Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #10

[3doglady]

My understanding (and with this case who knows) is that on the 10th the FBI was continuing their sting. Possibly going for higher or additional charges. They kept Aruba informed of their investigation. Aruba knew he was traveling out of the country, did not detain him, and did not inform the FBI of his plans to leave.

As you said "who Knows" ? I had heard that Aruba notified the FBI that Joran was leaving and they did not ask to detain him. With the way these reporters get everything twisted I really have no clue. I was just relaying what was said on GVS.

 

[karma-girl]

Someone posted the links for info on peruvian prisons in one of the earlier threads, I lost my bookmark for it... or am just having a special day... can anyone help me out?

Post #227 on page 9 or 10 of this thread.

 

[cat thief]

Well the $25,000.00 went to Joran and he spent it!

Yea that's another thing. Joran went through 25K in 3 weeks. He was not a good gambler.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Yea well I will believe it when I see it. He's been telling many stories of what had happened to Natalee so even if he tells one more I doubt it will be the truth.

IF he gives it up about NH - it should be in front of BOTH Peruvian AND Aruban authorities. Then, they will check out his "latest" story. IF it pans out - he's done.

I don't think he'll ever give it up about Natalee. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit - but he's got to be smart enough to know the only reason they are keeping him alive (with steaks and cigs, I might add) is because the entire world wants that info. Once its out - he can't take it back and "the world" no longer has any need to keep him around.

But I will continue to pray that he's not that smart and does start spilling.

 

[seagull65]

It's amazing that he once again put himself in a position of having "strong knowledge" of NH's murder. You'd think a murderer would run, top speed, AWAY from LE. The young man seems to be hell bent on presenting himself as a principal in NH's death.....as demonstrated by this extortion plot. You'd think he'd want to distance himself as much as possible from the case and yet.....we find out.....he was basically terrorizing NH's family by contacting them recently. I think that young man is likely more deranged than we really realize.

I agree, either deranged when on drugs or when needing drugs, or just mentally ill or has some kind of disorder. He seems to say whatever people want to hear, with no fear of incriminating himself, even if it means going to prison in a place where he will suffer terribly. He doesn't know how to serve his own interests, just the opposite. And it's in direct contrast to his intelligence and level of knowledge. I wonder what's wrong with him. I mean,does he have a compulsive disorder, some bizarre violent urge or obsession that he can't control/resist, as well as a compulsion to get himself caught? to incriminate himself? to attract the attention of the law?...or on the other hand maybe he has episodes where he doesn't know what he's doing if he gets tired enough or is on certain drugs. Maybe he has a disorder where he has flashback type rages or violent reactions to some stimuli. Maybe he has blackouts. Maybe just gets so desperate for drugs that he will kill for someone's spare change. Or will say that he killed if someone will pay him. Maybe none of the above. Of course all of this just my speculation and only if he did commit these crimes. Why does an intelligent person go and do these things, even if he didn't commit the murders, for example, why would he have even taken part in that attempt to traffic women to the Netherlands for prostitution? That's weird enough in itself. He's suspected for one crime, a crime against a woman, should be keeping an incredibly low profile, but instead goes and tries to get into the business of trafficking prostitutes. Then travels to another place and supposedly commits another murder for no reason except I guess to get himself locked up in a torturous prison for many years? (Allegedly of course, we don't know for sure if he has committed any murder.) I wonder about his weird fascination with the idea of selling women. Claimed that's what he'd done with Natalee. Went and attempted to traffic in women in Thailand, etc... Weird.

 

[passionflower]

IMO, JVS will lie about NH just to get his butt out of Peru and back to Aruba.

 

[newone]

http://www.keyc.com/node/38356

formally charged with murder

 

[Patty G]

To find anything I posted or uploaded, just click on my name and select "find all posts" and you'll find the videos.

 

[Patty G]

Is anyone else experiencing problems with the forum?

 

[suzihawk]

http://www.todayonline.com/Breaking...oot-ready-to-confess-in-US-teen-Holloway-case

Now he's ready to confess to Aruban authorities according to this

Yea well I will believe it when I see it. He's been telling many stories of what had happened to Natalee so even if he tells one more I doubt it will be the truth.

Yawn...

re: Natalee - I did it. I didn't do it. Sold her into slavery. Threw her in the ocean. Fell off a balcony. Buried under a house. Wait... I lied.

re: Stephany - I didn't do it. Chilean police killed her. I did it, she hit me. I robbed her. Wait... I lied.

 

[passionflower]

What time zone is Peru in?
Same as Calif???

 

[karma-girl]

http://www.keyc.com/node/38356

formally charged with murder

...at 8:51 pm??? How in the world did that get past all of us? I just googled and am not finding anything on this...anyone else?

ps. I am also having a lot of issues on the board tonight, when I refresh it takes forever to load or boots me, so if I disappear I will just say my goodnights to all of you now. lol.

 

[epiphany]

Is anyone else experiencing problems with the forum?

yes, i am.

 

[Nana46]

Is anyone else experiencing problems with the forum?

I am Patty.

 

[jilly]

And, its been stated many times already, but for some reason GVS keeps on trying to stir the pot. What's up with that?
:waitasec:

That's what I would like to know!

 

[catlover]

I'm having problems too

 

[jilly]

What time zone is Peru in?
Same as Calif???

They're 2 hrs ahead of Ca.

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

Just curious...because the FBI was involved will we ever know where that money went? Knowing that may establish JVS's state of mind (other than the obvious) at the time of the murder.

Ahh...good question. I never really thought about it from that perspective...can't seem to get away from the "would've, should've, could've"...lol..

It's certainly a thought provoking question. In most "stings" isn't the money "ear marked" and traceable? I haven't read / seen anything in this case to indicate that this money might have been...in fact, I'm not even sure how they would do that via wire transfer. So, not sure we will ever really know where it went...but agree, if we know what he was spending it on, it might tell a little more about his mindset.

This also made me wonder...did he have any money in the bank or left at all? I know about the statement(s) from friends re: he's broke...but not sure how true that might be. But...I'm confident his accts have been checked by now and if there was money there / left with all this "sting" "extortion" news, I'm sure we would've heard it by now.

According to the Affidavit (http://media.al.com/spotnews/other/...ortion case against Joran van der Sloot.pdf):

$100 - April 15th
$10,000 - May 10th
$15,000 - May 10th

All I can surmise is he lost big...if he doesn't have any $ left. Losing that much, that fast gambling...might have very well been "a trigger"...one of many, IMO.

 

[PorcineGranny]

UMMMM, I think Joran understands very well now what will happen to him and he will tell anything, although I believe its the truth, about Natalie to try to get out of Peru. I pray Peru will not release him to Aruba.

 

[Patty G]

From GVS:

FBI was in the next room and videotaped the transaction with John Q Kelly and Joran. FBI did not move.

Why would they move? They can't arrest him, all they can do is investigate what is going on and continue on until they get enough evidence.

Although I feel the $10,000.00 should have been enough, but it seems, at that time, with whatever was worked out, Kelly gave Joran the $10,000.00 as "bait" to show they are agreeing to go forward to pay for the information. Then they wired the $15,000.00, however, Joran left and the "sting" lost it's "stinger".