitler or what is going on in our country being compared to Nazi Germany. I suggest you visit a holocaust museum and educate yourself on what happened in Germany under Hitler. Unless you are Jewish, like i am, you have no idea what we are going through and how we feel like the world is against us. At least someone is protecting us.

I'm truly sorry you're afraid, but so are lots of other people, many of whom also belong to groups that were killed en masse during the Holocaust. For example, many people with disabilities are very worried about the pro-eugenics propaganda being spouted by Trump and RFK because it does so closely emulate the propaganda that led to the sterilization, torture, and deaths of hundreds of thousands of people with disabilities, from all religions and ethnicities, under Hitler. Personally, when I compare Trump to Hitler, I'm thinking mostly of them. The fact that there are different groups being set up for genocide today than 90 years ago makes little difference.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

I'm truly sorry you're afraid, but so are lots of other people, many of whom also belong to groups that were killed en masse during the Holocaust. For example, many people with disabilities are very worried about the pro-eugenics propaganda being spouted by Trump and RFK because it does so closely emulate the propaganda that led to the sterilization, torture, and deaths of hundreds of thousands of people with disabilities, from all religions and ethnicities, under Hitler. Personally, when I compare Trump to Hitler, I'm thinking mostly of them. The fact that there are different groups being set up for genocide today than 90 years ago makes little difference.

I am right here with you. My partner is disabled and is very fearful of someone knocking on a door to take her away to a camp. Don't know why OP framed it like Jewish people were the only ones impacted by the Holocaust. JMO

 

[sapphire blue]

I don't know nor care what either of them said. To me, if you don't have a visa, you're here illegally and need to go.

They were international students, with student visas until the government decided to use them to suit its anti immigrant agenda. Seems people don’t think about the benefits those students provide to the US economy - via the course fees they pay, the accomodation they pay for, the money they spend in the community and if they are allowed to work the taxes they pay.
kicking them out during their studies when they haven’t committed a criminal offence is ridiculous, are you suggesting it would be acceptable if it was done to you?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

The State Department can revoke a visa without due process. SOS has discretionary authority to do so.

There has to be a reason behind it. They can't just revoke, detain, and deport for sport.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I don't know nor care what either of them said. To me, if you don't have a visa, you're here illegally and need to go.

But that's just ignorance of the immigration process and the law. People don't have to have a visa to be here legally. That's the whole point of asylum and refugee status. But without due process, explanations like the above are what we get. SMH.

Six ways to legally enter the US and possibly obtain a green card

There are many ways to enter the U.S. legally and obtain a visa or a residency card. Here are six of them.

abc7news.com

 

[fred&edna]

How does any of this justify him not receiving due process?

he received due process in two different us courts - all info i have posted previously in this thread. abrego-garcia was ruled an ms13 gang member and ordered to be deported. i have no idea how much additional due process others here think a terrorist gang-member with deportation orders should be given.... especially when they ignore orders, stay here illegally with a wife reporting physical abuse more than once, and they continue to participate in illegal activity,

nothing affords him additional due process than he's already received.

jmo

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

he received due process in two different us courts - all info i have posted previously in this thread.

Incorrect. You are refusing to actually address the replies to this false assertion. He did NOT receive due process prior to deportation. Even the Supreme Court said so.

abrego-garcia was ruled an ms13 gang member and ordered to be deported.

Inaccurate. He was never, ever ruled to be an MS 13 gang member. You are defaming a man based on lies the administration has told.

i have no idea how much additional due process others here think a terrorist gang-member with deportation orders should be given....

He never had deportation orders.

especially when they ignore orders, stay here illegally with a wife reporting physical abuse more than once, and they continue to participate in illegal activity,

He was not here illegally when he was picked up. He had LEGAL status.

nothing affords him additional due process than he's already received.

jmo

Nine judges of the highest court in the land voted unanimously that your take is incorrect.

JMO.,

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

he received due process in two different us courts - all info i have posted previously in this thread. abrego-garcia was ruled an ms13 gang member and ordered to be deported. i have no idea how much additional due process others here think a terrorist gang-member with deportation orders should be given.... especially when they ignore orders, stay here illegally with a wife reporting physical abuse more than once, and they continue to participate in illegal activity,

nothing affords him additional due process than he's already received.

jmo

His previous court trials have nothing to do with due process for being sent to a prison outside of this country. The judge said the gang member issue was not valid nor did he believe it was true. Why is there an issue with a foreigner "ignoring" orders but it's okay for the administration to ignore orders from the Supreme Court? You're showing that you don't understand how the legal and immigration systems work in this country.

