Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #10

[suzihawk]

I think it's his way of saying he wants to go back to Aruba!

 

[newone]

Are there any other links indicating this information? FOX, CNN, etc., etc.

CBS Fox Affiliate 12 is the only thing I find on that site -
video doesn't say any source
I am looking for more

 

[karma-girl]

Are there any other links indicating this information? FOX, CNN, etc., etc.

nothing yet...

 

[Nancy2441]

But I did just see this. Is this old information?

Police: Van Der Sloot knows location of Holloway's body

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/10/peru.van.der.sloot.admission/index.html?hpt=T1

 

[georger]

bolded by me....It has been my opinion..that he killed her..because she refused to give/loan him money.....being that he was pleading with others that he was broke....not of the computer files...

I hope this is TRUE of the latest news...I was hoping the police would interrogate him more...and see thru his lies...and putting all the scene, evidence, together....and arriving at their conclusion...th real reason..

Perhaps Joran knew he could not re create the scene the way his confession said it went...These Peruvian police KNOW he was trying to get the lesser sentence...

I am waitng with the rest of you...to see how he will be charged..

The police said at the outset they thought the motive was robbery
because they know Flores won $5000 cash that night and had it on her
but the room search found her billfold empty.

How could he have been broke? Mrs Holloway had just given him
$10-$25,000 in Aruba?

 

[passionflower]

Did anyone figure out when jvs bleached his hair???

 

[3doglady]

I thought Aruba didn't notify the FBI until he was either already gone or out the door, so to speak. Either way, by that time, it was too late.

I think the point being made on GVS was that the FBI knew Joran traveled to other countries. The FBI knew Joran had just been given funds which would enable him to travel. The FBI had all they needed on May 10th to request Aruba detain him and they did not. (not my opinion just stating what I heard)

Anyway I'm sure I'll get set straight tomorrow because Geraldo investigates this on O'Reilly. LOL

 

[Solomisskitty]

Venting now - thank you for reading.......Catching up - and I skip a lot of pages just getting to the latest, but now in MOHO - I really don't think at this point we will ever know what really happened to Natalie. Since she vanished I have voiced many times to my friends that I soooo hope her fate is finally known and she and her family can be at peace. Anger fuels my hope. It could have been me. It could have you. It could have been my/your daughter, sister. Sadly, at this point, I don't believe her true fate will ever be known. If the truth were ever told would we believe it coming from Joran? I don't think so....Will we know exactly the scenario that led to Stephany's demise? Forensics, testimony, surveillance will be our best bet determining the truth, not Joran.

So many posters stating that they hope the worst for Joran in prison. If my family were directly victimized, I would probably agree - no, I would agree. But standing at a distance, I agree with the posters that no matter what monstrous actions he acted on, he is still flesh and blood as we are. We demand that our prisons and jails treat the inmates as human beings. How many of us have known folks that have been jailed for DUI, drugs, domestic violence or whatever? Don't we still demand these people be treated as human beings? It's common knowledge that here in the US the prisons are the dumping ground for the mentally insane. Are Peru's prisons any different? Joran's fate is not in our hands. I do not wish Peru's prisons to be his hell...nor hell for any of the imprisoned there. Judgement for all will come later.

Sleuth on....

 

[CajunGirl]

But I did just see this. Is this old information?

Police: Van Der Sloot knows location of Holloway's body

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/10/peru.van.der.sloot.admission/index.html?hpt=T1

interesting...the last paragraph said that the house where JVS said NH's body was.... was not built at the time she went missing... then later admitted that he lied... well what if she is buried UNDER the foundation of that home... which is why "she would never be found"

 

[impatientredhead]

I think Mark Furhman gave the best information regarding the FBI and what they can and can't do. Heck, the FBI can a better statement of what they can and can't do.

I think people think the FBI are the local cops and just can arrest anyone. The FBI was in another country, they had no jurisdiction in and dealing with a foreigner of that country. Like they said, he is not a US citizen and it is not our country.

Lawyers are lawyers, most have never been in law enforcement.

I would love to see the lawyers sitting across from the FBI and I'll sit record it.

http://clintvanzandt.newsvine.com/_...cord-straight-joran-van-der-sloot-and-the-fbi

This article explains the FBI issue very well.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

I think the point being made on GVS was that the FBI knew Joran traveled to other countries. The FBI knew Joran had just been given funds which would enable him to travel. The FBI had all they needed on May 10th to request Aruba detain him and they did not. (not my opinion just stating what I heard)

Anyway I'm sure I'll get set straight tomorrow because Geraldo investigates this on O'Reilly. LOL

The last time Aruba detained Joran he had confessed to possibly tossing a live Natalee in the ocean. The court in the Netherlands forced Aruba to release him AND pay him compensation for the detention. So do you really think they would detain him for a financial crime for which they could not extradict him?? Detain him for what reason?? He could not be extradicted to the US so under what possible legal authority would Aruba have to detain him? And please everyone, don't quote the talking heads on NG, Greta or any other of the newsmagazine shows because they lie, lie, lie, it is all about ratings and creating news, & seriously, they are simply a pool of misinformation! (imho of course)

 

[impatientredhead]

The police said at the outset they thought the motive was robbery
because they know Flores won $5000 cash that night and had it on her
but the room search found her billfold empty.