Do you understand the simple fact that he could have abused his wife 50000 times (even though she has already said it's not the case) , and he STILL is owed due process. Do I need to define due process? There seems to be some confusion. JMO

 

[MrsWatson]

Abrego Garcia’s Wife Forced to Go Into Hiding Thanks to Team Trump

Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s wife says she fears for her safety since the Trump administration deported him to a prison in El Salvador.

newrepublic.com

The wife of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador by the Trump administration, was forced to move to a safe house with her children, after the government posted their home address to social media.

Vasquez Sura, a U.S. citizen, is now staying in an undisclosed location with her three children while Abrego Garcia remains thousands of miles away, despite a Supreme Court order requiring the U.S. government to facilitate his return. Both the Trump administration and Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele say that Abrego Garcia will not be coming back to the U.S., and Vasquez Sura has received hateful comments and taunts on social media.

 

[fred&edna]

His previous court trials have nothing to do with due process for being sent to a prison outside of this country. The judge said the gang member issue was not valid nor did he believe it was true. Why is there an issue with a foreigner "ignoring" orders but it's okay for the administration to ignore orders from the Supreme Court? You're showing that you don't understand how the legal and immigration systems work in this country.

Do you understand the simple fact that he could have abused his wife 50000 times (even though she has already said it's not the case) , and he STILL is owed due process. Do I need to define due process? There seems to be some confusion. JMO

he was ordered to be deported outside of the us.

according to the alien enemies act - under which he was finally deported - he received due process to which he was entitled. there was sufficient cause the alien be removed... bbm.

<Modsnip: Removed false accusation regarding human trafficking>

§23. Jurisdiction of United States courts and judges​

After any such proclamation has been made, the several courts of the United States, having criminal jurisdiction, and the several justices and judges of the courts of the United States, are authorized and it shall be their duty, upon complaint against any alien enemy resident and at large within such jurisdiction or district, to the danger of the public peace or safety, and contrary to the tenor or intent of such proclamation, or other regulations which the President may have established, to cause such alien to be duly apprehended and conveyed before such court, judge, or justice; and after a full examination and hearing on such complaint, and sufficient cause appearing, to order such alien to be removed out of the territory of the United States, or to give sureties for his good behavior, or to be otherwise restrained, conformably to the proclamation or regulations established as aforesaid, and to imprison, or otherwise secure such alien, until the order which may be so made shall be performed.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title50/chapter3&edition=prelim#:~:text=%C2%A721.-,Restraint%2C%20regulation%2C%20and%20removal,and%20for%20the%20public%20safety.

jmo

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'm thinking right now of all the people who might be living in fear.

 

[Sillybilly]

he was ordered to be deported outside of the us.

according to the alien enemies act - under which he was finally deported - he received due process to which he was entitled. there was sufficient cause the alien be removed... bbm.

<Modsnip: Removed false accusation regarding human trafficking>

§23. Jurisdiction of United States courts and judges​

After any such proclamation has been made, the several courts of the United States, having criminal jurisdiction, and the several justices and judges of the courts of the United States, are authorized and it shall be their duty, upon complaint against any alien enemy resident and at large within such jurisdiction or district, to the danger of the public peace or safety, and contrary to the tenor or intent of such proclamation, or other regulations which the President may have established, to cause such alien to be duly apprehended and conveyed before such court, judge, or justice; and after a full examination and hearing on such complaint, and sufficient cause appearing, to order such alien to be removed out of the territory of the United States, or to give sureties for his good behavior, or to be otherwise restrained, conformably to the proclamation or regulations established as aforesaid, and to imprison, or otherwise secure such alien, until the order which may be so made shall be performed.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title50/chapter3&edition=prelim#:~:text=%C2%A721.-,Restraint%2C%20regulation%2C%20and%20removal,and%20for%20the%20public%20safety.

jmo

The preceding Section 21 states:

<§21. Restraint, regulation, and removal​

Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government ... >

Where is the formal declaration of war and what foreign nation or government is the war against?

 

[fred&edna]

The preceding Section 21 states:

<§21. Restraint, regulation, and removal​

Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government ... >

Where is the formal declaration of war and what foreign nation or government is the war against?

the topic being discussed by the o/p directed to me was regarding due process and precisely my reason for posting that particular section. heck, i would have posted the entire aea if only i'd known.

at the heart of all of this is... imo, of course and respectfully... i think some people see victims and illegal criminals as two different things.
jmo

 

[sapphire blue]

he received due process in two different us courts - all info i have posted previously in this thread. abrego-garcia was ruled an ms13 gang member and ordered to be deported. i have no idea how much additional due process others here think a terrorist gang-member with deportation orders should be given.... especially when they ignore orders, stay here illegally with a wife reporting physical abuse more than once, and they continue to participate in illegal activity,

nothing affords him additional due process than he's already received.

jmo

why do you continue to post the same misinformation but not provide any factual evidence of him being a terrorist gang member? He was not there illegally. He did not currently receive due process.

If you make a claim you should be able to back it up with facts and evidence.

 

[sapphire blue]

‘The idea that the government can simply assert that people on American soil, possibly including American citizens or legal residents, are criminals or terrorists runs completely counter to our legal system. The government has broad authority to deport illegal immigrants. It also has the authority to put convicted criminals in any prison it deems appropriate. It doesn’t have any authority to put people in prison without first proving — in court — that they are charging the right person and then convicting them of a crime.’

Column: Is Kilmar Abrego Garcia a criminal? Great question

That's why he should be in a U.S. court, not a Salvadoran prison: He, like anyone accused of a crime, needs a chance to be convicted or cleared.

www.latimes.com

Habeas corpus.

 

[Arkay]

I am right here with you. My partner is disabled and is very fearful of someone knocking on a door to take her away to a camp. Don't know why OP framed it like Jewish people were the only ones impacted by the Holocaust. JMO

I’ve stayed out of this entire forum, but need to say that while I understand your partner is in fear and anguish, and I truly empathize, please don’t minimize what Hitler was about.

He wanted a world of perfect Aryans, yes, so he did kill the disabled, Roma etc.

That does not diminish that his main goal, the Final Solution, was in fact to exterminate all Jews from the earth. Some of my mother’s relatives were killed in the Holocaust.

I am a lifelong Jewish New Yorker who does NOT like Trump, to be clear. I do not agree with 95% of what he does.

But this is also the first time in my entire life that as a Jew, I do not feel safe even in NYC.

As bad as Trump is, he is not throwing people into ovens or having people dig their own graves for when they are mowed down.

IMO it’s Musk who is even more of the problem. He’s a eugenics guy who is looking to repopulate the earth with what he considers intelligent people, hence his army of children that he’s creating.

I agree with @jbirner that Jewish people are once again no longer safe anywhere.

I don’t intend to say more on this topic but IMO there is no equating Hitler with Trump, and the main thrust for Hitler was indeed Jews.

That does not take away from my good wishes for your partner’s well-being.

My opinion and experience.

 

[tlcya]

The Trump administration has been ordered, for a second time, to facilitate the return of a man deported to El Salvador.
[snip]
U.S. District Judge Stephanie Gallagher ruled that Cristian is entitled to due process under a settlement that resulted from a class-action lawsuit. The settlement allowed certain migrants to remain in the U.S. while their asylum applications were processed.
[snip]
Gallagher was appointed to be a District Court Judge by President Trump in 2019 and confirmed by the Senate.
Trump admin ordered to facilitate return of another man deported to El Salvador

 

[Simply Southern]

The preceding Section 21 states:

<§21. Restraint, regulation, and removal​

Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government ... >

Where is the formal declaration of war and what foreign nation or government is the war against?

Signed Jan 20th. Shortly after the inauguration ceremony. Covered under....BBM..or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted

Designating Cartels And Other Organizations As Foreign Terrorist Organizations And Specially Designated Global Terrorists

DESIGNATING CARTELS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND SPECIALLY DESIGNATED GLOBAL TERRORISTS By the authority vested in me as

www.whitehouse.gov

Designating Cartels And Other Organizations As Foreign Terrorist Organizations And Specially Designated Global Terrorists
The White House
January 20, 2025
DESIGNATING CARTELS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND SPECIALLY DESIGNATED GLOBAL TERRORISTS

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq., the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA),50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq. it is hereby ordered:

Section 1. Purpose. This order creates a process by which certain international cartels (the Cartels) and other organizations will be designated as Foreign Terrorist Organizations, consistent with section 219 of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1189), or Specially Designated Global Terrorists, consistent with IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702) and Executive Order 13224 of September 23, 2001 (Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions With Persons Who Commit, Threaten to Commit, or Support Terrorism), as amended.