How could he have been broke? Mrs Holloway had just given him
$10-$25,000 in Aruba?

He is a gambler and possible drug user.
Both expensive hobbies.

 

[suzihawk]

The sociopath I was involved with had been babied and coddled for many years by his parents. I think that's where the sense of entitlement comes from. They can't understand why everyone doesn't give them everything, after all mommy and daddy do.

Which is why I've always wondered whether it's 'nature vs. nuture'. Are they born a sociopath or is it bred - or both? I tend to think it's more nurture. Certainly is the case with JVDS, Scott Peterson and a number of others I can't think of at the moment.

 

[georger]

Seriously - I wish he'd just give the CORRECT information for once and then go off and disappear. He is an awful human being and a total waste of space and I (like a lot of you!) are sick and tired of his STUPID STORIES!!!

I think this guy fits the classic Colonialist upper crust profile and
sees just about everyone else as inferior to him, and he treats them
accordingly. I wonder if he has any real education or skills at all vrs.
his class rank and feeling of superiority. He gambled on the internet
and proved poor at that. (His gambling nyms have been found by hackers!) He was fine as long as he was on Aruba under his Daddy's
protection. He strikes me as a lost soul operating on delusions and
totally unfitted to exist in the real world outside of Colonial privelege
and rank. He probably thinks: "The indians have me" and he probably
is wishing for a John Wayne tocome rescue him ... or the Dutch Army!

 

[nums24]

Joran Charged with Murder!


http://translate.google.com/transla..._hel_van_Lima__.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

 

[RR0004]

Venting now - thank you for reading.......Catching up - and I skip a lot of pages just getting to the latest, but now in MOHO - I really don't think at this point we will ever know what really happened to Natalie. Since she vanished I have voiced many times to my friends that I soooo hope her fate is finally known and she and her family can be at peace. Anger fuels my hope. It could have been me. It could have you. It could have been my/your daughter, sister. Sadly, at this point, I don't believe her true fate will ever be known. If the truth were ever told would we believe it coming from Joran? I don't think so....Will we know exactly the scenario that led to Stephany's demise? Forensics, testimony, surveillance will be our best bet determining the truth, not Joran.

So many posters stating that they hope the worst for Joran in prison. If my family were directly victimized, I would probably agree - no, I would agree. But standing at a distance, I agree with the posters that no matter what monstrous actions he acted on, he is still flesh and blood as we are. We demand that our prisons and jails treat the inmates as human beings. How many of us have known folks that have been jailed for DUI, drugs, domestic violence or whatever? Don't we still demand these people be treated as human beings? It's common knowledge that here in the US the prisons are the dumping ground for the mentally insane. Are Peru's prisons any different? Joran's fate is not in our hands. I do not wish Peru's prisons to be his hell...nor hell for any of the imprisoned there. Judgement for all will come later.

Sleuth on....

Very well said! With all the talk about the conditions there in Peru, it wouldn't surprise me if the next thing we hear is that some international organization (like Amnesty International) is getting involved.

 

[jjenny]

interesting...the last paragraph said that the house where JVS said NH's body was.... was not built at the time she went missing... then later admitted that he lied... well what if she is buried UNDER the foundation of that home... which is why "she would never be found"

His story was that she was buried under the foundation of the house. But the house wasn't under construction in 2005.
""Van der Sloot then told the cooperating witness that van der Sloot's father, Paulus van der Sloot, had disposed of Natalee's body by burying her remains in the gravel under the foundation of the single story house," read the court documents. The senior van der Sloot died last year."
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Media/van...ays-mom-lied-remains/story?id=10874347&page=2

 

[suzihawk]

Yupper, they wanted to wire some of the money so they could charge him with "wire fraud". They weren't going to charge him with the $10,000.00, initially, and that was one of the reason they sat back until they wired the money.

The Alabama Attorney General indicated that they didn't have enough evidence to move forward with the $10,000.00.

We have to take FBI out and put in US Attorney General.

The 10 grand was in cash. Although they have him on tape counting it out, I'm guessing they felt they would have more hard core proof by wiring the 15 grand directly into his account. Maybe the cash was to give him a false sense of security in order to reel him in? Maybe I watch too much TV. :crazy:

 

[Kimmer]

I would sure like to know the conversation that SF Father had with JVS today, could it be possible that he told JVS you may as well come clean on the NH case and tell that poor mother where her child's body lays, go ahead clear you conscious, could that have been because this Father knows that JVS will not probably make in long in the Peru Prision...This may have had time today to sink in with JVS and so he decided to tell his Defense Attorney that he is ready to come clean....We can only pray that something like this happens...

 

[RR0004]

Joran Charged with Murder!


http://translate.google.com/transla..._hel_van_Lima__.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

It still talks about having 24 hours to file a complaint. (If I'm reading that correctly.)